Does anyone know there surrounding parishes near Cotija. It appears there isnt any church records of Cotija for my grandmother in 1815. Please Help. Thanks.
Hola! No pude evitar interesarme a su plática de los Valencia de Cotija... y es que, tengo una linea que data de 1700 aprox. Se trata de:
Miguel Angel Valencia (el acta de matrimonio aparentemente dice "originario de Cotija") Casado en 1748 en Teocuitatlan de Corona, vecino de San Antonio.
Su esposa: Maria Antonia Villaseñor Trujillo (viuda)
Sus padres: Nicolas Valencia y Anna De Orosco
Sus hijos: Francisco Xavier, Manuel Ricardo, Ana Maria, Juan Jose, Terezha, Guadalupe, Josefa, Michaela, Francisco Roman, Jose Maria.
De casualidad tendran algun dato de sus padres Nicolas Valencia y Anna de Orosco en Cotija?
Saludos y todo lo mejor!
Veronica
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también comparto algunas raíces por el lado paterno, el González resultó de Cotija y no de los Reyes como yo creí, pero no solo ese sino González Valladares, Medina Vargas y también Alvares , pero no sé como aventajar más ya que los registros que he encontrado realmente son recientes cerca de 1900 poco antes, no sé de dónde se puede conseguir más información sobre Cotija o si alguien de aquí tiene alguno de esos apellidos.
los padres de mi abuelo José Hilario Malaquias González García (nacido en los Reyes 3 nov de 1867) fue....
Onofre González Valladares y María Marina García Alvares
sus abuelos paternos fueron Vicente González y Encarnación Valladares de Cotija
sus abuelos maternos fueron Ignacio García y Ramona Alvares, aqui si encontré en inf. matrimonial en los Reyes, pero no aparecen los datos ya que al casarse ya tenían dos hijos, por lo mismo supongo que se evitaron la información importante sobre los nombres de sus padres etc. Por otro lado también la mamá de mi abuela
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Saludos a todos,
Veronica, como dice el dicho "Mejor tarde que nunca"! Aunque no he descubierto quienes fueron los padres de Nicolas de Valencia, si encontre datos que nos dan a saber quienes lo fueron de Anna de Orozco, esposa de Nicolas de Valencia.
Nicolas de Valencia y Ana de Orozco fueron originarios de Cotija. Entre los hijos que tuvieron en Cotija, sabemos que (por lo menos) tres de ellos se fueron a poblar Jalisco. Aqui estan los tres hijos que conocemos:
Miguel Angel Valencia cc Maria Antonia de Villasenor y Trujillo
Juan Manuel Valencia cc Andrea Gudino (Son mis 6x great grandparents)
Maria Teresa Valencia cc Diego de Ochoa
Se fueron a vivir a San Antonio Tuxcueca, jurisdicción de Teocuitatlan, Jalisco.
Encontre hace poco una dispensa matrimonial en donde se trata de una hija de Maria Teresa Valencia (Maria Antonia Ochoa):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SD-6M?i=105&wc=12512730&…
En la dispensa, nos relata que entre los novios hay consanguinidad
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Despues de meses de armar el rompecabezas de la familia Valencia de Cotija... (Por medio de decenas de dispensas matrimoniales que encontre en el archivo del viejo Obispado de Michoacan) He descubierto que los padres de Nicolas de Valencia fueron:
Melchor de Valencia Pina (El Viejo) cc Magdalena de Liebana y Orozco.
