Hello My name is Erica I am trying to find any information on the following individuals if anyone has more information I would greatly appreciate it! If not I hope this information helps you. I do have more information on other siblings/children but I am still sorting through it to check it's accuracy this is just a direct line of my lineage.
*Information has been provided by my Father and Grandfather and the LDS church website new.familysearch.org
1. Diego Romo
Birth: about 1560 ?
Marriage: Catalina Perez
Fathered: 2. Diego Romo De Vivar
Death: ? after 1589
2. Diego Romo De Vivar
Birth: 12 March 1589 Rielves,,Espana
Marriage: Maria Rangel (peguero)
Fathered: 3. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death: 19 June 1659 Aguascalientes Mexico
3. Diego Romo De Vivar
Birth: 1630 Mexico city mexico
Marriage: Luisa De Los Reyes Y Angeles
Fathered: 4.Nicolas Romo De Vivar
Death: unknown
4. Capitan Nicolas Romo De Vivar
Birth & Christening: 11 September 1656 in Aguascalientes, Mexico
Marriage: 12 February 1684 in Aguascalientes, Mexico to Maria Villalobos
Fathered: 5. Jose Andres Romo De Vivar
Death: 8 December 1714
5. Jose Andres Romo De Vivar
Birth: Aguascalientes, Mexico
Christening: 25 April 1709 Aguascalientes, Mexico
Marriage: 7 March 1734 Pabellon, Aguascalientes, Mexico to Maria Margarita Martinez De Sotomayer
Fathered: 6. Jose Rufino Guadalupe Romo De Vivar
Death: unknown
6. Jose Rufino Guadalupe Romo De Vivar
Birth: 1746 Ricon de Ramos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Christening: 11 March 1753 Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Marriage: appears to be 2 different marriages 17 January 1781 and 14 February 1816 both in Aguascalientes Mexico Guadalupe Esparsa and Maria Antonia Esparza
Fathered: 7. Francisco Romo De Vivar
Death: unknown
7. Francisco Romo De Vivar
Birth : unkown
Marriage: 7 June 1815 in Pabellon, Ricon De Romos, Aguascalientes, Mexico to Maria Margarita Guadalupe Oropeza Reyes
Fathered: 8. Jesus Romo
Death: unknown
8.Jesus Romo
Birth: not sure
Christening: 17 September 1822 Ricon de Romos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Marriage: 9 November 1853 in Aguascalientes to Magdalena (Maria Martas) Olivares
Fathered: 9. Luis Romo
Death: after 1873
9. Luis Romo
Born 25 August 1862 in Ricon De Romos Aguascalientes Mexico
Christened 31 August 1862 in Ricon de Romos Aguascalientes Mexico
Married to Eulogia Sandoval
Fathered: 10. Eligio Romo
Death: unknown
10. Eligio Romo
Birth: 21 December 1891 in Mexico.
Immigrated: To US to escape Poncho Villas draft. He worked for the railroad Marriage: Elvira Moran.
Fathered: 11. Esther Romo
Death: 1975 Placentia Orange Co. California
11.Ester Romo
Birth: 3 October 1923 in San Bernardino California
Marriage: William Eugene Simmons
Death: 11 April 2000 in Ventura California
11. Esther Romo is my grandmother
Hello Erica,
I found some discrepancies in your Romo de Vivar line. Here is what I have
reconstructed from my files:
1. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: abt. 1562
Marriage: Catalina Pérez
Fathered: 2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1589
2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: 1589
Baptism: 12 Mar 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Spain
Marriage: Maria Rangel de Viezma y Rosales, aka María Rangel Peguero
Fathered: 3. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death Diego Romo: after 1658
Death María Rangel: 19 June 1659 in Aguascalientes México
3. Capitán Pedro Romo de Vivar
Birth: About 1634 Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 05 May 1658 Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza)
at Hda. de San Bartolomé, Aguascalientes, México
Fathered: 4. Nicolas Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1692
Death Lorenza de Tiscareño: 14 Feb 1692 Aguascalientes, México
4. Capitán Nicolás Romo De Vivar
Birth: about 1664 in Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 12 February 1684 in
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Hi Bill,
Wow Thank you so much! Thank you for filling in the blanks! I knew I knew Pedro's Wife lorenza Had to be a tiscareno because I have found several things stating that five children of Diego Romo de vivar married five children of the Tiscareno family. I was wondering where you got your information. This gives me alot more leads.
