Hello,
I'm looking for any information regarding Juan de Salas and Getrudis de Avila. The only thing that I know is that the mother of Gertrudis de Avila was Cecilia de Arzola. I don't know anything about Juan de Salas.
Any information would be greatly appreciated
saludos
sus L
Hello,
I found a tree for the family of Francisco Prieto Gallardo and Isabel Anda de Altamirando that included a marriage of their daugther Ana (maybe Mariana) with Jose Vargas.
I would appreciated if you have any information regarding this line
Here is the link for the tree in question
https://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=en&n=martinez+gallardo+castilla&oc…
thank you
sus
I recently posted (at least I think I did) some information on the Ortiz de San Pedro and the Lopez de Ayala. I might not have been very clear at that moment so I tried to clarify what I first posted:
I believe the confusion arises out of Romero de Solis, author of “Andariegos y Pobladores”, mistanking Pedro de Arevalo, son of Alonso de Arevalo and Beatriz Lopez de Ayala, with Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro, son of Juan (Ortiz) de San Pedro and Catalina Lopez (de Ayala). There is no reason why a son of the first couple would bear the last name "Ortiz de San Pedro”.
The reason he makes the mistake is that (1) Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro (whom Romero de Solis sometimes incorrectly refers to as "Pedro de Arevalo") had a brother named Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala (this Gonzalo, whom Romero de Solís refers to as "el Mozo", takes the name from his mother, Catalina Lopez "de Ayala"), and (2) Beatriz Lopez de Ayala had a son with the same name (whom Romero de Solis refers to as Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala "the elder"). Certain document Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala el Mozo refers Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala el Mozo as brother of Pero Ortiz: "según declaración de Marcos de Cárdenas, moreno libre, mayor de 40 años de edad, hallándose en casa de Diego de Monroy, hará 3 meses, al tiempo que falleció Pedro de Bobadilla, Pero Ortiz, hermano de Gonzalo López, le pidió al mercader Diego de Monroy, de su tienda, ciertas varas de bayeta y cierto tafetán, y otras cosas, que dijo eran para Gonzalo López, …", and (3) Romero de Solis assumes this Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala el Mozo the Gonzalo Lopez de Ayaña Elder, and that Pero Ortiz is his brother who indistinctly bears the name Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro or Pedro de Arevalo.
Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala el Mozo, is the one who married Juliana de Bobadilla. Jeronimo Ortiz was another brother.
I believe that Catalina Lopez (de Ayala) and Beatriz Lopez were sisters (not only because they share the family name, but because Beatriz carried on business transactions with Juan de San Pedro, who lived in Zacatecas, and, at one point, knowing that Juan had financial troubles, she even gave him extra time to pay for what he owed her). Diego Lopez de Ayala, married in 1561 to Juana Fernandez, might have been their brother (and not Pedro de Arevalo´s brother and, therefore, Beatriz's son, as Romero de Solis states, because the couple married in 1537, first child was born in 1538, the second in 1540. This Diego was granted a power of attorney by Beatriz Lopez en 1651 and no man would’ve been granted a power of attorney at age 10, assuming this Diego had been born in 1641).
In conclusion:
Catalina Lopez married Juan de San Pedro and had 3 sons, most likely born in Zacatecas: 1. Pero (Pedro) Ortiz de San Pedro, married to Maria de Esquivel and lived in Colima, Jerez and most probably in Tlaltenango. They had a daughter Cecilia “Lopez de Ayala”; 2. Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala (whom she names after her deceased brother), married to Juliana de Bobadilla and lived in Colima and Tlaltenango (where the Bobadillas were from); and 3. Jeronimo Ortiz, to whom there are references in Jerez.