Magdalena de Liebana y Orozco (Originaria de Tangancicuaro, Michoacan) fue hija de Alvaro Maciel y Isabel Orozco del Castillo. Sabemos esto gracias a esta dispensa que solicito Melchor para casarse por segunda vez (Su primera esposa fue Juana de la Pena y Orozco):
Dispensa para el matrimonio entre Melchor de Valencia Pina y Magdalena de Liebana y Orozco
Tambien tengo la partida de bautizmo de Nicolas:
Julio 13, 1665 - Chilchota, Michoacan
Hasta ahorita no he encontrado quienes fueron los padres de Melchor. Ni he encontrado datos sobre su origen. Solo se que nacio por el ano de 1616 y sabemos que se caso, por primera vez, con Juana de la Pena y Orozco con quien tuvo
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Hola Daniel,
Aqui la IM de Gertrudis de Amesqua y Mateo Rebolledo, 2 Feb 1659. Gertrudis de Amesqua es hija de Gaspar de Amesqua y de Catalina de Piña y Valencia.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG9K-6Q?i=86&wc=3NTX-1…
Parece que hay impedimento por una relacion que tuvo Mateo Rebolledo con Monica de Valencia, prima hermana de Gertrudis Amesqua. La Monica de Valencia es hija de Francisco de Valencia y de Magdalena de Tzipaqua (India); Francisco de Valencia es hermano de Catalina de Piña y Valencia. Salen Francisco de Valencia y Melchor de Valencia de testigos, no se dan sus edades.
Gracias y saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Muchisimas gracias Manny!
As always you come through in spades! I hadn't yet run across that informacion matrimonial. Catalina is indeed another sibling of Francisco and Melchor. (I had heard of Catalina through another dispensa for a great-grandchild. It's nice to know that it was correct. :-) )
I also found out that there's another sibling, Juan de Valencia Pina. Melchor, Juan, Catalina, and Francisco appear to be from the same generation, i.e. early 1600s.
I hope to someday find some documents for at least one of these folks where it says where they're from and/or their parents. It seems that the marriages for Espanoles from Tangancicuaro have pretty good coverage in the Morelia archives, so there's hope!
Thanks Again!
Daniel Serna Valencia
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Daniel, Manny, primos
Although the roots of these lastnames are not located in Nueva Galicia but in Michoacán, they originated through the years many lineages Novo galaicos.
I´m descendant of one of the witnesses of the dispensa of Melchor de Valencia Piña "El Viejo" and therefore have gathered some information related to the referred lastnames.
In the mentioned dispensa Melchor is willing to marry Magdalena de Liébana, daughter of Álvaro Maciel Blancharte and Isabel de Orozco del Castillo Liébana; well I´m descendat of a sister of this Magdalena whose name was Gerónima de Liébana baptized in Tangancícuaro in 1621, married to Juan Asencio de León in 1637 , this Juan Asencio was one of the witnesses of Melchor de Valencia in 1663 when Juan declared to be more than 60 years old.
In the dispensa the witnesses declare that the "pretensa" was the daughter of Isabel de Orozco and that this Isabel de Orozco was "Prima hermana" of the deceased first wife of Melchor named Juana de la Peña
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Thank you Carlos for the information! This is another treasure trove of info that I can add to my notes. Slowly but surely, the pieces to how these families were related are falling into place!
Thank You Primo!
Daniel Serna Valencia
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Another piece of the puzzle to the Valencia family tree... In the Informacion Matrimonial de Melchor de los Reyes y Catalina de Ontiveros, Tangancicuaro - 10 de Julio 1670 one of the witnesses, Francisco de Valencia Pina, anciano del pueblo de Tangantziquaro, de edad de mas de cinquenta anos, gave testimony that his parents were none other than:
Melchor de Valencia Pina cc Catalina de Barba Coronado Maldonado
The IM also further clarifies some of the Valencia family relationships. The IM doesn't state where Melchor and Catalina were from, but, at least we are taken back one more generation. (BTW, the Melchor de Valencia Pina called out above is not to be confused with the Melchor Valencia Pina (II) who married twice (1st to Juana de la Pena, 2nd Magdalena de Maciel Orozco) nor Melchor de Valencia Pina (III) wed to Isabel Morfin.)
All told, here's what the Valencia Pina y Barba Coronado family looks like:
- Parents: Melchor de Valencia Pina(I) cc Catalina Barba de Coronado Maldonado
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Dear Daniel,
You have Melchor de Valencia Pina (II) married twice, first to Juana De la Peña, and second to Magdalena Maciel Orozco.