Some intresting info I have come across
it was a posting of a women named Connie Garcia Dominguez
a Book by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal, called "Estudio Historico-Genealogico sobre la Familia Guerra", discusses the arrival of the Romo de Vivar line to the Aguascalientes/Jalisco area. There's an appendix in this book on the Romo de Vivar family, where he delineates the lines extending from Diego Romo de Vivar - specifically, those of Diego's son Pedro.
With regard to this Diego, who married Maria Rangel, Gonzalez-Leal write that he was born in 1589 in Rielves, Espana, was a Captain who arrived in the north of Mexico & was at one time "Teniente de
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Hi Erica,
My information about the Romo de Vivar family comes from various sources including genealogy and history books, church and civil records and information posted online. Most of the church and civil records include baptisms, marriage dispensations, padrones parroquiales, final wills and testaments, land grants, land titles, deaths, burials, etc. etc. The Catholic Church has done an excellent job keeping records since the early 1600s. I occasionally use information posted online, but only as reference. Too many errors and misleading info. is posted every day, some of which has NOT been checked or verified against the actual sources. If not caught early, these errors can be devastating and cause many hours of hard work to go to waste. Life is too short to waste valuable time.
My research began a few years ago when I decided to find my Mexican roots. Pretty soon I found myself engaged in an all-out effort to find the genealogy of many early settlers of Aguascalientes and
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fortunately but unfortunately only one library comes up as owning the
book in the US. You can contact them at (210) 207-2500 or
http://www.sanantonio.gov/Library/ to see if they allow ILL on this book:
Libraries with Item: "Estudio histórico-genealó..."( Record for Item |
Get This Item )
Location Library Code
US,TX SAN ANTONIO PUB LIBR SAP
Title: Estudio histórico-genealógico sobre la familia Guerra de las
montañas de Asturias y Santander, ramas de la Nueva Galicia :
con un apéndice sobre la familia Romo de Vivar /
Author(s): González-Leal, Mariano.
Publication: Santa Fe de Guanajuato, [México] : [s.n.] : printer,
Universidad de Guanajuato,
Year: 1982
Description: 127 p. : ill. ; 21 cm.
Language: Spanish
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Spaniards -- Mexico -- Nueva Galicia -- Genealogy.
Españoles -- México -- Nueva Galicia -- Genealogía.
Named Person: Guerra family.
Romo de Vivar family.
Geographic: Nueva Galicia (Mexico) -- Genealogy
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Bill,
Thank you, I am confidant in your research I was just curious if you knew of any more leads.
I happen to be LDS So I know alot about the information there. You said you go to the FHC Have you registered on the new family search? If not you definatly should, That is where most of my information is from, My Mother in Law is in charge of the FHC In south Houston.
I would love to take a trip down into Mexico That must be really neat to actually see where your ancestors are from. As for the book, looks like Joseph took care of finding it I have not been able to physically get a hold of it but I am close enough to San Antonio that I would be able to make a trip there, When I do I will definatly see if I can either photo copy info or I will just take lots of notes.
Thank you again!
~Erica
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To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; Bill Figueroa
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:51:23 AM
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Erica,
Yes, I am registered to use the new Pilot FamilySearch site, but even though
I have found very useful information there, I have also found many errors.
Some involve entire batches of data, indicating that the person transcribing
the records was not paying attention and his/her data was not checked by
another person. As you know, it becomes very difficult to correct errors
once they get into the system. I also found out that it takes time to get a
response from Salt Lake City. A couple of months ago I sent a letter to the
LDS Library reporting some anomalies, but so far I have not heard a word
from them. The information I sent included photographs of actual records
plus other supporting documentation. The errors reported are for records
from Aguascalientes, already a large city by 1720, confused with records
from La Cieneguilla, a farming area some fifteen miles SW of Aguascalientes.