Beatriz Lopez first married Alonso de Arevalo and had 2 sons: Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala and Pedro de Arevalo. Gonzalo died before her mother. Pedro is always referred to by Beatriz as "Pedro de Arevalo", not as "Pero Ortiz de San Pedro" (“... Iten digo que si pareciere yo deber alguna cosa a Alonso Miguel, que averiguado e liquidado lo que fuere, se lo pague Pedro de Arévalo, mi hijo. Iten … - “para hacer y cumplir mi ánima, digo que, si mi hijo Pedro de Arévalo lo quisiere tomar a su cargo, que no se haga almoneda dellos, ni justicia ni otra persona alguna se entremeta en ello, porque ésta es mi voluntad y ansí se lo encomiendo y le ruego que lo haga conmigo como Dios lo haga con él” - "El 10 de febrero, Pedro de Arévalo, hijo y albacea de doña Beatriz López de Ayala, y el muy reverendo …"). It seems neither of them married or had children.
I do not know anything about Maria de Esquivel, our Pedro's wife.
Regards,
Hector
A few months ago I discovered on Family Search a civil death record from Mexico that I used to establish a relative's death. Same date of birth reflected on his baptism record, same parents, and the name of one of his (many) wives as "conyuge." It showed his death in Mexico, at a home in the town of his birth, along with the name and license number for the attending physician, and the physician's address.
Yesterday, however, I was told that the ancestor had actually died and was buried in Southern California.
I was shown a Social Security Death Registry entry that had a date of birth which had been used as an alternate in many instances by this relative (4 years earlier than his baptism record). The date of death was 4 years prior to the date on the Mexican record.
My first thought was that we had two individuals, born years apart, given the same name by their parents. I've had that occur before in my tree. But this individual has a somewhat historic profile. He and his family have been written about extensively, and there is no mention of a second child with the same name.
In the past I have seen Civil Registrations for deaths that occurred in the US when the body was returned to Mexico for interment, but there is no mention of that in this case.
Any ideas on what may have occurred?
Annette Avila Nunez
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Hello Everyone,
Does anyone know where I can find a list of soldiers that we're in Aguascalientes around 1912?
Thank you,
Sofia
Hola a Todos,
¿Alguien sabe dónde puedo encontrar una lista de soldados que están en Aguascalientes en 1912?
Gracias.
Sofia
Greetings To All,
I have been working on my family tree for several years now and have run into a block around Toribio Sanches Hernandez de Hijar y Arellano Ramirez. What I have gleaned from undocumented sources is that he was born in about 1530 in Spain, but nothing else. AS much as possible I try to document my sources when I learn about my ancestors and I am having a difficult time finding anything on Toribio. If anyone has any information that they can share about him, I would greatly appreciate reading it. BRitchlely
So I learned the man I am researching changed his name. Although that could have been done for a myriad of reasons, the family story is that he murdered someone in Zacatecas in the early 1900s. The man even changed his name, from Epifanio Alvarez to Pedro Alvarado.
The question is, how do I go about researching criminal records in that state?
I realize that unless I have the name of the victim, or unless I get lucky with an arrest or court hearing record of the original name of my subject on it, my chances are nil.
Otherwise I need to ponder other reasons for the name change...not uncommon when someone comes to a new country. Thanks.
Joan (Juan) Angon sailed from Espana to Nuevo Espana on 1606-6-28
So I had the idea of inputting that date on the Pars website and then when the list of people came up, I filtered it on the left "archivo de indias," and I get the list of people that sailed on that date.
http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest
So I see list of people that sailed in the fleet of ships with Joan Angon. The first page of the pasajero at very top has the name of the ship starting out as "Nao (name of ship)."
I also did a search for "flota 1606" filtered by "archivo de indias" and get this list of ships:
Por el General Lope Diez De Armendariz::
“El Espiritu Santo” Maestre Esteban Falero
''La Magdalena de San Vicente'' Maestre Alonso Ramos
''Nuestra Señora de la Cinta'' Maestre Diego Franco
''Nuestra Señora de La Esperanza'' Maestre Juan De Medina
''Nuestra Señora de Loreto'' Maestre Gentil Basilio
''San Juan Bautista'' Maestre Juan De Argumedo
''San Miguel'' Maestre Domingo De Eguibar
''San Sebastián'' Maestre Luis Cestin
Joan Angon was most like the grandfather of my 11th generation grandmother "Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico. Who was married to my 11th generation grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico.