But Melchor de Valencia Pina (III) that is married to Isabel Morfin has his parents as Melchor De Valencia (II) and “Juana Orosco”. So Juana De la Peña was also known as “Juana Orosco” taking the The Orosco surname from her mothers side.
Melchor De Valencia Pina
Spouse's Name Ysavel Morfin
Event Date 05 Feb 1664
Event Place Chilchota,Michoacan,Mexico
Father's Name Melchor De Valencia
Mother's Name Juana De Orosco
Spouse's Father's Name Antonio Rs. Morfin
Spouse's Mother's Name Ana De Lubana (Luebana)
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCFR-WBL : 10 February 2018), Melchor De Valencia in entry for Melchor De Valencia Pina and Ysavel Morfin, 05 Feb 1664; citing Chilchota,Michoacan,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 640,983
I am still looking for the parents of , Nicolas
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Hi Rick,
Correct on both counts. Juana de la Pena was also known as Juana de Orozco, daughter of Pedro de Penas(de la Pena) and Maria de Orozco. Melchor de Valencia Pina (III) is indeed the son of Melchor de Valencia Pina (II) and Juana de la Pena/Orozco.
Unfortunately, I don't yet have a concrete lead to share on Nicolas de Valencia and Josefa Martinez. I have a tiny lead on a Nicolas de Valencia (His parents were not listed, but, it does say that he was an Espanol from Tangancicuaro, Michoacan) that married a Josefa Nunez in Zamora in 1674. They had a son named Nicolas de Valencia Nunez, however, I have to yet to find if this Nicolas de Valencia Nunez ended up in Ocotlan nor have I found if he married a Josefa Martinez.
I can tell you that there are other Nicolas de Valencias in Michoacan in the late 1600s. The others that I have found do not appear to have lived in Ocotlan nor did they father a son named Lorenzo that went on to marry in Ocotlan in 1736. I'll keep looking and
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Does anyone know if she was the sister of Magdalena de Liebana, 2nd wife of Melchor de Valencia? In my tree on Ancestry, it suggested that the parents of Ana de Liebana are Alvaro Maciel and Isabel del Castillo Orosco.
Ana and Melchor's first wife were both my 10th great grandmothers.
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Yes, there was an Ana de Liebana, daughter of Alvaro Yanez Maciel and Isabel Orozco del Castillo. She was married to Antonio Rodriguez Morfin who had the following children:
Ana Morfin cc Francisco de Zepeda y Castro
Geronimo Morfin cc Diego de Garibay y Mendoza
Juana Morfin cc Juan Tamayo
Maria Morfin cc ??? she had a Valencia child and a Moreno child
Isabel Morfin cc Melchor de Valencia Pina (III) This Melchor was the son of Melchor de Valencia Pina (II) and Juana de la Pena.
Daniel Serna Valencia
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Hi Rafael,
My line is Valencia in Cotija. You'll notice that Cotija film starts around 1800 or so. Before that
I still have not discovered where people would go. I have had no luck since I never really studied
my Valencia family. I would guess a good place to check would be Sahuayo or Jacona. Lots
of families from Cotija moved to Tamazula, La Barca, Ciudad Guzman, etc.
Daniel Méndez Camino
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Rafael:
On March 20th 1918, Ines Chavez garcia, called "El Indio", attacked the Cotija and made a series of misdeeds with a group of approximately 1000 men and, among other disasters, they burned the parish records. That's why we do not exist. The only references are some marriage information, records of confirmations and books that were sheltered in Zamora and the information in the Archivo General de la Nación.
There are some books that can give valuable references on the inhabitants of Cotija:
1.-Cotija, Un pueblo y una época. Leonel Tinajero Villaseñor, B. Costa Amic, Editor, México, 1971.
2.-Cotija, Cuna de Trotamundos, primera parte. José Romero Vargas, México, 1973.
3.-Cotija durante las revoluciones 1900-1926, segunda parte. José Romero Vargas, B. Costa Amic, editor, México, 1978.
These books have been very useful for my family tree. I hope they are useful for you too.
