Hi all--
Does anyone know who the parents of Gertrudis Díaz de León are? She married Juan Álvarez-Tostado circa 1708 either in Teocaltiche or Nochistlan. I am her descendent via her daughter Ana Álvarez-Tostado who married Miguel Antonio Márquez de los Olivos in 1751, Jalostotitlan.
Any leads will be appreciated. Thanks!
The marriage year was 1708 exactly. I found the record a few years ago. When I lost a lot of information when my computer crashed and my flash drive back up was stolen in the same week I also lost the exact date. If I remember correctly it was at the very bottom of a page, and just a couple of lines. That is why everyone has missed it. I will go back this weekend and try to find the exact date. I think I may have given that information to Miggy Gutierrez so he may have the exact date.
R A Ricci
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THANKS Rick, Raquel and Lisa! Much appreciated. :)
Saludos,
Claudia
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You are very welcome. I have not proven who her father's ( jose de leon) parents are.
Rick A Ricci
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THANKS Rick, Raquel and Lisa! Much appreciated. :)
Saludos,
Claudia
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Hello Rick,
Did you ever find the parents of Jose Diaz de Leon, married to Antonia Delgadillo?
I believe Jose Diaz and Antonia Delgadillo are the parents of my g6, Maria Guadalupe Diaz de Leon, who was married to Francisco Diego Carrillo Lisardi. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-38291-32?cc=1874591&wc…
Their daughter, Maria Estefania Gertrudis Carrillo, married Andres Diaz de Leon-Duron, 25 Mar 1743: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-26036-84?cc=1804458&wc…
Andres Diaz & Maria Carrillo were at 3o grado and required a dispensation, which I still haven't found. Since the bride's mother is also Diaz de Leon, I assumed the 3o grado was in that line, so their shared great-grandparents would be Juan Diaz and Jacinta de Sotomayor. I couldn't find any records for these individuals to verify this, but I have found some dispensas and other records, which do support it. If you've found his parents, maybe you can confirm my
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Congratulations Manny,
I have spent many hours looking for this info and never confirmed it. I suspected but had no luck. I was right in identifying his father but never could confirm it because I thought he was from the first marriage.
I thought I was wrong and you were right when I first read your email but a couple of hours later as I was taking a shower I thought about why I had originally placed him with the first wife and came up the idea that this was another time where a dispensation incorrectly places the second wife as the mother. Many years ago I had an ancestor who was incorrectly placed by many genealogist because of faulty record. When she married her stepfather was listed as her father. Her father had died when she was young and had left another child also. It was clear that after going over all the available data that she was the biological daughter of the first husband, a Martin dell Campo, and not of her mothers second husband who had raised her. Many genealogist
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Thanks, I just need to find that dispensa for Andres Diaz and Maria Carrillo - for all I know, the 3o grado might have been through the other lines! I'm still digging for it.
Up to now, I haven't done any deep research on my Diaz de Leon lines, I have no idea who the genearca in Nueva Galicia was. I have my line starting in Pinos in the early to mid-1600s, and then move around, as you mentioned. Juan Diaz and Francisca Ortega are at the top of my tree, and the only mention I have of them is in Juan Diaz & Jacinta Sotomayor's 1648 IM, in Pinos:
I. Juan Diaz de Leon, m. Francisca de Ortega
II. Juan Diaz de Leon, m. Jacinta de Sotomayor; IM Aug 1648, Pinos: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-22471-68?cc=1804458&wc…
III. Jacinto Diaz de Leon, m. Sebastiana Gil de la Mancha; m. 25 Feb 1675, Aguascalientes, PN: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30237-65?cc=1502404&…
IV. Andres Diaz de Leon, m. Dionicia Duron
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First. Juan Delgadilo is the son of Diego Delgadillo and Isabel Calderon. According to Mary Lou Montagna, Maria de la Concepcion de Yslas is the daughter of Francisco Gonzalez Martinez. Other genealogist have stated that she is the daughter of Bernardino de Yslas. Unless proven otherwise, I would go with Mary Lou's statement.
Second Agustina Rosa Delgadillo is also known as Secundina (Secuntina) de la Rosa Delgadillo. She was married on 28jul1692 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas.
Third, I don't have diego Delgadillos parents
Fourth I don't know Miguel Martnez de Alarcons parents. I believe that he is a peninsular.
I will keep looking and I will inform you if I find new data.
Many thanks for the appreciative comments,
Rick A Ricci
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Hi Manny
I just found out that the Martinez de Alarcon family sometimes used a different variation of the name and that many were known as Ruiz de Alarcon. Hopefully this information can help us go further back on the Miguel Martinez Alarcon and Josefa Bautista de Rubalcava line.
From a couple of descriptions I found of a possible relative of Miguel Martinez de Alarcon :
"Juan Ruiz de Alarcon y Mendoza (1581-1639). Mexico. Nacio en Mexico y vivio gran parte de su vida en Espana. Era hijo de Pedro Ruiz de Alarcon y Leonor de Mendoza, ambos con antepasados de la nobleza. Estudio abogacia en la Real y Pontificia Universidad de la Ciudad de Mexico y a comienzos del siglo xvii viajo a Espana donde obtuvo el titulo de bachiller de canones en la Universidad de Salamanca. Ejercio como abogado en Sevilla (1606) y regreso a Mexico a terminar sus estudios de leyes en 1608. En 1614 volvio otra vez a Espana y trabajo como relator del Consejo de Indias. Era deforme (jorobado de pecho y espalda)
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Hello R.A. Ricci and the rest of primos
There may be some relation between the Martínez de Alarcón and the Ruíz de Alarcón but if that´s true the connection must be very far away in time because I´ve done some research regarding the Ruíz de Alarcón and so far I haven´t seen any Martínez de Alarcón appearing in this family history.