Joan Angon shows up in a Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico census of 1648 as "viudo."
Supposedly he had a son name "Esteban Angon" where they lived at "Rancho De Joan De Angon" that is somewhere near Xerez, Zacatecas, Mexico and there is a whole archive in the familysearch.org as "Cofradia 1632 - 1700" of the pueblo of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.
There was a Cofradia at the rancho of Joan de Angon where there would be yearly elections of the oficiales of the Cofradia. The Obispo of Guadalajara Juan Colomenero had visited the Cofradia of Joan de Angon in 1648 on page 14. I believe the name of the Cofradia was Cofradia de La Limpia Concepcion that was founded in the rancho of Joan Angon as it is stated on page 12. On page 21 it clearly gives the name of the Cofradia. On page 22 it gives the name of a Capitan of Mezquitic.
Por cuanto la genealogía de los Dávalos Bracamonte ha sido controversial y confusa me parece importante intentar esclarecerla. Incluso se ha acusado repetidamente que el primer Conde de Miravalle, D. Alonso Dávalos Bracamonte falsificó su ascendencia. También su nombre ha sido confundido. Por esto mismo me di a la tarea de buscar entre los documentos originales evidencia que ayude a esclarecer no sólo la línea ancestral de los Dávalos Bracamonte, sino también a los primeros dos condes cuyos nombres a veces se usan intercambiablemente. Parte del problema, como lo es en muchas familias novohispanas del siglo XVI y XVII es el uso de los patronímicos y de los parientes homónimos. Esta line me es importante pues los Guzmán de Tecolotlán y Autlán están emparentados con la línea condal.
Una de las reglas primordiales de la historia y de la genealogía es usar documentos primarios como sustento para las aserciones y dudar de documentos secundarios a menos de que estén sustentados en los primarios. Es entonces as los documentos primarios donde he pasado el mayor tiempo, pero también he consultado cuidadosamente varias obras secundarias que han sido reputadas. El documento primario principal en el que me he basado es el “Expedientes de concesión del título de caballero de la orden de Santiago” de D. Alonso Dávalos Bracamonte, primer Conde de Miravalle. Dicho Expediente se encuentra en el Archivo Histórico Nacional de España, Ordenes Militares, OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO, Exp.2369 , actualmente digitalizado en PARES: http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx… A veces el link no funciona, pero si se busca a “Alonso Davalos Bracamonte” en la búsqueda sencilla es el primer documento. Entre las obras secundarias que consulté están “Los Conquistadores Fernández de Híjar y Bracamonte” de Jesús Amaya Topeta, “Compostela de Indias” de Salvador Gutiérrez Contreras, “Los Americanos en la Ordenes Nobiliarias, Tomo I” de Guillermo Lohman Villena y finalmente “Guadalajara Granadera” de Ramón María Serrera.
El primer punto que quiero hacer es de una vez por todas aclarar que el apellido “de Ávalos” del sigo XVI se transformó para finales del siglo XVII en de “Dávalos.” Como evidencia no sólo está el uso del apellido del Conde, sino la evidencia de varios testigos en Monbeltrán que atestiguaron en el expediente de D. Alonso. En el Expediente mismo los examinadores se percataron de la variedad del apellido e interrogaron testigos en Monbeltrán de porqué se usaba el “de Avalos” o “Dávalos” y porqué Alonso Díaz de Ávalos (tatarabuelo del Conde) usó el “Díaz de Ávalos” mientras su hijo (bisabuelo del conde) usó el de “Dávalos Saabedra” (imagen 167). Cuatro testigos distintos dijeron que era un mismo apellido y la diferencia era por “los patronímicos.” Es pues claro que el apellido Dávalos o de Ávalos son intercambiables en esta familia y en esta época y que los patronímicos Díaz y Saavedra son parte de la misma familia. Ahora, en términos del nombre del primer conde, es claro por el expediente que el nombre del primer conde fue Alonso Dávalos Bracamonte, pero que sus ancestros fueron apellidados “de Ávalos,” imagen 5, http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/1341108
Hello,
I am researching a family that lived in Zacatecas, Zacatecas at the end of 1600's, maybe until beginning of 1700's (from there the family emigrated to Mazapil). Because of the missing years of baptismal records and marriages for this location, I was wondering if anyone knows a name of a book with a census/ padron for these years. Any book with information about the families living in zacatecas, zacatecas during these years.