Luis Núñez Gornés
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Luis:
My cousin Linda and share a line through the Mendez de Torres that goes back to Cotija, Michoacan. We descend from Jose Cayetano de Valencia who married Maria Josefa de los Dolores de Figueroa. This couple married sometime ca. 1812 in Cotija or Tamazula de Gordiano or the surrounding area. Josefa Figueroa was born on 18 Aug 1798 in Tamazula de Gordiano. They had Francisca de Figueroa who later on 13 Jun 1833 married my third great grandfather Jose Guadalupe Sabas Mendez de Torres in Tamazula. The family would stay in Tamazula where eventually my father was born We have not found any baptismal records for their kids, though they all married in Tamazula all state they are from Cotija like their father. I do not doubt that this Valencia family is the same one who populated places like Sahuayo, Jiquilpan, Zamora, etc. Do you have any clues or any advice I could use. Since many records of Cotija appear to be lost or burned.
Daniel Méndez Camino
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Daniel:
Supongo hablas español. If not, tell me and i'll write the next messages in English.
La mayor parte de la información que tengo en mi árbol genealógico respecto a Cotija, por mi línea paterna, la he obtenido de los libros mencionados, de la información que he podido rescatar de los pocos libros que no se quemaron y con la valiosa contribución de Leonel Tinajero que se ha dedicado muchos años a documentar el árbol genealógico de los Valencia. Tiene una infinidad de datos, todos ellos confirmados con documentos o narraciones orales. Si te interesa conocer lo que yo tengo, consulta mi árbol en línea en:
http://gw.geneanet.org/turandot1
Ahí encontrarás muchos Valencia.
Luis
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Estimado Luis,
Mi línea más antiguo de los Valencia son los siguientes, D. Vicente de Valencia y Da. María Josefa Oseguera. Aun no he podido encontrar más información sobre ellos. Ojalá tendrás un dato que me puede dar una pista sobre sus orígenes. Podías, si no es molestia, buscar en los libros que tienes sobre Vicente Valencia y Josefa Oseguera.
Un cordial saludo,
Daniel Méndez Camino
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Daniel:
Tengo datos de los siguientes Vicentes Valencia:
Vicente Valencia Valencia, nacido en 1769, Cotija, Mic., MÉXICO, fallecido el 8 de septiembre 1849 (a la edad de 80 años).
Casado con Marcela Mendoza Espinosa, con
* Vicente Valencia Mendoza, nacido en 1794, fallecido.
Casado con Altagracia Vargas Ruiz, con
o Benigna Valencia Vargas, nacida en 1824, fallecida.
Casada con Juan González Oseguera.
o Natividad Valencia Vargas, nacida en 1840, Cotija, Michoacán, México, fallecida el 19 de marzo 1887, Cotija, Michoacán, México (a la edad de 47 años).
Casada en 1871, Cotija, Mic., México, con Prudencio Guízar González, nacido en 1835, Cotija, Mic., MÉXICO, fallecido alrededor de 1897, Guadalajara, Jalisco, México (a la edad de posiblemente 62 años).
o Flora Valencia Vargas.
Casada con José María Guízar González, nacido en 1837, Cotija, Michoacán, México, fallecido en 1909, Guadalajara, Jalisco, México (a la
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As a follow up to this thread, does anyone know where I can get these books?
I seem to have come to a dead end on my Barbosa line, as they were from Cotija, then moved to Tamazula in the 1790's / early 1800s... also one of my ancestors from there was named Guizar, which seems to be a common name in Cotija.
Any help is appreciated...
The books are:
1.-Cotija, Un pueblo y una época. Leonel Tinajero Villaseñor, B. Costa Amic, Editor, México, 1971.
2.-Cotija, Cuna de Trotamundos, primera parte. José Romero Vargas, México, 1973.
3.-Cotija durante las revoluciones 1900-1926, segunda parte. José Romero Vargas, B. Costa Amic, editor, México, 1978.
I can only seem to find first editions online which are very expensive
Cheers
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Miguel Angel Valencia De Orosco (De cotija?)