Following up and branching off from Nuestros Ranchos thread http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18719?page=1
I thought this merited FRONT PAGE NEWS.
In that thread, Sr. Alex Mercado said he "just stumbled upon a marriage record for a Francisco Gutierrez married to a Juana Lomelin https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-1165-18?cc=1874591&wc=…
He said he was finding a lot of Guadalajara marriage records in this set 1640's - mid 1650's, which indeed there are and none which are searchable on FamilySearch.org.
In fact let me just re-post these last couple entries of the above mentioned thread
Thank you very much for sharing.
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Wonderful job Luigi (aka Alex Mercado)...WOW!!!!
You indeed found the marriage of Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Hermosillo and Juana de Lomelín, ancestors to many of us!!! I am stunned...jaw on the floor.
I verified the date, 21 Nov 1652, and it fits. Records indicate that Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Hermosillo and Juana de Lomelín began having children right around 1651-1652. We will have to re-calculate the ages of their children in light of this very concrete marriage date, 21 November 1652.
Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Hermosillo and Juana de Lomelín - 21 Noviembre 1652, Guadalajara
"Fran.co gutiéres, doña Ju.a Lomelín ----- En veinte y vno de noviembre de Sinqu.ta y dos su señoría Yllustríssima desposó y veló, a Fran.co gutiérres Y a doña Juana Lomelí Y assistí Yo al dicho oficio, testigos don Fran.co rincón Y don manuel gallardo. . . . Fran.co Gallegos (rúbrica) Sacristán m.or "
Fuente: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979, Guadalajara, Sagrario Metropolitano, Defunciones 1641-1730 [Image 67 of 733]
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-1165-18?cc=1874591&wc=…
I immediately began to transcribe it, copy the source, download the image, and insert the data and image in my family tree. Unfortunately, literally no valuable data can be gleaned from the meager record. It does not mention where they were from or even the fact that Juana was the widow of Rodrigo de Carbajal. Nothing!
Then I searched this marriage document in FamilySearch.org and nothing. So the marriages located amongst these burials are not on the FamilySearch database. We're going to have to go fishing.
Muchas muchas gracias
Tu primo Paco
Steven Francisco Hernández Gamiño y López de los Reyes
hank you very much for this valuable information, I am descended from his son Lazaro and Ines de la Mora or Samora not stop us this good news.
Cheers
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Hello everyone, it's me again.
Sorry to be posting so much lately, but it's summer and this year I have been researching and documenting the various sources in one of my Gutiérrez Rubio and González de Hermosillo lines. My summer project began by searching through the early burials of San Juan de los Lagos, which sifted over to Jalostotitlán. I was, and still kind of am, "old school, I had researched these years ago on Microfilms way back when you had to actually go to a Family History Center and order them from Salt Lake City and were available for only a couple of weeks, unless you renewed them long-term. I would record dates, names, places, and sources, but for the volume of Microfilms and towns and years, but I couldn't get all the copies of everything I wanted. But since the Microfilms were made available online some years back, I have been busy researching in a myriad of towns gathering sources, when I have time on vacation.
Since these are some of the most prominent
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Great job primo Estevan, you set a great example in your attention to
details such as citing your sources, checking, double checking and triple
checking and sharing your findings with those who want and need to know.
My hat off to you and your extreme patience and diligence!!
Felicidades por tu gran esfuerzo y tus grandes logros.
Alicia
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:52 PM, wrote:
> Hello everyone, it's me again. Sorry to be posting so much lately, but it's
> summer and this year I have been researching and documenting the various
> sources in one of my Gutiérrez Rubio and González de Hermosillo lines. My
> summer project began by searching through the early burials of San Juan de
> los Lagos, which sifted over to Jalostotitlán. I was, and still kind of am,
> "old school, I had researched these years ago on Microfilms way back when
> you
> had to actually go to a Family History Center and order them from Salt Lake
> City and were available for only a couple of weeks, unless you renewed
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You are welcome Alicia!! I do what I can to help, following the example of others in hopes others will follow my example.
I have had many serious setbacks in my genealogy over the past few years and I am having to rebuild what I have lost, which has caused my relative absence from Nuestros Ranchos. It seems that despite my gains, I haven't moved forward. It feels like two steps forward, one step back. So sharing is part of my new process as I slowly regain what was taken.
Just hope this info is truly appreciated by our common cousins and gets discussions going here in Nuestros Ranchos.
SFHL
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Dear primo Steven
it is always a pleasure to read your pieces of research, they are always so clear and important that I think we all thank you very much for that and for your generosity in sharing your time and your knowledge.
Now that we are here trying to figure out the lines of the Placencia, the Aceves and the Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, I think one good line of investigation could be to try to find why in the Padrones of 1649,1650 we see that in the house of Leonor de Hermosillo were living ,among other personas, her nephew Juan de Aceves and her niece Catalina de Mejía , and they are called "hijos de Juan de Aceves y Beatríz de Hermosillo" ?
I think it is very important to find why one of the children was an outright "Aceves", and why his sister was a "Mejía" ?
Another interesting line to set clear (maybe it is clear already but I don´t have it)is :
Who were the parents of Sebastián Gutiérrez de Hermosillo (born around 1630), who married around 1655 to María Rodríguez
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Hola primos...
Me da gusto que mi trabajo es realmente apreciado. Muchas gracias primo Carlos.
Thanks to everybody who keep the discussions alive and seriously contribute to the growth of understanding. Posting helps my writing process (for the various books I have in the works and plans for) and makes me aware I should be more clear and precise to avoid any doubts or questions in readers minds. And you're right Alicia, I do double and triple check my work. You know me well.
One of my books will be a set of monographs in the style of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia dedicated to whole families that got left out. I shared a lot of info to Don Mariano González-Leal from my Arandas and Ayo el Chico research for his book, but I want to be more than just a footnote in his books, and write my own. Don Mariano did not include whole families and lineages in his massive opus. As Guillermo Tovar de Teresa once pointed out before he passed away, Retoños is so huge and despite its
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I would like to purchase this book when you have it printed. Will you let
me know?
Thank you.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:42 PM, wrote:
> Hola primos... Me da gusto que mi trabajo es realmente apreciado. Muchas
> gracias primo Carlos. Thanks to everybody who keep the discussions alive
> and
> seriously contribute to the growth of understanding. Posting helps my
> writing
> process (for the various books I have in the works and plans for) and makes
> me aware I should be more clear and precise to avoid any doubts or
> questions
> in readers minds. And you're right Alicia, I do double and triple check my
> work. You know me well. One of my books will be a set of monographs in the
> style of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia dedicated to whole families
> that got left out. I shared a lot of info to Don Mariano González-Leal from
> my Arandas and Ayo el Chico research for his book, but I want to be more
> than
> just a footnote in his books, and write my own. Don Mariano did not
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Dear Steve,
Is Pedro Ledesma el comendador the same Pedro Ledesma that is married to Isabel Grado? Or is Pedro Ledesma and Isabel Grados son known as el comendador? I recall reading that the de la torre Ledesma descend from Pedro Ledesma el comendador but I don't remember where I read this.
Thanks,
Rick A Ricci
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Dear Steve,
Sorry about the question in the last post. Pedro de Ledesma married to to Catalina Mejia cannot be the Pedro Ledesma el comendador. The Pedro Ledesma el comendador is living in the 1400's.
the Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado is not pedro Ledesma el comendador. If all the little puzzles that I put together are accurate then Pedro Ledesma el comendador is most likely the great grandfather of the Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado.
The family descent from the Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado is shown here in nuestro ranchos. I have put together the ancestral line of Pedro Ledesma el comendador with documented sources.
Due to my notes, I feel comfortable placing "Pedro Ledesma el comendador" as the great grandfather of our Pedro Ledesma This ancestral tree places him as cousin to an ancestor of the Rodriguez de Hijar family therefore adding to the family connections of the first families of los altos de Jalisco also being related in Spain before coming
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Steven
I have only just started digesting all of this information. I have a few questions.
In the image you posted above pertaining to Benito Munoz de la Barba and Estefania Quesada, Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo, 60 years old (1622), and Pedro Gutierrez, 59 years old (1623), both state that Catalina Gonzalez is their aunt. Im guessing Juan and Pedro are the children of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo who married Ana Gonzalez Florida. Would that make Catalina Gonzalez the sister of Ana Gonzalez Florida and Miguel Gutierrez (m Leonor Hermosillo).
I also see that you say Pedro Gutierrez is the son of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and his sister in law. I am very interested in any information you have regarding Pedro as I am a direct descendant of everyone in this post ha!
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gracias