Maybe The name of a book that is essential for the research in zacatecas, zacatecas?
I already looked in dispensas matrimoniales without any luck. Does anyone know a way to research in this area for those years?? Any ideas??
I’m completely stuck
thanks
sus
Hello everyone!
I need some help reading where the bride and groom are from (Manuel Flores)
Thank you in advance!!
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRWZ-86?i=238&wc=3J62-FM9%3A173569901%2C173569902%2C175379901%3Fcc%3D1874591&cc=1874591
Does anyone have Mariano Olmos in there tree? If so...I've been trying for months to figure out who Mercedes Saldivar's parents are. I THOUGHT she may have come from the Duran's, but not sure. My GEDmatch number is KK6796917, my Father's is LM2514076, my Father is an Aguilar Saldivar, my Paternal Great Grandfather was Higinio Saldivar Macias (under Zaldivar or Saldivar Macias in documents), he was married to my Great Grandma Luciana Navarro Huizar, his Father was Atanasio Saldivar Duran who married MA del Refugio Macias. Then my 3rd GG was Esteban Saldivar Esqueda with Bacilia Duran, and the family goes on from there. I know Mercedes married Mariano S. Olmos who was also married to Maria Luevano...but I can't figure out who Mercedes' parents are...anyone know? I've searched everywhere! The baptismal records, the marriage records, and no luck.
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
could someone tell me what the last name of the mothers of Gertrudis de
Udave and Cristobal de Chaves are?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SS3-F4?i=66&wc=3JFF-929%3…
Danny C. Alonso
Hi all, thanks to George Fulton I was able to extend my tree a couple generations more, I want to ask if anyone has info on these
Eugenio Lozano was son of Jose Lozano and Petronila Gonzalez aka Petrona de Macias y Valades, aka Petronila de Retamosa. What puzzles me is how did Petronila use Macias, Gonzalez and Retamosa, Her ancestor was prob the famous Retamosa matriarch.I found their marriage in Teocaltiche 23 feb 1666. Havent been able to order it, wonder if anyone has Teocalitche films or has these records. On the other side Maria Duron (Duran) daughter of Jose Andres Duran and Juana Asencion Vasquez y Sandoval. Andres is son of Juan Simon Duran and Regina de Aguayo. Does anyone have info on these Nochistlan Families? Aguayo, Duran, Vasquez and Sandoval. Thanks, Daniel
Hola primos, estoy buscando el testamento de Luis Fletes que murió el 11 de mayo de 1796 en Juchitlán Jalisco. La acta de defunción indica que había hecho su testamento. ¿Dónde se encontrarían los testamentos? Estoy buscando en los archivos de Family search sin suerte.
gracias
Jesus Fletes
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-593L-7?i=239&wc=3JX6-B…
Estimados señores:
En mis estudios sobre el condado de Miravalle me fijé que la familia Dávalos y Bracamontes que posteriormente enlazaron con la familia Trebuesto y Dávalos son descendientes de los Híjar Bracamonte de la Nueva Galicia.
Tengo al primer conde de Miravalle, Alonso o Ildefonso de Ávalos y Bracamontes e Híjar quien sospecho pero no he comprobado hijo de Alonso de Híjar y Bracamonte; y Catalina de Híjar Orendáin y Espinosa de los Monteros quien seguramente es su consanguínea, dichas familias tuvieron sus solares y principios en la Nueva Galicia.
He encontrado varios fuentes, incluyo la obra Las familias más antiguas de México de Ortega y Pérez-Gallardo en la pág. 167 donde menciona en sus anotaciones que “Eran descendientes de don Alvaro de Bracamontes y de doña Francisca Arias, su esposa; siendo ésta doña Francisca una de las hijas de doña Leonor Arias y del capitán Pedro Ruiz de Haro, conquistador y poblador del estado de Jalisco y de la nobilísima famiia de Guzmán.”