La Cieneguilla had a population of only a few hundred people and was owned
and operated by
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Hi Bill,
So true, so true...LDS has many errors, and there seems to be no way to
correct them. An example is the data they have on my great grand mother. I
had the information on one of my family trees in 1998, (do not know how it
became public) without verification, I did the verification in 2002 for all
my great grands, got it right, and it is still there......my errors are on
their site......
Thanks!
Phyls
PS...Is there any way to get my old, and I mean really old trees - dating
back to the late 90's off of Rootswebs.com? I have tried emailing them etc,
nothing seems to work, those old email addresses and erroneous data is still
there!
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From: "Bill Figueroa"
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes
Erica,
Yes, I am registered to use the new Pilot FamilySearch site, but even though
I have found very useful information there, I have also found many errors.
Some involve
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I have just made the connection to the Diego Romo de Vivar family of Aguascalientes. As part of my research I looked for him in the Pasajer]os a Indias (at PARES: Portal de Achivos Españoles). I did not find him, but the search turned up several other Romo's but the most interesting were Licenciado Luis Romo and Diego Romo.
For Luis Romo it says:
El Licenciado Luis Romo, natural de Rielves (en la información pone natural de Allende Vacas), soltero, hijo de Juan Romo y de Ana Dias de Aguero, al Perú, Information y licencia en CONTRATACION, 5234B, N, 1, R.29. The record is dated Dec 17, 1591.
For Diego Romo is says:
Diego Romo, natural de Rielves (en la información pone Illán de Vacas), soltero, hijo de Juan Romo y Ana Diaz (de Aguero), al Perú como criado del licenciado Luis Romo. Información y licencia en CONTRATACION, 5234B, N.1, R.30. The reocrd is also dated Dec. 17, 1591.
Diego Romo de Vivar who came to Nueva España was born in 12 Mar 1588/89, in Rielves (source: Connie
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George,
I have seen many people listed in Pasajeros a Indias, with the city where
they are from inadvertently recorded as the last name of the individual. Try
looking for the first name with the city as the last name. You might get
some hits that way. You might also want to do a search in that archive with
the name of the city only and then lastly, just try some variations with the
surname and city to see what comes up.
Another thing that you need to be aware of when searching Pares or
other databases is that, more often than not, the searches are exact. So any
variation in the name will not show up.
For instance, if you type Jerez in Pares you will get many results, but if
you type Xerez or Jeres you will only get a few hits. All the hits might be
relevant to the place or name of interest.
Good luck!
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I would not doubt that all these Romo are related, Rielves is just a small pueblo in Spain, prob. some uncles or distant cousins. I also come from the Romo de Vivar several times. -Daniel Camino
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Just wanted to add a note to this thread. In the Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia page 328 it shows a pedigree tree where of many names it states the following:
Cap. Diego ROMO DE VIVAR , Tte. de Gob. del Parral, pacificador de los indios mansos. N, Rielves 12_III_1589 + Sta. Ma. del Rio Florido (Chih)1640
Does this mean that Diego ROMO DE VIVAR died in Sta. Ma. del Rio Florido (Chih) in 1640?
And why "pacificador de los indios mansos?" Do tame indians need to be pacified???
If that's the case then:
This is the Diego ROMO DE VIVAR married to Maria RANGEL +Ags. 1659
Lope RUIZ DE ESPARZA Y DIEZ DE EGUINOA +born in Pamplona died in Ags 14 SEP 1651 married Francisca GABAI + 30 MAR 1652
Luis
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Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar was a member of the inquisition
he had family in chihuahua I believe the Romo de VERA family was related to him
the vera came from a wife and was not a corruption of vivar
Ricci
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To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes
Just wanted to add a note to this thread. In the Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia page 328 it shows a pedigree tree where of many names it states the following:
Cap. Diego ROMO DE VIVAR , Tte. de Gob. del Parral, pacificador de los indios mansos. N, Rielves 12_III_1589 + Sta. Ma. del Rio Florido (Chih)1640
Does this mean that Diego ROMO DE VIVAR died in Sta. Ma. del Rio Florido (Chih) in 1640?
