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Hola Primos

I am asking for you expertise on the following; I have been looking all over for information regarding Martin de Esparza and Juan De Esparza (father and son). Juan de Esparza got married in Aguascalientes in 1752 with Ana Gertrudis Alonso De Los Hinojos (daughter of Manuel Alonso De Los Hinojos and Ma. Efigenia Ramirez). Juan de Esparza's parents were; Martin De Esparza and Manuela Preciado according to Juan's marriage record. Martin and Manuela had another son named Manuel Martin who was born in 1706 and died in 1790, there is a Juan Joseph Martin De Esparza in the Family search record, but it says "En El Sagrario Antes De La Asuncion" and I can't figure out how to get that record (What does Antes de la Asuncion means?). Now, if Juan De Esparza was married in 1752, I figure that he must have been born around 1724-1730. His marriage record establishes that he was from Calvillo and his son Joseph Santiago De Esparza married to Maria Munoz De La Barba in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco on 1791 was from the Villa De Aguascalientes. There are around four different Juanes in that same time period but only two from the Aguascalientes area the other two are from Cienega de Mata Ojuelos and Guanajuato and their mother was a Maria Concepcion not a Manuela. Which creates another problem since in 1731 a Jacinto Martin Esparza married to a Manuela de Luarca or Alorca (their son Manuel Martin died in 7 August 1748), There is a "De Esparza married to a Manuela De La Cruz which had a son named Po Juan De Esparza Cruz on 10 May 1725, and another Xacinto Martin De Esparza married to a Manuela de Los Reies on 18 August 1709. Now if Manuel Martin, Martin De Esparza and Manuela Preciado's son was born in 1706 according to his death record, that puts his parents birth around the 1675-1685's and the only Martins on that time period are Martin Ruiz De Esparza y Sotelo de Xaen and/or Xacinto Martin De Esparza (Matiana De Esparza with Alonso Martin), or were there any other Martin around that same time period? I will appreciate it very much if any of you could give me any information or any guide as to what should I do to resolve these missing links in order to complete my connection to the patriarch Lope Ruiz De Esparza. In advance I thank you.

Published by Armando – Sat, 2011-12-03 18:15 | Permalink

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Bertha,

A lot of the records that say Del Sagrario,​ Antes de la Asuncion,
Aguascalientes also say Cieneguilla,​ Aguascalientes,​ Mexico and they also
show a source film number of 299530. In the familysearch site under
Aguascalientes there is a page of films for Sagrario (Incluye Hacienda de
Cieneguilla). I went into one of those films and did a search of one of the
names found in it and confirmed the record shows up as being in 299530. I
brought this up since it can be a way to identify the Aguascalientes
volumes since they don't have the film number on the first page. The record
for Juan Joseph de Esparza is at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11662-70238-21?cc=1410092&…

Saludos
Armando

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:40 AM, wrote:

> Hola Primos
> I am asking for you expertise on the following; I have been looking all
> over for information regarding Martin de Esparza and Juan De Esparza
> (father and son). Juan de Esparza got married in Aguascalientes in 1752
>

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Published by mendezdetorres – Fri, 2011-12-02 23:15 | Permalink

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Hi Bertha,

Congrats on getting this far on your Ruíz de Esparza line. I descend from Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos and María Efigenia Ramírez aka Martínez de Alarcón or Martín-Alarcón. Would you happen to have the parents of María Inés Muñoz de la Barba, who married Joseph Santiago Ruíz de Esparza? I take it you descend from the Yahualica line of the Ruíz de Esparza. Santiago and Inés lived in various locations, Jalostotitlán, Aguascalientes, Yahualica, etc.

As far as Martín Ruíz de Esparza and Manuela Preciado, I have nothing beyond this point. We need to locate a document, perhaps a final will and testament, or a death record for this Martín. “Antes de la Asunción” basically means originally the parish was formally known as “Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de la Asunción de María de Aguascalientes” not sure why the extractors did this, it can cause confusion if someone is not informed on history.

