Luciano Lomellini is named in a will of his brother Napoleone Lomellini in 1587.
They are the sons of Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini and Caterina Spinola
Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini is the son of Goffredo Lomellini and one of his two wives
Goffredo Lomellini was married twice, first to Bartolommea Fiesco (daughter of Giacomo Fiesco) and secondly to Novella Cicala ( daughter of Simone Cicala)
Luciano Lomellini is mostly likely born c 1555
There is a Giacomo Fiesco that is a viceroy of Naples and is the father of Saint Catherine of Genoa. I have not confirmed that they are the same Giacomo Fiesco.
Luciano Lomellini Spinola , one of the two primary candidates to be Luis Lomellin who traveled and lived in Mexico is a sixth cousin of Christopher Colombus. There are other relationships but this is the closest that I have calculated so far.
Through another of Luciano Lomellini Spinola family line, he is a sixth cousin to Christopher Colombus's stepmother (Bartolommeo Colon's biological mother)
There is a much closer relationship that needs much more explanation as to its veracity than there is room here. There are numerous chapters explaining how this is possible in the book that I am presently writing. This book will be published soon.
The more I research the possible Luis Lomellini candidates, the more connections I find between Christopher Colombus and the Lomellini/Spinola families of Genoa/Portugal
R A Ricci
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The Lomelin subject is getting serious now--this is really good. What we need to do is gather all this information and combine it with what Steven Hernandez Lopez found and continue to go forward. We need to start piecing things together and find the irrefutable documents to establish the Lomelin family of Mexico with that of the Noble House of Genoa. Interesting enough, I am also related to the Spinola family on a different line, I also wonder if the Sicala mentioned above is related to my Diego di Sicala ancestor who was a master organist and settled in Guadalajara in the XVIII century, he later changed his name to Sigala. He married Ana Maria de Paz y Castro in Guadalajara on 11 Feb 1619 son of Antonio di Sicala and Rosa di Palas natives of Naples.
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
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Please send me your Spinola line and I can tell you how it connects to what I am working on. I sent an email Steven Hernandez Lopez just yesterday.
R.A.Ricci
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I think there is an actor surnamed Segal who speaks Spanish. Maybe he is also a descendant?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 23:58:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luciano Lomellini.
>
> The Lomelin subject is getting serious now--this is really good. What we need to do is gather all this information and combine it with what Steven Hernandez Lopez found and continue to go forward. We need to start piecing things together and find the irrefutable documents to establish the Lomelin family of Mexico with that of the Noble House of Genoa. Interesting enough, I am also related to the Spinola family on a different line, I also wonder if the Sicala mentioned above is related to my Diego di Sicala ancestor who was a master organist and settled in Guadalajara in the XVIII century, he later changed his name to Sigala. He married Ana Maria de Paz y Castro in Guadalajara on 11 Feb 1619 son of
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Emilie,
My 4th Great grandmother was Maria Rafaela Sigala, Duran, from Hacienda de
Tlachichila in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, but I haven't done much research on
this branch of my family. She married Jose Rafael Olmos Ruiz also from
Hacienda de Tlachichila on 5 Junio, 1815.
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
> I think there is an actor surnamed Segal who speaks Spanish. Maybe he is
> also a descendant?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 23:58:17 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luciano Lomellini.
> >
> > The Lomelin subject is getting serious now--this is really good. What we
> need to do is gather all this information and combine it with what Steven
> Hernandez Lopez found and continue to go forward. We need to start piecing
> things together and find the irrefutable documents to establish the Lomelin
> family of Mexico with that of the Noble House of Genoa
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I've looked into this person and cannot find much information on him. Where can I look to get past his parents Antonio and Rosa? I'd like to see where this branch extends. I am related through the Camarena branch.
Regards,
Vanessa
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The probable and possible Luis Lomeli are all named Luciano Lomellini. Not one of them is named Luigi Lomellini.
R A Ricci
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The probable and possible Luis Lomeli are all named Luciano Lomellini. Not one of them is named Luigi Lomellini
The Lomellini family of the 13th,14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, and 18 th centuries, names some women Luigia but did not call the men Luigi. The Italian versions of Luis during this time period, among the Lomellini were Luciano, Luchino, Luchetto, and Luca. There were many named Luciano Lomellini.
There are two Luigi Lomellini in the 19th century. They are first cousins. There is one Luigi Lomellini in the fifteenth century that cannot be our Luis Lomelin.
R A Ricci
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Even though Carlo Lomellini and Luciano Lomellini Spinola are fourth cousins, they both have close family, second cousins and uncles that are in contact with each other's more immediate family. Their families both share business interests with Marco Lomellini Lomellini. Marco Lomellini had children that through marriage continued bringing separate branches of Lomellini together.
Marco Lomellini e Lomellini descends through his mothers branch of Lomellini from Napoleone Lomellini and Teodora di Negro.
This is also the closest relationship that fourth cousins Carlo and Luciano have. Before Napoleone Lomellini, the Lomellini families had some money but Napoleone was the first extremely wealthy Lomellini. Napoleons sons were involved in his business transactions and had to follow the rules left in his will. The original will is no longer in existence but transcriptions of it still exist. The directives in the will were meant to keep the family together. Working together and sharing in
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Carlos Peredo
I just saw a document in PARES dated ago-16th-1541 where Juan Antonio Brambilla is given permission to bring two black slaves to Indias, and in the same document another Genovese : Tolomeo Spindola "Ginovese" is given the same permission for another two slaves.
I guess this is nothing new but confirms that some of this "American" Genoveses were not unfamiliar with slave trade, and that they had the means to do that.
Regards
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Carlos Peredo
Also in PARES there is a document dated 1538-5-3 in Valladolid ordering that the 25,000 ducados that Francisco Lomelí (ó Lomelín), Genovés be coined immediately.
By the way, the master person charged with the "coinage" and all things related to precious metals in México City at that time was a "Membrilla" who was designated directly by the King (this document is also in PARES) , this "Membrilla" was probably another Genovese.
Regards
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Carlos Peredo
The document that covers the 25,000 ducados that Francisco de Lomelín brings is not shown in PARES, but reading again the record about that document I now understand that the gold was to be coined in Burgos, not in Mexico City, so that Gold may have been from The Indias mines
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Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez I am descendant Don Juan Antonio Brambila as many of our friends. around here. would be so kind as to tell me where or how? I can search on this topic. of Pares
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Carlos Peredo
Estimado Ignacio,
Desafortunadamnete no poseo mucha información sobre los Brambila. En PARES, como lo he mencionado hay alhunos documentos sobre dicho apellido.
El link para acceder al portal de entrada de PARES es el siguiente:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=0, y por ejemplo, el link para ver el récord referente al permiso que recibe Juan Antonio de Brambila para llevar dos esclavos a las Indias es el siguiente :
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=2&tx…
Sin embargo, al parecer el portal de PARES hace que los links no puedan ser accedidos después de lagunos minutos de haberse usado y caducan, así que lo recomendable es acceder por la carátula del primer link, llenar el formulario de busqueda y así revisar los resultados que se vayan obteniendo.
Al momento lo que yo tengo sobre ese apellido es :
Que dicho Juan antonio Brambila debió llegar a las Indias alrededor de la fecha en que
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Señor Carlos Peredo por su atención y generosidad cualquier detalle cuenta y se lo agradezco sinceramente que tenga una excelente semana .
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Luis and Carlos Lomelin and their immediate descendants in Mexico never shortened their name to Lomeli.
They shortened it to Lomelin. I, like many other genealogist, occasionally erroneously call them Lomeli. By the middle of the 20th century, most of the descendents have changed the name to Lomeli but this was not true in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries.
R A Ricci
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Does anybody know of any books with information on Luis Lomelin?
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St. Catherine of Genoa is the daughter of Giacomo Fiesco and Francesca di Negro. Some times St Catherine's mother is listed as Adorno but I do not know if this is a mistake or if Francesca went by two last names. St Catherine was married to an Adorno which may have contributed to the confusion.
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St Catherine' of Genoa has a grandmother named Margharita Adorno
R.A.Ricci
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Luciano Lomellini. Spinola (1)