And why "pacificador de los indios mansos?" Do tame indians need to be pacified???
If that's the case then:
This is the Diego ROMO DE VIVAR married to Maria
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Luis,
Diego Romo de Vivar was still alive a year before his wife died on 19 Jun 1659. On 5 May 1658 Capt. Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel were "padrinos" at the wedding of their sons Juan and Pedro Romo de Vivar, who married two Tiscareño girls, María and Lorenza, in a double ceremony in Aguascalientes. His son Capt. Juan Romo de Vivar, Justicia Mayor de Aguascalientes, and his wife María Tiscareño, are my 8th great grandparents. The marriage record reads as follows:
"El 5 de mayo de 1658 en la capilla de Luys Tiscareño casé y velé a Juan Romo de Vivar con María de Tiscareño, y a Pedro Romo de Vivar con Lorenza de Esparza [Lorenza de Tiscareño] siendo padrinos de Juan Romo, Juan de Tiscareño y Isabel Romo su muger, y de Pedro Romo el Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar y María Rangel su muger. Fueron testigos el sargento Don Alonso Ramírez de Prado, Alcalde Mayor de esta villa, y Don Lorenzo Ramírez de Prado."
Here is some additional information from "Familia Romo de Vivar: Una
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Juan ROMO DE VIVAR is the husband of my 8x great-grandmother.
Pedro ROMO DE VIVAR is the husband of my 8x great-aunt
I suspect that same ROMO line marries into the JAIME line further on down the line too.
Would you happen to know how is this Pedro ROMO related to:
Pedro Jesus ROMO DE VIVAR m. Maria Guadalupe CASTANEDA JAIME
31 Mar 1786 in San Jose de Gracia, Rincon de Romos, AGS, MX?
Luis TISCARENO DE MOLINA Y MARQUEZ is my 9x great-grandfather
So you're saying that Alférez Real Juan RANGEL DE VIEZMA is actually Juan RANGEL PEGUERO?
And if so, do I understand correctly that he is the father of:
Ignacio RANGEL DE VIEZMA m. Francisca CONTRERAS
who is the father of:
Diego RANGEL DE VIEZMA m. Maria Nicolasa ALCARAZ VILLAREAL
who was the father of:
Dr. Francisco Mariano RANGEL ALCARAZ?
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Luis,
If Juan ROMO DE VIVAR is the husband of your 8x great-grandmother, then Juan is your 8x great-grandfather, right? jejeje
I have Pedro Jose ROMO DE VIVAR (not Pedro Jesus) who married Maria Guadalupe CASTANEDA 21 Mar 1786 in Rincon de Romos (ayuda de Parroquia de San Jose de Gracia) as the second great-grandson of Diego Romo de Vivar. The connections are as follows:
*Person: Pedro Jose ROMO DE VIVAR married to Maria Guadalupe CASTANEDA
Parents: Joseph Andrés ROMO DE VIVAR and Maria Margarita MARTIN DE SOTOMAYOR
Paternal grandparents: Nicolas ROMO DE VIVAR and MARIA DE VILLALOBOS
Paternal great-grandparents: Pedro ROMO DE VIVAR and LORENZA TISCARENO
*Paternal 2x great-grandparents: Diego ROMO DE VIVAR and MARIA RANGEL DE VIEZMA Y ROSALES
Paternal 3x great-grandparents: Diego ROMO DE VIVAR and CATALINA PEREZ
I will answer your other questions tomorrow. It is close to midnight in Dallas and I've been working out. Will talk to you in the morning.
Bill Figueroa
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Thanks Bill,
I knew there had to be another connection somewhere... Would you send me the dates resources on those? Also, does your ROMO line happen to go down to Miguel Santos ROMO m. Maria OCHOA?
And for the record there are two Juan ROMO DE VIVARs right? Juan ROMO DE VIVAR RANGEL and Juan ROMO DE VIVAR TISCARENO?
And about Juan ROMO DE VIVAR being the husband of my 8x great-grandmother, then Juan being 8x great-grandfather. I thought that was the case but that's how my FTW software calculated it which I thought was pretty weird... LOL
Thanks again,
Luis
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Luis,
This is in answer some of your questions:
1) My line does NOT go Miguel Santos ROMO who married Maria OCHOA. I have no information on this couple.
