Hi, I am a new member. I am research my family history. Madera. We are
from Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico. A lot of Madera's there. But
there are a number of ranchos surrounding the pueblo. Three Rancho
Maderas:
San Jose De Maderas
Bajio de Maderas
Rincon De Maderas
These ranchos are very old. As I scrolled through rolls of films found
out that my Madera family was originally at Rincon de Maderas (Rancho de
Maderas) in the 1700's. Then in 1798, found birth of my great great
grandfather at a nearby rancho called, rancho Ximulco. Seems that my
ancestors moved from Rancho Rincon de Madera to Rancho Ximulco. And we
have been at Rancho Jimulco ever since.
But I am trying to research what part of Europe we originally came from.
I know that our pueblo, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico was founded on
March 23, 1573. The surrounding ranchos were in existence at the time.
And everyone was baptized at Parroquia de San Diego which is in the pueblo,
Huejuquilla El Alto.
My hunch is that we came from two places in Europe. Isla Madeira,
Portugal and Oviedo, Asturias, Espana.
Due to the discovery of silver in Zacatecas which is right there, since
our pueblo is on the border of northern Jalisco and Zacatecas........many
people from europe came to this area for the discovery of silver and to get
land grants (a rancho). Also note that there are a large number of indigenous Huichole that live in the area. So there was intermarrying with the Huicholes.
I found a map on the internet showing the routes that ships took from
Europe to Mexico. The spanish vessels embarked from Sevilla,
Spain.......traveled throught the islands of Portugal such as Azores,
Madeira and then through the Canary Islands.....before heading off to the
carribean islands such as Cuba and the Dominican Republic......then with
final destination to Veracruz, Mexico....
From there people traveled to Zacatecas and that is how we are in Huejuquilla El Alto there since the late 1500's.
The first Madera that was on the passenger list to the Indies (1500's) was Rodrigo
Madera (from Isla Madiera)...that landed in Dominican Republic. Don't
think I am descended from him since my family is in Mexico.
Also another clue is that our church, "Sanctuario Del Divino Preso" at
Huejuquilla El Alto, has a similar resemblance to the large church of San
Salvador in Oviedo, Asturias, Spain. I found out there are a lot of people
with last name Madera at Oviedo.
Note: When silver was discovered in Zacatecas. The silver went two
directions. Back to Spain with ships embarking from Veracruz, Mexico
and...........to China with ships embarking from Acalpulco on the Manila
Galleons that sailed through the phillipines and on to China in the trade
of mexican silver for chinese porcelain and spices.
But also with the discovery of silver in Zacatecas. There are a few
spices and herbs that grow naturally in our area of Huejuquilla El Alto,
Jalisco such as "Clavos" and other herbs that we still use in our
traditional foods. I am sure Spain collected those and used those to
trade with back in those days...
Another clue that I found is, "El Santo Nino De Atocha." By looking at the clothing you can get a clue as to what part of Europe we could have came from.
"El Santo Nino De Atocha" has Celtic Clothing, A Pilgrimage staff, water bottle and the Clam shell on the side of the chest. I investigated those items and found out that the Clam Shell is the "Saint James Clam Shell" of Santiago De Compostela, Galicia, Espana. If you look closely at this youtube video, you can see several of the items that is on "El Santo Nino De Atocha" of Fresnillo, Zacatecas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnqpoELmDbM&feature=related
Galicia, Spain has Celtic influence which could explain the european features such as people with green eyes and blonde hair that our in are area in Mexico. That is another clue as to where some of the people in our area came from way back during precolombian times.
Saint James was an apostle of Jesus that traveled to Spain. Saint James and the apostles were suppose to have been at Capernaum, Israel
Hi, I found out some more information.
My great grandmother's name is Antonia Carillo Madera and she was married to Jesus (Juan de Jesus) Sanchez Alvarez... or somethign like that.
They had several children.. Manuel, Rafael, Zeferina, Romana, Teresa (1936)...
Does any of this sound familiar or can you direct me to where I can search myself.
Thank you!
Tania Garcia
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Hi,
I also have the surname Madera in my blood line and from this pueblo too.
Ancestory.com is down at the moment and I can't give you the exact names.
I do know that the Madera came from my grandmother's side and I want to say her mother's name was Antonia. I will come back and post more information as I get it.
Thank you!
Tania Garcia
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Call me Tony
Here are some community websites of the pueblos of Jalisco:
http://clubhuejuquilla.ning.com/
That one is our pueblo Huejuquilla, Jalisco. But on the right side is a list of other pueblos that you can click on to check out.
