Oral History is welcome in the nuestrosranchos.org group. Many of the
valuable pieces of my family's genealogical information were verified as
a result on following leads gained from tidbits of stories or accounts
of family folklore. However I think we should all, as adults, keep a
tight check on our senses and realize that Oral History is something
that is subject to verification and should not be posted as fact. I do
not want any messages sent by a few people to discourage anyone from the
group from sharing their oral history as long as they understand that it
is, "Oral History."
La Historia Oral esta bienvenida en el grupo nuestrosranchos.org Muchos
de los pedazos valiosos de la información genealógica de mi familia
fueron verificados de resulto de primero estar ganados de cuentas del
folklore de familia. Sin embargo pienso que deberíamos todos, como
adultos, guardar un control apretado en nuestros sentidos y realizar que
la Historia Oral es algo que es sujeto a la verificación y no debería
ser fijado como el hecho. No quiero que ningún mensaje enviado por unas
personas desaliente a alguien del grupo de compartir su historia oral
mientras ellos entienden que es, "Historia Oral."
joseph
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Joseph Puentes:
Me parece muy acertado tu comentario, ya que e ocasiones la historia oral, contiene algunos recovecos que se ocultan o simplemente esta en relación al interes que se le de, y tambien por otro lado sabemos que la mayoria de consejas, relatos o por que no decirlo verdades a medias son las que nos han mantenido inmersos en el interes por encontrar la verdad en los hechos y acontecimientos.
No dudo que muchas platicas que nos decian nuestros abuelos contengan cierta base para de ahi iniciar alguna investigación, y lo digo en mi caso que aunque soy principante en la genealogia; me sirvio de mucho el saber minimo a mis bisabuelos, y caso curioso en algunos casos no conocian su edad real, y tambien el nombre no les gustaba o si tenian 2 nombre solo manejaban uno solo y esto se daba tambien en documentos oficiales, y le dare un dato,: mi bisabuelo era conocido unicamente como Juan, y resulta que ni sus hijos sabian que el nombre completo era Juan de Dios, ¿ Que
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For a long time I have been accessing the Colmex website to browse and
search
Diccionario Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos
by García Cubas, Antonio, 1832-1912
But for two weeks now this publication has been unavailable on this
website. I don't understand Spanish very well, so I cannot tell if it
is discontinued, broken, changed, or requires a special subscription.
The address was
http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
I was afraid this would eventually happen. I would like to get my
hands on a hard copy or downloadable copy of this extremely valuable
resource. It is 5 volumes and I would pay good money for a set. But I
have been unable to find it except volume 5 only is offered for sale
on one website.
Can anyone help?
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
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Yes, I agree with everyone here that oral history should never be discounted nor discouraged. My post started as a comment in response to a claim that has long been disproved, and I digressed to share my personal opinion on another matter. My apologies if I came off as uncouth or unfriendly.
Personally I take folklore solely as a "lead" that should be followed upon diligently. For example, my uncle was told that Reynoso and Reynolds share the same surname root. If this is so, then I am related to Burt Reynolds!
I get now that NuestrosRanchos is not a place to share personal opinions or views on sensitive matters.
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This past weekend, I spent a glorious encounter with relatives...relatives
that I have not had the pleasure of asking questions before.
Realizing that my discovery is not directly related to the "ranchos" group
of interest... I hesitated in sharing...
But seeing how "ranchos" is the theme...have you ever heard of underground
passages linked from one area (usually churches) to another.?
I had heard this to be true, especially as relates to the Indian raids and
Pancho Villa's visits...but now, there were more than one person(s) that
authenticated these stories...at least to having seen or walked in these tunnels.
Esperanza from chicagoland area
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Esperanza,
I lived in San Luis Potosí for about 13 years. There, I went to High School and graduated from the university. One of my classes was "Historia de México." My final project consisted of documenting the cultural aspect of the several colonial constructions in the City. I went to various Churches documenting paintings, sculptures and construction styles of several buildings. One of the more interesting churches I found was la Iglesia de San Francisco en la Plaza Aranzazú. Inside the church there is a gate which is usually locked that leads somewhere downstairs. On one rare opportunity I found that this gate was unlocked and coincidently I was gathering info for my final project so I decided take a quick peek down those stairs. Needless to say that I was terrified while walking down those dark stairs and almost lost control of my bowels, I found some interesting things down there. To make a long story short, the stairs led to a crypt. What caught my attention was that there
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I'd like to share some oral history that relates to the Cristero Revolution.
My great-grandfather Heladio Robledo Montante was born in San Luis Potosi
in 1880. The Robledo side seems to be from San Luis Potosi for a number of
generations, but more on that later. The Montante family moved back and
forth between there and Mexico City. According to my grandfather they were
newspaper and magazine publishers and operated jewelry stores. He told a
story that when he was five years old ( 1908) his father took him to stay at
his grandfathers hacienda. I don't know which family. He said it took three
days to travel around it on horseback and there were native villages up in
the mountains on it.
My grandfather had light skin and blond hair as a child, his mother
being Scottish-English, but raised in Mexico, where her father worked for
the Mexican National Railroad. While traveling through a remote part of the
mountains, their party was passed by group of native people his grandfather
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Greetings from Lockhart: Many years ago I read a book (author unknown, dont remember the title) about a woman from San Luis Potosi to whom those from San Luis Potosi resettling in San Antonio Texas would come to for assistance. The book tells about a particular family, their social lives, their flee from San Luis Potosi, and their struggle to readjust in San Antonio, Texas. Your post reminded me of my own grandfather and his immediate family leaving Matehula SLP about 1919. My grandfather, Pedro Alvarado, also worked for the KATY railroad and is in the 1920 census as an employee. He recalled having worked along side Pancho Villa's men in Kansas and in the deep snow. Thanks for sharing your oral history - Anita
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Hi Anita ,
Do you by any chance know if your Alvarados went to Coahuila or Nuevo Leon during the late 1700s or early 1800s ?
Welester G. Alvarado
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Greetings from Lockhart: They started their move around 1900. Some settled in Bustamante NL and Villadame NL, Monterey NL, Nava Coah, and Nuevo Laredo. In research I found another Alvarado family living in NL and would need to do some digging to find those notes. My Alvarado family consisted of parents Doroteo Alvarado and Anastasia Galvan . Their children were Maria Zeferina, Jose Anastasio, Teofila, Martin, Pedro, Juan, Jose Tomas, Benjino, Celectina, Francisco and Gomecinda. I also found a WWI registration, which I have since lost due to my inactive Ancestry.com account, for another Tomas Alvarado from NL. Let me know if anything sounds familar. Anita
--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Lester Alvarado wrote:
> From: Lester Alvarado
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alvarados' - Anita
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 5:43 PM
> Hi Anita ,
>
> Do you by any chance know if your Alvarados went to
> Coahuila or Nuevo Leon during the late 1700s or early
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Hi Anita ,
So far nothing sounds right , here is what I have on mine :
Candelario Alvarado married for the first time that I know of to a Marica Concepcion Garcia in Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leon in the year of 1833 .
Ten years later he marries Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez also in Santiago in the year 1844 .
Candelario is my Great great Grandfather . I don't have his confirmed birth date or his parents names .
In the book by Hector Barbosa of the marriages of Santiago he is listed without parents on his marriages . This usually means that he was a widow so, he may have been married once before he married Ma. Concepcion Garcia .
Another theory is that he came from Saltillo , Coahuila via Galeana Nuevo Leon . In those early days people crossed the mountains from Saltillo over to Santiago .
Galeana is at the lower tip of Nuevo Leon and butts up to San Luis Potosi . I know that there are quite a few Alvarados' from SLP .
People came up north to Coahuila using the RUTA
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Hola Anita,
Unfortunately none of your Alvarados' at present connect to mine .
My info starts at 1833 with my Great great Grandfather Candelario Alvarado . I don't know who his parents were so I don't have his second last name .
What I have is that he was married twice in Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leon and sadly not much more .
Maybe in the future some of yours will connect to mine . I'll just have to keep on digging .
Thanx ,
Welester
> Greetings from Lockhart: They started their move around 1900. Some settled in Bustamante NL and Villadame NL, Monterey NL, Nava Coah, and Nuevo Laredo. In research I found another Alvarado family living in NL and would need to do some digging to find those notes. My Alvarado family consisted of parents Doroteo Alvarado and Anastasia Galvan . Their children were Maria Zeferina, Jose Anastasio, Teofila, Martin, Pedro, Juan, Jose Tomas, Benjino, Celectina, Francisco and Gomecinda. I also found a WWI registration, which I have since
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Esperanza,
Interesting that you should mention this! When my grandfather visited last month he happened to mention a cave near Moyahua, Zacatecas. While not exactly an underground passage, he told me that (according to family members)--during the Revolution and Cristero Wars, some of his relatives hid their valuables in that cave. They even went as far as hiding their teenage girls lest they be taken by the bandidos--which apparently did happen, unfortunately.
He mentioned a tunnel as well, but that tunnel-like passage under a water stream--he says--wasn't very long. He remembers playing in it when he was a kid. I can ask the name of the cave and zone/area if anyone is interested.
Esperanza: To find your answer, you must study the history of the town(s) in question during those periods, as well as the specific groups involved (indian tribe/settlers).
A resource for Church stories published during the Revolution is a publication titled Catholic World, they may have written
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I have heard about it but have no idea if it is true or not and have never investigated it.
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Oral History Welcome in nuestrosranchos.org
This past weekend, I spent a glorious encounter with relatives...relatives
that I have not had the pleasure of asking questions before.
Realizing that my discovery is not directly related to the "ranchos" group
of interest... I hesitated in sharing...
But seeing how "ranchos" is the theme...have you ever heard of underground
passages linked from one area (usually churches) to another.?
I had heard this to be true, especially as relates to the Indian raids and
Pancho Villa's visits...but now, there were more than one person(s) that
authenticated these stories...at least to having seen or walked in these tunnels.
Esperanza from chicagoland area
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Yo are so right Joseph, oral history is so important for our search, it will support our mission for us, the ones that take this investigation as a mission; sometimes I imagine my self as a night, armour and all, when I want to corroborate some of my family "cuentos", stories.
Oral history may contain matters that are unpleasant for some audiences, but then is the time for our criteria to be of good use and respectfully keep opinions for ourselves if nothing nice can be said.
In my last trip to my parents homeland I learned that my granpa, on my mother´s side stole some corn and that he regreated that action all the rest of his time, I felt his sorrow and shame: also his nephew Bartolo was a common bandido and killer, which is shamefull but instead I kind of admire him, and I know is for the way people use to tell this familiar stories, like he was a hero.
I remember so warmly, gone with the television times, when my mother use to tell stories after supper, mostly about ghosts
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