Regreso al primer conde, Dávalos y Bracamontes, no sé porque cambio DE ÁVALOS y posteriormente eran Dávalos y Bracamontes, pero este apellido fue componido cuando contrajo matrimonio los señores Juan de Ávalos y Juana de Hijar Bracamontes a los principios del siglo XVII, quienes establecion su familia en la Guadalajara.
Les pregunto si alguien tiene más información a cuanto la filación de los Dávalos Bracamontes de la ciudad de México con los Avalos Bracamontes de Guadalajara?
Como siempre gracias antemano,
Daniel Méndez-Camino
Awhile back someone posted a link to "Mexican ranches."
I cannot remember if it was for the country of Mexico or for selected states & or towns.
Does anyone have any recommendations as to where to find such maps?
Gracias.
Marty
Hello,
I'm looking for information on Juana Sanchez de Lara wife of Bernardo de Castro y Olmos. According with Mariano Leal (Retonos tomo VII), she was the daughter of Francisco Sanchez de Lara and Maria de Alvarado, unfortunately the author doesn't offer a source to be able to confirm this link. Juana was born between 1620-1640 likely in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.
Any information would be greatly appreciated
thanks
susana L
Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I encountered when I first started researching.
I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died in 1688.
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I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book, Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas, "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
Ed
While reading through entries in Jalisco, 1700-1750's, mostly from Jocotepec, I came across references to individuals who were indios tepostli / telpostle / tepustli, a word new to me. I assume they were nahua people? Can anyone on the forum tell me the correct designation, or share any information about them with us? Thank you.
Gloria Delgado
Hello, this is my 1st post. Does anyone know or have any Ramos surnames from Mascota, Jalisco in their lines? My 3rd Great Grandfather was Sebastian Ramos who married Maria Nabor Orosco from Arandas. Sebastian's father was Cristobol Ramos who was married to Maria Cenobia Tobar from San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato. I cannot locate anything past Cristobol Ramos. I am estimating his birth to be around 1805.
Buena dia,
Jorge Barba Gomez, autor del libro "Con el nombre...de la Barba", sacara pronto su segunda edición del dicho libro, en el presentara su hipótesis fundada anteriormente en la primera edición sobre quienes fueron los probables padres y abuelos de Francisco Muñoz de la Barba el genearca de este apellido compuesto, esta vez acompañada de mas datos que la reforzaran y que en mi opinion, resulta muy interesante y muy posible.
Les anexo, el documento que me envió para distribuirlo entre la comunidad. esperando que les sirva y poder compartir comentarios.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UZMdAxT31hiv0aCcGPYB26zG5bWxyALR
Saludos.
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
I'm trying to see if anyone has any information on capitan Melchor de
Richarte and María Tomasa de Guzmán y Prado. They both would've been born
probably in the 1680s. and they were married Jan 20th 1723. Their marriage
record and informacion matrimonial both do not name the parents. Does
anyone know anything about them?
Danny C. Alonso
Soy descendiente de Alonso Velasco y de Ana Flores de la Torre, los dos residentes en Juchipila. Alonso Velasco heredó a su hijo, Bernabe Velasco, tierras en el lugar que era en aquel entonces llamado Valle de Huejucar/Huejucar/Guajucar/Guejucar y que ahora se le llama Calvillo en el Estado de Aguascalientes. Me interesa mucho encontrar el testamento de Bernabe Velasco y los testamentos de sus herederos también. He consultado el acervo histórico digital de Aguascalientes y no hay información sobre Bernabe Velasco. Podría alguien orientarme sobre el lugar en donde probablemente podría encontrar la información que necesito?
Hola prim@s,
I was reading through the IM of Geronimo Magdaleno and Rosa de Figueroa San Anton, 4 Oct 1690, Tangancicuaro, Mich. Geronimo Magdaleno was son of Tomas Magdaleno and Juana Chavez, and Rosa de Figueroa was daughter of Joseph Figueroa San Anton and Juana de Torres.