The name Alarcón effectively first appears in 1177 when Fernán Martínez de Ceballos wins the fortress of Alarcón from the moors and is Awarded "señorío" over that fortress by Alfonso VIII, but he was already a member of high nobility because he was the son of Martín Fernández de Ceballos y Armengol, descendant of the Counts of Armengol , and grandson of García Ordoñez Count of Cabra and Elvira de Castilla.
Fernán Martínez de Ceballos Señor de Alarcón married his niece Elvira Ruíz Gutiérrez de Ceballos and they had a son named Rodrigo Fernández de Alarcón whose great great grandson was Martín Ruíz de alarcón 2nd Sr. de Valverde and Talayuelas who married
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To Carlos Peredo
Thank you for the information. Just as the line that descended from Rui de Alarcon took the name Ruiz de Alarcon, I believe that some of the other branches descended from Martin de Alarcon and took the last name Martinez de Alarcon. This was easy to do as they turned their ancestors first name Martin into the last name Martinez. Martin and Rui were common names in this family.
As to the jewish blood in the Velasco family, this was not always a secret as they admitted to be descendants of the house of David. Since this was considered to be Mary's family then they were allowed to state that they came from old Christian families. One of the kings addressed this issue with a statement. I believe that a church official also made a statement concerning the descent from Mary's family, the house of David. There is a long line that shows this Spanish jewish family going all the way back to the time of Mary showing them to be from the house that claimed descent from
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Hi Rick,
I'm sorry I hadn't noticed your post earlier. I've had Miguel Martinez de Alarcon & Josepha Baptista on my backburner. I do have some of their children being confirmed 16 May 1634, when Bishop Leonel Cervantes visited Teocaltiche:
Ysabel (padrino Lorenzo Alvarez)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19046-22645-3?cc=1874591&wc=…
Mariana ( m. Petronila de Siordia)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19046-22692-24?cc=1874591&wc…
Miguel (p. Lazaro Martin)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19046-22692-24?cc=1874591&wc…
Here's their son, Miguel Martinez de Alarcon, as notario nombrado on the IM for Juan Estrada & Margarita Ortega, 16 Mar 1659, Nochistlan (Jhoan Delgadillo-Calderon, Juan Yrungaray and Juan Rodriguez de Frias-Amaya are testigos):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-63155-17?cc=1874591&wc…
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Hi Rick,
In case you don't already have it, here's the 10 Jan 1729 dispensa for Joseph Diaz de Leon and Maria Dolores Lopez de la Cerda. This confirms that Joseph Diaz de Leon (m. Antonia Delgadillo) was the son of Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta Martinez de Sotomayor:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-X3F6-7?i=343&wc=12512716&c…
As for the ancestry of Miguel Martinez de Alarcon, I've been looking for the first orders of his son, Miguel, which hopefully has a limpieza de sangre, but I haven't been able to locate it.
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Hello Manny,
I did not have the 10 Jan 1729 dispensa for Joseph Diaz de Leon and Maria Dolores Lopez de la Cerda that confirms that Joseph Diaz de Leon (m. Antonia Delgadillo) was the son of Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta Martinez de Sotomayor:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-X3F6-7?i=343&wc=12512716&c…
Thank you very much for providing this final confirmation,
Rick A. Ricci
P..S. Please send me your email so that I may keep you up to date on other branches that we share that I have been working on.
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Hola primos,
I found Juan Diaz de Leon registering some mines in the San Luis Potosi registry. The mines were located in Ntra Señora de la Concepcion de Sierra de Pinos, and he mentions some other miners in the area (Jorge Leal, Diego Delgado, amongst others).
Most interesting is the date: 01 Mar 1604. We had him born around 1589 (re: IM for Gines Carrion m. Antonia Perez Mojica 22 Feb 1651), but that would make him age 15, when these were registered. So, he was either born earlier than we thought, or this is his father?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-S7DY?mode=g&i=15&wc=M…
Saludos,
Manny DIez Hermosillo
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1691-1736 Image # is 163 in Nochistlan, right hand side 3rd down.
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Gertudis is the daughter of. Of jose diaz de Leon and maria antonia delgadillo. Maria Antonia went by numerous last names including martinez de Alarcon and Gonzalez de Islas besides Delgadillo. I have confirmed that they are all the same person. Maria Antonia Delgadillo is the daughter of Juan Delgadillo and elvira Martinez de alarcon. Juan delgadillo son of juan delgadillo and maria concepcion de islas o gonzalez de Islas Renteria. Elvira is the daughter of Miguel Martinez Alarcon and Josefa Bautista de Rubalcava. The elder juan is the son of Diego delgadillo and Isabel Calderon Orosco. Josefa is the daughjter of Matheo Runbalcava and Geronima Morales
I descend from ana's sister and brother. A friend of mine descends from ana's other marriage.
Rick A Ricci
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Claudia, one source for the above info is the 19 de enero de 1727
dispensation for mg of Onofre Ruiz and Maria Manuela Alvarez (see pg 45,
last para. *Gen. de Nochistlan...*), where Gertrudis Diaz is laisted as
hija de Anotina Delgadillo, hija de Juan Delgadillo.
Raquel
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,marriage date Gertrudis Diaz De Leon and Juan Alvarez-Tostado