2) I'll look up the resources you requested and send them via separate email within the next couple of days.
3) As far as I know, Juan ROMO DE VIVAR RANGEL and Maria TISCARENO did not have a son named Juan. There was a Juan ROMO DE VIVAR TISCARENO, the son Pedro ROMO DE VIVAR and Lorenza TISCARENO. I have no information about him, other than he probably died young. I have several Juan ROMO VIVARs in my database. Which one did you have in mind?
Bill
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Luis,
Here is some additional info. about the RANGEL families of Nueva Galicia:
The Alférez Real Juan RANGEL DE VIEZMA, who married María ROSALES, was also known as Juan RANGEL PEGUERO. He was the son of Alonso RANGEL PEGUERO, Conquistador, and Luisa VELASQUEZ DE SALAZAR. My good friend Felipe REYES ROMO gave me the following information about Juan RANGEL PEGUERO:
1583. Se otorga en la Cd. de México un poder de Juan Rangel a Marcos de Biesma.
1584. Merced de la Real Audiencia, año de 1584, a Juan Rangel Peguero de un sitio de estancia para ganado menor en términos de Pachuca, cerca de los de Tilquautla, con la posesión que tomó, y la información que dio doña Francisca Velásquez de Salazar de como le pertenecía a ella y a sus hijos.
1584. Merced de tierras en favor de Juan Rangel Pegueros compartiéndola con Rodrigo Yáñez.
The Alférez Real Juan RANGEL DE VIEZMA and María ROSALES were the parents of:
1. Ignacio RANGEL DE VIEZMA m. Francisca CONTRERAS. Their son Diego
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Hi Bill:
I know your message was addressed to Erica but I read it too and I have a
question about it for you:
Under #2 Diego Romo de Vivar , you have that he fathered: #3 Diego Romo de
Vivar. but for #3 you list Capitan Pedro Romo de Vivar instead of "Diego".
Which is right? or was Capitan Pedro Romo de Vivar also named Diego?
Am I missing something here?...
Thank you
John Gonzalez
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Hello Erica,
I found some discrepancies in your Romo de Vivar line. Here is what I have
reconstructed from my files:
1. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: abt. 1562
Marriage: Catalina Pérez
Fathered: 2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1589
2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: 1589
Baptism: 12 Mar 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Spain
Marriage
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HI John Gonzalez,
I can answer this for you Pedro was one of 8 siblings in which he had a brother named Deigo, Bill used this outline from me in which I once had that Pedro and Diego where the same person but i have since found they are brothers I have more information if you would like! You can see the last email I sent to bill about the information.
Hope this answers your question.
Thank you,
Erica
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:31:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes
Hi Bill:
I know your message was addressed to Erica but I read it too and I have a question about it for you:
Under #2 Diego Romo de Vivar , you have that he fathered: #3 Diego Romo de Vivar. but for #3 you list Capitan Pedro Romo de Vivar instead of "Diego". Which is right? or was Capitan Pedro Romo de Vivar also named Diego?
Am I missing something here
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Hi Erica:
Thank you for taking the time to get me straightened out about this family.
I too descend from the "Romo de Vivar" line.
Thank you for offering more information. Do you have any "Romo" or "Romo
de Vivar" from Santa Ana or Jalostotitlan?
Thank you.
John Gonzalez
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HI John Gonzalez,
I can answer this for you Pedro was one of 8 siblings in which he had a
brother named Deigo, Bill used this outline from me in which I once had that
Pedro and Diego where the same person but i have since found they are
brothers I have more information if you would like! You can see the last
email I sent to bill about the information.
Hope this answers your question.
Thank you,
Erica
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John,
Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel had the following children:
1.. Joseph Romo de Vivar, baptized 30 Jun 1625 at the Church of San Felipe Apóstol, Guanajuato. In 1644 Joseph married Juana Solís de Calahorra in Chihuahua. The following information extracted by Manuel Rosales, Cronista de Camargo, was published in the "Book of Marriages, Presidio de Conchos".