Near Huejuquilla is Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico:
Mesquitic, Jalisco, Mexico:
http://www.mezquitic.com/main.html
http://www.mimezquitic.com/
Villaguerrero:
http://www.villaguerrero.info/
Near Guadalajara is Teptatitlan:
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Dear Silvia Corona,
It could be that the Maderas that branched out came from the Rancho Maderas in the Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico area. My Madera ancestors were at Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon De Los Maderas) just to the east of Huejuquilla. There are three Rancho Maderas, where two are on the map:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6807/ranchomaderajaliscomexi.jpg
San Jose De Los Madera
Bajio De Los Madera
Rancho De Los Madera (Rincon De Los Madera) - Not on map
When I browsed microfilm of bautismos records, I found my Madera family at Rancho De Los Madera (Rincon De Los Madera) during the 1700's. But my great great grandfather Patricio Madera, "Espanol" was born in Rancho Jimulco - a nearby ranch. Meaning that we moved from Rancho Madera to Rancho Jimulco
There are a lot of Maderas in those Ranchos.
Rancho Maderas are family ranches named after our surname. There are other family named ranchos like Estancias Escalantes, Hacienda De Los Landas.
Our pueblo is
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Thank you.
I will have to go back with the last Madera in Autlan to find were do they
come from.
I appreciate the information.
Sylvia
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There are a number of pueblos, haciendas and ranchos in our area where we live.
Here is a nice website of our region of Jalisco/Zacatecas:
http://zonanortejalisco.com.mx/
There is another nice hacienda called, Hacienda San Mateo and it is located in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico. Which is 35 minutes to the east of our pueblo of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.
It is very old and still exists. "El Conde" lived there and here is a picture of El Conde and his wife from the 1720 era. Fernando De La Campa Cos:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5633/condedesanmateovalparai.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7826/esposadeldondevalparais.jpg
I have been to the museum of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico and saw several paintings of El Conde, his wife and daughter there.
This link gives more details:
http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/personajes_ilustres/conde_fernando…
It is near Huejuquilla, Jalisco, our pueblo, we all know each other there.
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Do you have any history on how the Madera's appear in Autlan, Jalisco or in
this area?
The Madera's from Zacatecas or nothr of Jalisco how do they moved to other
areas?
Does any of you have more information on the Madera family after 1600's to
the 1800's?
I am interesting in connecting with the main trunk of Madera's
Thank you
Sylvia H Corona
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Yes Edward, I am very familiar with San Antonio De Padua, Zacatecas, Mexico.
It is 5 - 10 minutes on the west side of our pueblo Huejuquilla. It is an ex-hacienda and the original building still exists with cone shaped structures where they stored grain. It is a community smaller than our pueblo of Huejuquilla, Jalisco. People in San Antonio are farmers living in stone houses.
Here is an album of fotos of San Antonio de Padua, Zacatecas, Mexico:
http://photos.huejuquilla.mobi/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=311752
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1903/sanantoniodepaduahuejuq.jpg
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/30932304
We all know each other. Did you know that practically all of our pueblos have community websites where we post pictures and chat in saludos section?
I emailed you in more detail.
Here is a good community website of the people of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco, Mexico which is another pueblo right next to Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico:
villaguerrero.info
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Madera_32,
One last thing. Yesterday I was reviewing material again from Mezquitic and kept on running into Madera entries. The earliest Madera was Antonio Madera from 1685. They intermarried heavily with the Guzman, Banuelos and Robles families, amongst others. My Felgueres ancestors married into the same group. I must have run into a lot of Maderas since at one point in my research, I noted that the Madera family in the 1715-1720 time frame was from "Minillas." We have discussed Minillas before in this website. There were many Minillas in the past and now they reportedly don't exist because of their depleted minerals. At least, you might get a hint of what kind of business they were in.
I have one more comment about all these families which I will make later in another topic page.
Ed
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Dear Mr. Madera,
Since you are from Huejuquilla El Alto, are you familiar with a ranch called Hacienda de San Antonio (de Padua)? I found it in the old records of either Huejuquilla or Mesquitic. The ranch was owned by Guillermo Duval del Valle (from Cadiz) and Gertrudis de los Santos Coy (from Saltillo originally) ~1760-1770 time frame. Is it still there? Is it in Huejuquilla or Valparaiso? Do you now any history of it.
Ed
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I would have to say that the Madera's european origin is from Asturias, Spain. Since other people that have posted here that are also Madera has stated Asturias.
But I would say two places. Madeira Island of Portugal and Asturias, Spain.
So that should give other people from the Madera family and idea where to look.
Notice that what attracted europeans to the Northern Jalisco and Zacatecas area was the discovery of silver. Zacatecas is known for the silver that was discovered there. Also the establishment of the Ranchos.
Northern Jalisco is right on the border with Zacatecas.
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This style of hat is worn by the old people in the ranchos of our pueblo Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7320/33349932.jpg
I am curious to it's origin. It is also worn by some of the Huichole Indigenous people, but they put feathers on it.
So is it european or indigenous in origin?
I have a cousin that is researching our indigenous peoples that live in our area the Huicholes. And I am researching our european origin. So there is two of us doing research on our histories.
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Summary of my ancestors:
My grandfather is Antonio Madera, born July 1893 in Rancho Jimulco of Huejuqulla El Alto, Jalisco Mexico.
Calixto (Calisto) Madera, born in 1856, Rancho De Jimulco
Maria Clemencia Madera de Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon De Los Maderas) of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico (Parents of Antonio Madera)
Patricio Madera, "Espanol" ( born 1792 or 1798?) in Rancho Ximulco (Jimulco) of Huejuquilla, Jalisco
Maria Dimas De La Paz (Parents of Calixto Madera)
Juan Venancio Madera, "Espanol" born 1762 Rancho (Rincon) De Los Maderas, Huejuquilla, Jalisco (Father of Patricio Madera)
Francisco Madera, "Espanol" Rancho (Rincon) De Los Maderas, Huejuquilla, Jalisco
Maria De Huizar (Parents of Juan Venancio Madera)
Side Note:
Maria Clemencia Madera de Rancho (Rincon) De Los Maderas, Huejuquilla, Jalisco is the daughter of:
Benito Madera who was born in 1836, Rancho (Rincon) De Los Maderas, Huejuquilla Jalisco and
Maria Estanislaus Munoz
Marcelo Madera, born in
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I connect with the MADERA family, but this is as back as I have been able to
go:
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Descendants of Juan MADERA
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1 Juan MADERA
.. +Ana MARTINEZ
2 Ignacio MADERA Martinez Born: in descendiente de Espanol
.... +Rita LIZAOLA Navarro Born: in descendienete de franceses
... 3 Paulino MADERA Lisaola 1854 - 1925 Born: 22 Jun 1854 in Ahuacapán,
Jalisco, México
....... +María FLORES Lisaola 1866 - 1927 Born: 18 Apr 1866 in Autlán de la
Grana, Jalisco, México
... 3 Magdalena MADERA Lisaola
....... +Tomás CABEZUD Santana 1874 - 1915 Born: Abt. 1874 in Jalisco
... 3 Cleofas MADERA Lisaola 1856 - Born: 26 Sep 1856 in Cavrito Autlán de
la Grana, Jalisco, México
... 3 Francisco MADERA Lisaola 1860 - Born: 05 Sep 1860 in El Sagrario,
Autlán de la Grana, Jalisco, México
I hope that I can make more connections with some of you.
Sylvia H Corona Cortes
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Thank you all for responding Longsjourney, Edward Serros, Mendezdelcamino, and Armando
Now Ed, I am very familiar with Mezquitic, Jalisco. We have been there several times as it is south of Huejuquilla. Because when we had to travel from Guadalajara to Huejuquilla or Huejuquilla to Guadalajara using the highway in the rugged mountains, we have to pass through Mezquitic. My Madera family is like this. My grandfather is name Antonio Madera born in July 1893 in Rancho Jimulco next to Huejuquilla, My great grandfather Calixto (Calisto) Madera was born in 1856 in Rancho Jimulco). I have been to their grave sites. Calixto Madera is buried next to his brother Julian Madera. Calixto died around 1923 and Julian died two years later. Calixto Madera had children with Maria Clemencia Madera. Maria Clemencia Madera is from Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon De Los Maderas). She is the daughter of Benito Madera (Rincon De Los Maderas) and grand daughter of Marcelo Madera (Rincon de Maderas)
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I too have family from the areas you describe. For what it is worth, I have repeatedly found the Madera family not only in Huejuquilla el Alto but in the nearby town of Mezquitic, Jalisco. The marriages and baptisms of the Maderas in Mezquitic date back to at least 1686 (Mormon film numbers 1164940 and 1164952). I suspect this is the same family since these towns were all frontier land back then. The elite (well-to-do mestizos, criollos, and the rare peninsular) all intermarried; distance was not a major issue but "class" was. It was preferable to marry a non-NAI. The ultimate prize for a criollo family was to marry a peninsular but it was OK to marry another criollo or well-to-do mestizo (re-labeled "espanol"), near as I can figure from my review of centuries of records in the local area and books that I have read. Bottom line: I think we are talking about the same Madera family, with branches thereof. Also by 1686, at least one of the Madera family members, Blas Madera, son of Joseph
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Hi Ed! The culture of Spain has always fascinated me! The typical stereotype is bullfghting, wine, flamencoand fancy clothes. That is usually south of Madrid (though bullfighting is also popular in the north. My Spanish roots primarily are from Castilla, Asturias, Cantabria and Galicia. North of Madrid you;ll finda TOTAL dfferent culture! These are areas are like you said Celtico. The Irish are said to have come fromNorthern Spain along time ago. The English also have roots in Iberia and Germany. Sometimes peopleforget that the Spaniards from the north are usually (Gothic and Suevic blood from Germany). The history in general is fascnating. It is nice to know someone who also has Asturianu roots ours are from Cangas de Onis.
Regards,Daniel Mendez
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Daniel,
With respect to your comment that the Irish came from Northern Spain, I am not sure that I agree. The Celts settled both Northern Spain and the British Isles, but I am not sure there is good data that the sequence was Northern Spain then Ireland. For example, the myth that the Black Irish are Spaniards that were shipwreck victims from the defeated Spanish Armada is complete fantasy, given my historical sources.
Furthermore, the Felgueres/Villegas family in Huejuquilla el Alto also derive from the de los Santos Coy family via Saltillo. The latter Santos Coy family, along with the de la Garza Falcon family and others, were from Lepe, Huelva, Spain. Arguably, these families were conversos (ex-Jews). See the book "Conquistadores and Crypto-Jews of Monterrey" by David T. Raphael. I admit that Raphael lacks solid data.
In my historical and DNA reviews, there is nothing "pure" in any family of Mexico, especially our area of investigation. In my mind, Spain itself was the largest
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According to Brian Sykes the British Isles were populated by Iberians 6,000 years ago. I am going to assume he worked with anthropoligists for his following statement "Before they arrived, there were some human inhabitants of Britain but only a few thousand in number." Both of these statements can be read at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/celts-descended-from-….
Also the Irish are more closely related to the Basques as far as Y-DNA is concerned.
"In Western Europe, R1b is present in Irish 90-98%,[44] Basques: 90-95%,[45] Bretons: 80-89%,[46] Scottish: 77%, Catalans: 75%,[45] English: 75%, Belgians: 70%,[31] Portuguese: 70%,[35] France (Strasbourg): 67.6%, France (Lyon), 66.7%,[47], Spanish (as a whole): 65%,[48] Italians (continental Italy): 40%,[49] Germans: 39%,[50] Norwegians: 25.9%,[51] Sicilians: 24.5%,[52] Maltese: 21.9%,[53] Swedes: 20%,[51] Sardinians: 19%.[54]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1b#Eurasia
Physical traits
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I don't think all Mexicans "have" the same genetic ancestry, if you go to Mexicothey have a spectrum of colors from the darkest to the lightest. From personallyexperience and travel I notice the majority of the lightest Mexicans are in the north,west and Mexico, though they can be virtually anywhere in Mexico. I guess the concentration is because of the climate. A state like Jalisco is a very fair climate similar to that of Europe, hence I think this is why the Spanish had a desire to conquer that territory and settle. I think the mestizosare half Spanish and half native american. I have an interesting history, I have one black ancestor and 2 indio ancestors, 1 jewish ancestor and the rest are European, it shows Mexico to be a pluricultural country! It gets confusing once "se limpian" as it was known in colonial times like if mestizo married a white to make castizo and the castizo married another white then they become "full" espanol again.
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Hello Daniel, I agree not all Mexicans have the same genetic ancestry, but generally it is the same. Gary Felix and Robert Tarín met equilibrium with their DNA databases. Meaning that after a certain point there is hardly any change in the percentages with additional samples. Therefore most Mexicans are mestizos, or half Spanish and half Indian. Spanish being the same mix as found in Spain (European, Middle Eastern, North African, etc)
I also agree with you that there will be differences between communities or groups in Mexico and there definitely were areas where more Spanish, or other ethnic groups, settled and other areas where they didn't. This is why I would like to see a website for Mexico just like the Iberian roots site, especially for Los Altos. Also a differentiation of Spanish origin could be generalized. As far as climate is concerned, it would only be part of the equation for the reason where the Spanish settled, since they also settled in areas that didn't have such a
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Yss, Los Altos would be a great project! Most of the records I have seen Spanish tend to marrySpanish. There are obviously mestizos as well. I wonder what if the some maternal altenoDNA is european that would be really interesting. As you stated in most parts of Mexicothe women tended to carry the ameridinian gene. Even today in Mexico we see all types ofEuropeans (english, italian, portuguese, polish etc) and many dfferent type of Asian peoplesas well as many Africans that since the independence have immigrated to Mexico. My questionis if in general most people are half and half then how does the varied color spectrum of Mexicoexist, something I have always wondered. I have many friends in Mexico who are from the darkestto the lightest that can be found! This is what has gotten me nterested in DNA and such.
Regarding to my ancestry I have 2 indio ancestry (Moctezuma, as long as the Ruiz de Esparza genealogy is correct?)and another on my father's side which ironically is also
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Hello Daniel,
I think we should all coax Gary Felix, Robert Tarín, and Mariano Leal into
creating that database and urging people in Los Altos to participate. I
don't believe in the myth of the French, a late tio primo told me it was a
myth decades before I read Mariano Leal's take on it. He was also a güero
that could have been confused with having French ancestry. I have a first
cousin, from a different tio, that is also a güero that looks like he could
have French ancestry, and he does as well as Italian, and he also shares my
Spanish Basque ancestry. However both his surnames reflect the Spanish
Basque and his French ancestry. His French ancestry is not from Jalisco
though, and not from a lost batallion either.
Now as far as the skin color variation it is due to a lot of things. First
of all genes can be recessive. Two brown haired people can have a blond
child. Also, the skin color of the children won't necessarily be the same.
Some of my uncles were güeros some were morenos
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As Mariano states, I fnd it absurd some pepole think white skin must be french, but likeMariano says "eran blancos porque eran espanoles" Yes, this is true because my father isbrown haired and my mother is blonde, I have brown hair. While my sister is blonde. My fatheris blue eyed and my mother is green eyed, one of my sisters and I have brown eyes whilethe rest of my siblngs have green or blue. I guess in our family brown is recessive. Not surewhere we get brown eyes. All up to my great grandparents had "colored" eyes so I guess brown eyes came from one of my great great grandparents of whom we do not have knowledge ofeye color. It must be on my father's side. Going back to the Celts which is nterestng, I guess we have "a strong" celtic lineage since I have been told blonde=celtic, almost all my mother's familyis blonde. Easily pass as a typical northern european. Then again not all northern europeansare blonde or super lght complected. I have a friend who is a Dane and is
brown
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"My questionis if in general most people are half and half then how does the varied color spectrum of Mexicoexist, something I have always wondered" ---
Daniel, I thought you had moved on from there, but all I can tell you is that a child with both parents with dark hair and brown eyes can be born with light hair and blue eyes-color of skin alone does not tell you what is in your DNA-you will have to study that science of genetics, statistics and probabilities. Your Indian ancestors could be Tlaxcalan, Zacateco, Chichimeca, etc. Too bad DNA cannot narrow our ancestry down to one group. Nobody can prove descendancy from any one tribe without a clear genetic trail.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:48:49 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Irish, Spanish, and Mexican DNA
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> Yss, Los Altos would be a great project! Most of the records I have seen Spanish tend to marrySpanish
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This is meant to be humorous....as I was holding my newborn 2nd child, a
very, very fair child, I asked my friend, "Isn't it weird how he was born so
fair?" She responded: "yes, those Espanoles se metieron con todos, y
tienen que salir evidencia de vez en cuando." How right she was!
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I know you are researching Madera but what's your name?
I really enjoyed what you shared and look forward to seeing more from you, thank you so much for sharing what you've learned. It reminded me we research more than surnames, we are reclaiming a history of our peoples in Mexico..
thank you again.. whoever you are!
Linda in Marietta
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MADERA Family history of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Hi, I am a new member. I am research my family history. Madera. We are
from Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico. A lot of Madera's there. But
there are a number of ranchos surrounding the pueblo. Three Rancho
Maderas:
San Jose De Maderas
Bajio de Maderas
Rincon De Maderas
These ranchos are very old. As I scrolled through rolls of films found
out that my Madera family was originally at Rincon de Maderas
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I sent you an email to give you my name.
Like to mention that Fresnillo, Zacatecas is located about two hours east of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco (where we are from).
One roll of film that I was scrolling through was "La Cofradia" year 1608! of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.
Presently in Huejuquilla El Alto, there is a rancho called, "La Cofradia." But when I browsed through microfilms of Huejuquilla El Alto, I found one called, "La Cofradia" of the year 1608. But at that time it was called, "La Cofradia De La Hermanidad." It was like a daily log......very interesting as to what was going on back then. Saw an inventory list of that time period. The person who was keeping a log at that time period was a Mayordormo by the name of Lazaro Medina.
In that inventory list it included items like "velas de baro, vino, corona de plata, pollos para los enfermos, costo para Semana Santa." That was an indication they celebrated Semana Santa back then.
But also there were
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MADERA Family history of