According to testimonies, there was concern that there might be an impediment: that Tomas Magdaleno and Joseph de Figueroa, fathers of the groom and bride, were cousins. Joseph Figueroa had told Geronimo Magdaleno that his father was the sibling of the great-grandfather of Tomas Magdaleno. Tomas Magdaleno was son of Diego Magdaleno cc Lorenza de Ovalle Liebana, and Joseph de Figueroa was son of Pedro de San Anton Figueroa cc Geronima de Liebana, so the relationship was probably through Lorenza and Geronima. Several witnesses were brought in, but no one knew what the exact relationship was, only that they always called each other “primo” and treated each other as such. In the end, it was decided that the relationship was too distant, and that a dispensa wasn’t necessary.
But of super interest, are the witnesses that Tomas Magdaleno presents: Tomas de Bejar 60, Juan de Bejar 58, and Francisco de Bejar 54. All three recognize that they are primos hermanos of Tomas Magdaleno. The Bejar boys were sons of Gregorio de Bejar y Sandoval and Maria de Liebana. The relationship is obviously through Lorenza de Ovalle Liebana and Maria de Liebana, establishing them as sisters.
From various dispensations, we know that Maria de Liebana was sister of (please correct me if I’m wrong):
- Agustin Maciel cc Ynes Rodriguez de Morfin
- Juan Asencio de Leon cc Maria de Lomelin
When her son, Gregorio de Bejar, was witness on the IM of Francisco Gomez de Lara and Juana de Liebana, daughter of Alvaro Maciel cc Ysabel de Orozco, he said that he was primo hermano de Juana, and that that Alvaro Maciel was his uncle. Alvaro Maciel was the son of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana.
All of this would imply that Lorenza de Oballe y Liebana cc Diego Magdaleno was also a daughter of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana.
As it stands, and please correct me if I’m wrong, the children of Juan Asencio de Leon cc Geronima de Liebana are:
- Agustin Maciel cc Ynes Rodriguez de Morfin
- Nicolas Maciel cc Geronima de Ayala y de la Cueva (possibly Beatriz de Vargas y Ulloa en 2o?)
- Lorenza de Oballe Liebana cc Diego Magdaleno
- Alvaro Maciel cc Ysabel de Orozco y Zamora y del Castillo
- Maria de Liebana cc Gregorio de Bejar y Sandoval
- Juan Asencio de Leon cc Maria de Lomelin
- Geronima de Liebana cc Tomas Hernandez Gamiño
- Josepha Asencio de Leon cc Joseph Tello y Orozco
- Anna de Liebana cc Nicolas de Murguia
- Nicolasa de Liebana cc Juan Basilio Ruiz de Velasco
- Pedro Asencio de Leon Blancarte cc Anna de Zamora y Ontiveros
Some of that is from baptism and marriage records, as well as from dispensas for descendants. That’s a lot of children, and covering almost 3 decades, from what I can tell from their individual timelines and known baptism dates!
And now, from the Geronimo Magdaleno cc Rosa de Figueroa IM, we know that Geronima de Liebana cc Juan Asencio de Leon is somehow related to Geronima de Liebana cc Pedro de San Anton Figueroa, who from other records, we know is sister of Maria de Liebana aka Maria de Tapia cc Antonio Jimenez Calderon (my guess is these two are daughters of Juan de Tapia and Geronima de Liebana. Anybody?). According to Joseph Figueroa, the relationship would more or less look like this:
???????????????-1-Geronima de Liebana
Geronima de Liebana-2-Joseph de Figueroa
Lorenza de Oballe-3-Rosa Maria de Figueroa
Tomas Magdaleno-4
Geronimo Magdaleno-5
Possibly, Juan de Tapia and Geronima de Liebana are the tronco of that tree. Anybody?
My brain hurts.
Manny Díez Hermosillo
PS The Geronimo Magdaleno cc Rosa de Figueroa is scattered throughout the film roll, but it’s mapped out on the Valladolid Dispensas website (which I didn’t discover until later!! But great work, y’all!).