In 1644 in the Presidio de Conchos, Chihuahua, were married Joseph Romo de Vivar Rangel, the son of Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel, and Juana de Solís Calahorra, the daughter of Capitán Juan de Solís and María de Calahorra
Joseph Romo de Vivar and Juana Solís had a son Gerónimo Romo de Vivar who married Margarita de Tiscareño, daughter of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.
2.. Diego Romo de Vivar, born ca.1630 in México City, married Luisa de los Reyes (full name María Luisa de los Angeles de los Reyes).
3.. Capt. Juan Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1632, married María de
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Hi Bill,
Hope this helps, I got this info from Ancestry.com
Name: Antonia Romo De Vivar Y De Rangel
Birth: Abt 1636 - Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Death: Abt 1672 - Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Parents: Diego Romo De Vivar Y Perez, Maria De Rangel Y Pegüero
I have still not found any information on Maria except that she exsisted.
I have a question in regard to
Nicolas Romo de Vivar
Born 11 Sep.1656 in Aguascalientes Mexico
married to Maria Villalobos/ marianna villalobs spelling varies*
Death 8 dec 1714 el sagrario, Aguascalientes ,Mexico
I keep finding him as the son of both Pedro Romo De Vivar & lorenza Tiscareno and Diego Romo De Vivar & Luisa De los Reyes y Angeles I know one has to be wrong but i haven't been able to figure it out. Do you know for sure who the correct parents are?
Thank you,
Erica
John,
Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel had the following children:
1.. Joseph Romo de Vivar, baptized 30 Jun 1625 at the Church
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Erica,
This is the case of two first cousins with the same name (Nicolás Romo de Vivar) marrying two first cousins with similar names (Mariana and María de Villalobos). The first married Mariana de Villalobos, daughter of Nicolás de Villalobos and Theresa Carrillo de Sandi, residents of Teocaltiche, and the second María de Villalobos, daughter of Salvador de Villalobos and Francisca Martín del Campo, from San Juan de los Lagos, Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.
1.. Nicolás Romo de Vivar, baptized 11 Sep 1656 at Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes, was the son of Diego Romo de Vivar and María Luisa de los Angeles de los Reyes. He married Mariana de Villalobos 14 Jan 1686 at the Church of Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
2.. Nicolás Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1664 (have not found his baptism) was the son of Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar and Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza). He married María de Villalobos (aka María López de la Cruz) 12 Feb
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Hola Pariente , I went to #6 below -Francisco Romo de Vivar , I went to WWW.familysearch.org. trying to see who was Lorenza Delgado Tiscareno(Ruiz de Esparza) parents. This site tells me that Luis Tiscareno and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza are her parents. Is this another error on this site and if so who were her parents?
thanks for your time
tu primo
Ronnie Reynoso
From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:01:28 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes> > John,> > Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel had the following children:> > 1.. Joseph Romo de Vivar, baptized 30 Jun 1625 at the Church of San Felipe Apóstol, Guanajuato. In 1644 Joseph married Juana Solís de Calahorra in Chihuahua. The following information extracted by Manuel Rosales, Cronista de Camargo, was published in the "Book of Marriages, Presidio de Conchos". > > In 1644 in the Presidio de Conchos, Chihuahua, were married Joseph Romo de Vivar Rangel
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Hey Ronnie,
Let me see if I can explain this without making it too confusing.
Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza had a daughter named
Lorenza Tiscareño, also known as Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza (like her mother).
This Lorenza married Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar.
Luis and Lorenza also had a daughter named Francisca who went by the name
Francisca Gabai (instead of Francisca Tiscareño). She was named after her
grandmother Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma. There were no rules to name
children like we have today, so sometimes people gave their children the
name of a beloved grandfather or grandmother, surname included.
This Francisca Gabai, the daughter of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza
Ruiz de Esparza, married Joseph Delgado on 30 Aug 1644 at the Parroquia de
la Asunción in Aguascalientes. They had several children and one of them
was also named Lorenza. I have seen her name written Lorenza Delgado Gabai,
Lorenza Delgado Tiscareño and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. I
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Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes