Ed,

No, Gorgonia died in Mexico at the turn of the 20th century when my father was a toddler. His father immigrated with him and his sister and his brother and his family in 1913 when my father was 10 years old, and they never returned to Mexico except that one time in the early 1960s when my father went to Jerez to try to get his birth certificate he needed to get his retirement from Westinghouse. There were no records, so my father paid a lawyer and a judge in Jerez to give him one. My father became a naturalized US citizen in 1941, and I sent for those records but they only state that his parents were born in Mexico, no city, etc.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:23:45 -0800
> From: eduardohseoane@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16
>
> If they ever came to the United States there should be border crossing
> information on them that might indicate place of

Lety -

Yes, Salvador, who is a member of NR, and another person in Mexico City and one in Jerez and one in California are the ones who were able to help me the most with my trees on my Olague/Arellano side. In fact, Salvador's tree is the same as mine when you go back several generations, and he downloaded my tree from Rootsweb and he merged it with his so that I could get those ancestors we share from way back in the 1700s and late 1600s. I just haven't uploaded my revised tree to NR yet because I don't know how.

What happened is that the records in Jerez are almost complete for the Olague/Arellano, but there is nothing on my father himself or his sister or his mother's parents. I think the records from 1890 to 1903 were burned or maybe not microfilmed, or my father and his sister were not baptized. I can't find a marriage record for Francisco and Gorgonio either.

Thank you for your time; I appreciate it.

Emilie

Port Orchard, Washington State, USA

> From

Lety -

Yes, those are my great grandparents Pedro and Rafaela. They were from Tepetongo and Salitrillo. Pedro died in Mexico, but Rafaela came to the US with some of her sons and daughters and she died in Colorado in 1941. She lived to be almost 100 years old, but I don't remember her.

For some reason Rafaela and her brothers and sisters used various surnames from one record to another: Tinajero, Felix, Flores, Suriano, others. Hilario and Teodosia were her parents, but Pedro's parents in his marriage record were Jose Santiago Olague and Eduviges Suriano. Hilario also used different surnames: Tinajero, Felix. Some of the Felix Arellano changed their name to Tinajero---I don't know why.

I am also descended from the de la Torre, but that is way, way back.

I wish I could tell you more about Gorgonia, but she died when my father was still a baby, and all he knew about his mother was her name and the names of her parents. I have been looking for years for Gorgonia

Hi, Maureen,

Yes I have checked both 0439867 1899-1903) and 0439868 (1903-1907) and did not find my father. I did find some of his first cousins. I also checked the film for the Civil Registry 1081921 for 1903-1904 and found nothing, but then my father knew he hadn't been registered in the Civil Registry since he went there himself in 1965 and he had to pay a lawyer and the court to add him on.

Thanks,

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mytmo@netnitco.net
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:54:28 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick Walls---Research Digest, Vol in, Issue 16, 1903 Jerez Bapt
>
> Dear Emilie:
> Did you also check film 0439868? This film also had baptisms for 1903. I usually check the film before or after if the years are duplicated. They may have the 1st part of the year on one film, then the second on the other.
> Worth a try if you have not already done so. By the way, my mother-in-law was also told the church records had burned, but