Right now, I am wondering if Manuela perhaps is a relative of the Preciado de

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Bertha Alicia Casanova
Hi Daniel,
Thank yo so much for that information. The parents of Maria (Ines?) Munoz de la Barba were Estevan Munoz de la Barba and Juana Gertrudis Perez Gallo. Estevans' parents were; Francisco Munoz de la Barba and Joachina Casillas. Juana Gertrudis' parents were; Josef Perez Gallo and Angela Fernandez. I believe Estevan was related to Ygnacio Munoz de la Barba and Ma. De Dolores Munoz ... since these two were the witneses in their wedding. As far as Maria (Ines) is concerned, I could not find her birth record for the longest time but recently I found, or I believe it has to be her; a Maria (Ruth) Munoz de la Barra baptized on (16 Jan 1775)so it must have been a mistake on the name.
My Esparza line was mostly from Yahualica, Ixtlahuacan, Cuquio and by the 1800's many of them moved to the Moyahua/Palmarejo Area in Zacatecas.

In re; to Manuela Preciado, I found a Nicolas Preciado married to a Maria De la cruz in April 10, 1684 but can not find any of

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Hi Bertha,

Manuel was the son of (according to the Marriage Information taken on 7 Jan 1722) Bartolomé Alonso de los Hinojos and Juana de Amador residents of Santa María de los Lagos. I believe Bartolomé would have died in Lagos de Moreno and born in Aguascalientes. I do not know who his parents were, but keep in mind they were born in the mid XVII century. (Without proof) he was probably the son of Juan Alonso de los Hinojos and Isabel Ramírez who married in Santa María de los Lagos on 22 May 1652. I still need to verify and prove this link. Juana’s parents were Gabriel Gallegos and Juliana Gutiérrez Guerrero. This Amador/Gutiérrez Guerrero family was studied by Mariano González-Leal. I still do not know how Amador fits in.

I descend from Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos, twice in the following manner vía my mother. My maternal grandparents are second cousins, in the third degree of consanguinity as great-grandchildren of D. Mariano de Camino y Martínez de Sotomayor.

I.

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Thanks again for the information. It is nice to know that we are "primos" after all. I have another question for you. I have found several discrepancies on the birth or marriage certificates of our ancestors. For instance; in the birth certificate of Catharina de Esparza born Dic. 1, 1755 she was categorized as "Española Castiza" and next to her legit... parents; Juan de Esparza ("coyote") was written and after Gertrudis Alonso de los Hinojos; "Espanoles" in plural. When my GGGG-grandparent Joseph Santiago was baptized on Feb. 5 1760, Joseph Santiago and his parents were categorized as "Españoles" just as it was when they got married on Abr. 10, 1752, but when Ana Getrudis Alonso died on Ago. 31, 1790, "India " was written next to her name. It shows that she was the wife of Juan de Esparza and daughter of Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos but why would they have put india next to her if all the previous records she was categorized as "Española"? I would understand "Castiza" or even

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Bertha,
Regarding some of your ancestors appearing as 'indios' instead of the 'expected caste' based on the levels of admixture between racial groups, is not uncommon. Remember, the priest would assess and decide to which group the child, the bride or the groom, belong to based upon physical atributes (skin color, type and color hair, eye shape, etc.), not upon the actual pedigree. Several years ago we discussed this briefly in NR and gave examples how for the same couple the children would be indios, mestizos, coyotes, lobos, and mulatos.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

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Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Hi primos,

Looking in Tlatenango´s records I found the death of Juana Eugenia de Esparza daugther of Miguel de Esparza and Petrona Lopez who where in Tlatenango when Juana Eugenia died. This is the link

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15268-39789-9?cc=1410092&wc=…

Page 373 June 19th,1747

I hope this will be useful in your search.

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Daniel,

What is your source for "Alonso Martín Mateos son of Diego Martín Mateos and Teresa de las Ruelas and Matiana Ruiz de Esparza daughter of Pedro Ruíz de Esparza and Juana Lozano".

I am at brick wall for the parents of Alonzo Martin Mateos and Matiana Ruiz de Esparza. I havent been able to locate any dispensas pertaining to the couple, they didnt leave wills in the Aguascaliente online archive, and no parents listed on the marriage record.

Any info you can provide would be much appreciated.

Thank you!

Alex