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Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias in his book "Genealogia de Nochistlan Antiguio Reino de la Nueva Galicia ..." provided an extract of the dispensation for Bartholome Rodrigues Baxo and his second wife, Rosa de Ulloa, in 1703.

This document is important because it mentions Petronila de Moctezuma and Martin Navarro. Both of Bartholome's wives descend from this couple, the details of which are in the dispensation.

Now, thanks to the work of Claudia Reynoso, Enrique Agraz, and (especially) Jaime Alvarado we now have direct access to it!

The dispenation is in the Diocese of Guadalajara Matrimonios 1700/1705, and begins at image 316.

Thank you very much!!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Published by Denise_Hernand… – Sun, 2012-05-06 12:34 | Permalink

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Denise Fastrup

Regarding Petronila Moctezuma,I have seen 1550 suggested as a year of birth. Where does this come from?

Elsewhere on the internet I have seen reference to a letter from Diego Sotelo (husband of Leonor Valderrama Moctezuma) to the king of Spain, regarding the inheritance of his children from their mother, in which he names Fernando, Cristofer, and Petronila. Anyone have any leads on this letter???
This is where I saw the information (genealogia de mexico, from jan 2006):

http://groups.google.com/group/genealogia-mexico/browse_thread/thread/7…

Donald Chipman, author of Moctezuma's Children, listes Fernando, Cristofer, and Ana, who became a nun (therefore I dont think she also went by the name Petronila.) Chipman also relates that Leonor's encomienda - at least the share that

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Published by Armando – Sat, 2012-04-28 17:45 | Permalink

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Hola a todos:

Aúnque han puesto la transcripción parcial de la dispensa de Bartolomé
Rodríguez Baxo y Tomasa Rosa de Ulloa que se encuentra en "Genealogia de
Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia" he hecho una transcripción
incompleta de las primeras siete páginas. Las ultimas dos contienen la
declaración de Mateo González de Rubalcava. Esta bien si alguien quiere
editar lo que no pude transcribir y terminar lo que faltó. Se encuentra la
transcripción en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/20566

Hello everyone,

Even though a partial extraction had been posted from "Genealogia de
Nochistlan Antiguio Reino de la Nueva Galicia ..." for the dispensa of
Bartolomé Rodríguez Baxo y Tomasa Rosa de Ulloa I have done an incomplete
one of my own of the first seven pages. If anyone wants to edit what I have
and finish what's missing that would great. The transcription is at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/20566

Saludos
Armando

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, wrote:

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Published by jgmarentes – Fri, 2011-11-25 23:13 | Permalink

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Thank you Claudia, Enrique & Jaime for your dedication in helping the families of Nuestros Ranchos! The connection to our ancestors, Martin Navarro and Petronilla de Moctezume, in this dispensation makes it such a treasure to so very many researchers. However, I find some of this document difficult to understand. I know this is a lot to ask (since there are several pages), but would anyone be willing to translate it into English?

With great appreciation for this group!
Judith Marentes
Plano, Texas

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Some portions of the document were extracted in "Genealogia de Nochistlan." Parts of this document are a challenge to read. Following are the portions that were extracted:

27 September 1703, Nochistlán
Bartolomé Ros Baxo vesino de la Billa de aquacalientes en la sieneguila, Viudo de teresa ponse para el matrimonio que pretnedo contraer con doña Thomasa Rosa de Ullóa (de beinte y tres años de edad), besina de esta Jurisdision, yja lexítima del Capptán po de Ullóa y márquez y de da Josepa de sepúlveda y Roxas que habiendo rsultado un impedimento de parentesco de quarto grado de afinidad entre mí y la dha Tomasa Rosa de Ullóa.

Se presentaron como testigos: el Cappn Casimiro Lópes de lara, español vesino destte dho pueblo quién declaró que conoce a la dha da Thomasa Roza de Ullóa abra tiempo de veinte y dos años o beinte i tres y que a su parecer tendrá treinta y tres años y que a lo menos sube se los treinta porque en aquel tiempo tendría como ocho o dies años y que el dho pedro de

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George,

This is a great find. I find it suprisingly odd that many did not believe Petronila de Moctezuma existed at all. Proof has always been there. The ultimate find would be the marriage record of Petronila de Moctezuma and Martin "el Navarro" de Gabay that is said to exist. It has probably been lost in the Mexico City archives which consists of several kilometers of documentation.

I descend from Nicolas Rodriguez Ponce and his second wife Catalina Velazquez de Anguiano (who was from Ixtlan, Michoacan d/o Diego Matoso and Luisa de Alfaro) through their son Joseph Rodriguez Ponce whose son married into the Martinez de Sotomayor family. Nicolas was son of Capt. Francisco Rodriguez Ponce who was a miner in the Real de Asientos and Juana de Siordia. The Rodriguez Ponce also Rodriguez Ponce de Leon were from Lepe, Condado de Aramonte, Huelva, Andalucia, Spain. In case these details help anyone.

Also, do you have any more details on Alonso de Ulloa y Marquez and Juana Munoz de

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Daniel,
Si no tenias la transcripcion del testamento de Juana de Siordia, te va interesar ya que hace referencia a su hijo Nicolas Rodriguez Ponce. Es curioso como establece en el documento instrucciones para proteger la herencia de Nicolas de su media hermana Bernarda Salado y de los hijos de esta.

Saludos

Jaime Alvarado

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Gracias George, al ver esta dispensa ya no me queda duda que Petronila
Moctezuma existio.

Gracias tambien a todos los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos por la ayuda
que me han dado en formar mi arbol genealogico

El 24/11/2011 06:53 p.m., migueltran@gmail.com escribió:
> Igualmente me uno al agradecimiento. Aqui el enlace a la pagina donde
> se menciona dicha pareja
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-19648-67?cc=1874591&wc…
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> Miguel Beltran

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Todos los honores y agracedimientos se los debemos a Claudia Casillas. Mil gracias por tu trabajo desinteresado.

All honors and thanks should go to Claudia Casillas. Thanks for your uselfish efforts.

Jaime

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Me uno a la felicitación por tan importante descubrimiento, de gran utilidad para todos los que descendemos de Petronila de Moctezuma y Martin Navarro
Luis Núñez Gornés

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The following would be of interest to other descendants of Petronila Moctezuma.

Otra referencia al apellido Moctezuma, se encuentra en el testamento de Juana de Siordia, nieta de Petronila, al referirse a su madre como Maria Gabai Moctezuma. Incluyo la transcripcion que hice de su testamento que se encuentra en el Archivo Historico del Gobierno de Aguascalientes.

Another reference to the surname Moctezuma apears in the last will of Juana de Siordia, grandaughter of Petronila, where she refers to her mother Maria Gabai Moctezuma. Below is the transcription I made of her will that can be located in the "Archivo Historico de Aguascalientes".

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

Nota: La transcripcion siguiente mantiene el orden de cada linea asi como la ortografia orginal del documento.

(Margen Superior) testamento de Doña Ju(an)a de Siordia.
(Sello) En quartillo
SELLO QVUARTO, UN QVAR
TILLO, AñOS DE MIL Y SEIS
CIENTOSYSESENTA Y SESEN
TA Y UNO.
(MARGEN DERECHO) PN 1/2
16
En_el

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Would any of you, PRIMOS, check this on the second page (I believe it has a number 4)of the same document (from Bartolome Bajo), on the seventh line going down when it says Martin Navarro and Petronila de Montezuma "son los padres legitimos de ... .." does it say Ana Maria o Fca Maria gabay...??? or am I just imagining it?//
Bertha Alicia Casanova