Hola a todos!
Pido información sobre las familias Acosta y Pedroza. Hay alguien en el grupo que tenga documentación adicional sobre la ascendencia de don Francisco De Acosta, y su esposa, doña Teresa De Pedroza. Es probable que se hayan casado en Aguascalientes.
Yo desciendo de esta pareja por sus hija María Micaela De Acosta, quien casó con José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo en Aguascalientes. Casaron el 16 de agosto de 1769.
Paige
I was the other person related to Francisco Acosta and Teresa Pedrosa
through my 4xGGrandfather Nazario Ponce, the Grandson of Micaela Pedroza.
If someone finds out who there parents are please let me know.
Mia
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> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
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> Hi?Paige and Armando
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> I?actually don't have a lot of time to?really get into this discussion
> because I have to be?in homeroom shortly, Plus I?also don?t know who the
> parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or Do?a Theresa de Pedroza are, but they
> are my 7th great grandparents, and I thought I?d?mention I?ve asked about
> this couple before and never received a response, so, I think you?re
> message worked, I?m just not sure anyone in the group has any information
> on who their parents might be. I think
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Thank you both. I understand the dispensa process much better than I did a month ago and I believe those are located in the información matrimonial? But, are there clues in the basic marriage records on Family Search that would suggest there is a dispensa available? Are there specific clues to look for?
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> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
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> Hi?Paige and Armando
> I?actually don't have a lot of time to?really get into this discussion because I have to be?in homeroom shortly, Plus I?also don?t know who the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or
> Do?a Theresa de Pedroza are, but they are my 7th great grandparents, and I thought I?d?mention I?ve asked about this couple before and never received a response, so, I think you?re message worked, I?m just not sure anyone in the group has any information on who their parents
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Hi Paige,
Yeah it will say on the marriage record whether a dispensa
is required. Here is an example from the Diaz de Leon/Carrillo marriage I was
just recently looking at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-26036-84?cc=1804458&wc…
You can see that the impediment here that requires a
dispensa is for third degree of consanguinity, which I think makes them second
cousins. It’s because of that blood relationship between them that they’re
required to request a dispensa from the Archbishop of Guadalajara to be allowed
to marry.
Also, since I last looked at the baptism of Doña Michaela de Acosta and Don Joseph Tomas Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo’s children, I found two
more children, so I think they must’ve had about 13 children, although, I’m not
sure how many survived to be adults.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11662-71238-3?cc=1502404&w…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11772-45946-60?cc
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Hi Alicia,
I descend from them on my mother's side, so I don't know whether it would solve the puzzle. Plus, I descend from the other Pedroza's and Acosta's on my father's side and I'm not familiar enough with DNA to know whether it would help or whether my other Acosta and Pedroza connections would just confuse the situation. Armando probably could better answer that question.
Chris
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From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Have any of you who believe you descend from this paternal and maternal
lineage, ever considered taking dna tests to see if you're connected by DNA?
Alicia
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From: IChristopher
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:01 AM
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Hi Paige and Armando
I actually don't have a lot of time to really get into this
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Chris, there have been people that have been successful at triangulating on
ancestors that aren't from a direct paternal or maternal line using the
Family Finder autosomal DNA test at FamilyTreeDNA. Autosomal DNA is
inherited from multiple ancestors, not just those on the direct paternal or
maternal lines. Unfortunately there are no success stories for anyone in
our region, that I know of, that have identified a missing ancestor by
triangulating with autosomal DNA. This is because of missing documentation,
missing gedcoms, and too few participants. Due to that and since it seems
your ancestry does not include the missing ancestors on your direct
maternal or paternal side you are correct that DNA testing probably won't
help you in this specific case.
If you were to get Y-DNA and mtDNA tests you could possibly help others
identify ancestors since you seem to have well documented ancestry. There
have been multiple success stories of people with a brick wall in their
paternal line being
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Armando,
Thanks for the information. I knew you'd have the answer. I hadn't really thought about taking the DNA test before, but, if it can help others, maybe I will. But, my dad died a long time ago though, so only I'd be able to take it. Regarding finding ancestor matches of a different surname, I do think that would be the case. I have seen a few instances on the Cuellar side where it seems they assumed that name over the actual paternal name. As an example Juan Crisostomo de Cuellar married Maria Raphaela del Refugio Alonso and gave the Cuellar name to his descendants, but as you can see from this baptism of one of his children https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-24706-50?cc=1874591&wc…
his fathers name is actually Perez and it's his mothers name that he uses. I'm aware of at least a few other surname changes too. Regarding, Indian ancestry, does it break it down among specific Indian groups like Caxcanes, Zacatecos, etc.?
Chris
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Chris,
The example is one reason surnames change. There are also cases of hijos
naturales or hijos de padres no conocidos where the child is given a random
surname or that of the owner of the ranch, or the surname of the family
that raised the child.
Is the example you provided from your direct paternal line? If it is there
is a possibility you will match one of the people that have already tested
the Y-DNA line.
No, the Indian ancestry is not broken up into individual groups for our
region. The groups they tested and compare us against in any of the
calculators comes from the Human Genetic Diversity Project at the
University of Stanford by Li et al. and the populations are Maya, Pima,
Colombian, Karitiana, and Surui. Some of the autosomal SNP markers that we
carry are more common in Colombians than Mayans and some of us get labeled
as being part Colombian even though our Indian ancestors have always been
in Mexico. This means that some of our ancestors had descendants that went
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Hi Armando,
Yes, that is from my paternal side. It seems very interesting, especially learning about my Native American ancestry. I'll definitely read over all the material you provided.
Chris
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From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Chris,
The example is one reason surnames change. There are also cases of hijos
naturales or hijos de padres no conocidos where the child is given a random
surname or that of the owner of the ranch, or the surname of the family
that raised the child.
Is the example you provided from your direct paternal line? If it is there
is a possibility you will match one of the people that have already tested
the Y-DNA line.
No, the Indian ancestry is not broken up into individual groups for our
region. The groups they tested and compare us against in any of the
calculators comes from the Human Genetic Diversity Project at the
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Hello everyone,
I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, doña Teresa De Pedroza. They probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769.
Paige
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Hello Paige,
The marriage record of José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo at El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769 shows him
marrying Michaela de Pedroza hija natural de María Teresa de Pedroza.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
do you know that her father was Francisco de Acosta? Since the mother
wasn't mentioned as being married there is probably not a marriage record,
información matrimonial record, or dispensa that will allow you do
determine the parents of either Francisco de Acosta or Teresa de Pedrosa.
You might end up having to search for a dispensa of descendants of José
Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo and Micaela de Pedroza/Acosta to find
the grandparents of Micaela.
Armando
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of
don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, doña Teresa De Pedroza. They
probably married around 1750 in
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Hi Paige and Armando
I actually don't have a lot of time to really get into this discussion because I have to be in homeroom shortly, Plus I also don’t know who the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or
Doña Theresa de Pedroza are, but they are my 7th great grandparents,
and I thought I’d mention I’ve asked about this couple before and never
received a response, so, I think you’re message worked, I’m just not sure
anyone in the group has any information on who their parents might be. I think
many people in the forum are connected to the Gonzalez de Hermosillo’s, but I
only remember one other person mention this specific line before and they were
new too. Hopefully, maybe you can find something I haven’t been able to. But, I also am pretty sure Don Francisco de Acosta was never married to Doña Theresa de
Pedroza. Armando is right, both the marriage and the Información Matrimonial for
Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo and Doña Michaela de Acosta y
Pedroza, list Michaela de
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Have any of you who believe you descend from this paternal and maternal
lineage, ever considered taking dna tests to see if you're connected by DNA?
Alicia
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:01 AM, IChristopher
wrote:
> Hi Paige and Armando
> I actually don't have a lot of time to really get into this discussion
> because I have to be in homeroom shortly, Plus I also don't know who the
> parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or
> Doña Theresa de Pedroza are, but they are my 7th great grandparents,
> and I thought I'd mention I've asked about this couple before and never
> received a response, so, I think you're message worked, I'm just not sure
> anyone in the group has any information on who their parents might be. I
> think
> many people in the forum are connected to the Gonzalez de Hermosillo's,
> but I
> only remember one other person mention this specific line before and they
> were
> new too. Hopefully, maybe you can find something I haven't been able to.
> But, I also am pretty sure Don
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