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I have been trying to figure out who the parents of Petronila de Retamosa Macias Valades Gonzalez de Gardea are and still have no real clue. Petronila was married to Joseph Lozano in Teocaltiche 23 February 1666. All other information on her comes from baptism, marriage, info mat., wills, and burials of her children in Aguascalientes. In each record she is listed with a different combination of surnames.

Considering Petronila’s Mestiza/Tresalba status, I am under the impression that she may be a natural daughter of an Espanol father just as her mestizo husband Joseph Lozano was.

Her use of Gonzalez and Gardea hint that she may be descended from Martin Perez de Gardea and his wife Mariana Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba in some way but I am not certain of this. Her use of Macias and Retamosa suggest that she must be descended from Nicolas Macias Valades and his wife Leonor Retamosa in some way. But how?

I thought I was close with the couple Francisco Martel and Ana Macias. Both are descended from Nicolas Macias Valades and Leonor de Retamosa. Ana Macias mentioned having a daughter named Petronila in her 1698 will. Only this Petronila would be too young to be the same Petronila married to Joseph Lozano.

I have been noting the Padrinos and Testigos of Petronila’s children who share surnames with hers for clues.

*A Beatriz Gonzalez is Padrina to the baptism of Petronila’s son Juan Lozano 21 August 1679.

*A Phelipe Gonzalez is a testigo to the marriage of Petronila’s son Juan Antonio Lozano 28 December 1710. Phelipe Gonzalez gives his age as 46 setting his birth at about 1664.

*A Pedro Macias is a testigo to the marriage of Petronila’s son Eugenio Lozano, about 15 January 1697, and to the marriage of Petronila’s daughter Juana who married Sebastian de Ulloa 25 May 1696. Pedro Macias gives his age as 37 or 40 setting his birth at about 1660 or 1656.

*A Joseph Macias Valades is mentioned in the burial record of Petronila’s daughter Juana 20 November 1738.

*A Miguel Martel (perhaps a relation of the Francisco Martel mentioned above) is a testigo to the first marriage of Petronila’s son Manuel Lozano 10 February 1698. Miguel Martel gives his age as 47 setting his birth at about 1651.

*An Antonio Macias Valades is a Testigo to the marriage of Petronila’s son Joseph Lozano 12 August 1716. Antonio Macias Valades gives his age as 40 setting his birth at about 1676.

*Joseph Lozano married Maria Teresa Nunez 12 August 1716. Maria Teresa Nunez is the daughter of Juan Nunez and Teresa Macias Valades. Teresa Macias Valades is the daughter of Gabriel de Castaneda and Maria Valades.

Does anyone know how these Padrinos and Testigos fit in with the descendants of Martin Perez de Gardea and Mariana Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba or Nicolas Macias Valades and Leonor de Retamosa? Has anyone seen Petronila or her children listed as Padrinos or Testigos of their lines? This may help give clues to who her closer relations are, and may help narrow down potential candidates for her parents – or paternity if she is a natural daughter.

Published by The_Genealogist – Sun, 2016-04-03 13:16 | Permalink

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What is the baptism date for Petronila’s grandson Joseph who she was also a madrina for?

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Hi Danny,

The parents of Joseph are Sebastián de Ulloa and Juana González de Gardea, listed here as Juana González Lozano. The godparents were Onofre Lozano and Petrona González de Gardea.

Chris

Published by The_Genealogist – Sun, 2016-03-27 08:42 | Permalink

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I think that our Petronila likely comes from the household of Hernando Martel and Beatriz Macias Valades Retamosa Villegas. The origin of the padrinos and testigos of her children, Petronila’s peculiar use of surnames, and the intermarriage of some of her children all seem hover around this couple.

Identifying Padrinos and Testigos:

I believe I have all of the Gonzalez and Macias Padrinos and Testigos of our Petronila’s children identified accept for Joseph Macias Valadez.

I think that Beatriz Gonzalez (padrina to Juan Lozano) and Phelipe Gonzalez (testigo to Juan Antonio Lozano) are siblings. Only I think they are both the children of Juan Gonzalez and Francisca del Castillo, not Luis Gonzalez and Catalina de Quiroga, but they are still both grandchildren of Luis Gonzalez and Beatriz Gallegos.

I think Miguel Martel (testigo of Manuel Lozano) is the same as stated earlier by Chris.

I think that Pedro Macias Valadez (testigo to Eugenio Lozano and Juana Lozano) is the same Pedro

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I think some people used their step-parents name. My ancestor Bartolome Josephe Martel who is married to Juana Manuela Lozano de Gardea is the grandson of the Miguel Martel you mentioned as Testigo to Manuel Lozano. Bartolome Josephe Martel's parents are Catalina Anguino y velasco and Miguel Martel but Catalina Anguino y Velasco was also married to Nicolas Ponce and Bartolome Josephe Martel was also known as Bartholome Josephe Ponce and my ancestors all took the Ponce last name from his step-father and not Martel

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

I am not aware of any of my ancestors using a step-parent's name. I suppose it's possible, but, I haven't seen it. But, I don't think Bartolome Joseph Ponce used his step-father's name. First, Doña Catalina Velasco de Anguiano was widowed from Nicolas Ponce, when she married Miguel Martel. So, Bartolome Joseph Ponce wouldn't have been alive when Nicolas Ponce was alive, so, it doesn't seem like it would make sense that he would use an apellido of someone he not only never knew, but also wasn't his father. I believe Doña Catalina Velasco de Anguiano was also Doña Catalina Ponce and Bartolome Joseph Ponce was actually using his mother's apellido. Here on the baptism of a daughter of hers and Miguel Martel, she is listed as Doña Catalina Ponce:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64V7-WL4

Chris

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Chris,

How do you know for sure that Catalina Ponce and Catalina Velasco de Anguino are the same person. couldn't there be more than one person named Migel Martel. also do you think then that joseph lozano de gardea is not using his step mother's name?

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

Maria Efigenia Martel, the daughter that Miguel Martel and Catalina Ponce were baptizing in 1699 is the same daughter that's listed on her defuncion as the daughter of Miguel Martel and Catalina de Anguiano here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XK5W-VH3

Regarding, Joseph Lozano de Gardea, no, I personally do not believe he would use Gardea if he was not in someway related to that family.

Chris

Published by iChristopher – Sun, 2016-03-20 18:05 | Permalink

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Hi David,

I think you're on the right track with some of these testigos. Many are interrelated. Beatriz González, madrina to Juan Lozano, I believe is the daughter of Luis González and Catalina de Quiroga and the granddaughter of Luis González and Beatriz Gallegos, that would also explain the Martel connection as Beatriz Gallegos is a probable daughter of Captain Hernando Martel, founder of Santa Maria de los Lagos.

Felipe González, testigo to Juan Antonio Lozano, is the brother to the above Beatriz González, and also grandson of the same Luis González and Beatriz Gallegos.

Miguel Martel, testigo to Manuel Lozano's marriage is the brother to the above named Francisco Martel. He's the son of Hernando Martel and Beatriz de Retamosa, aka Beatriz Macías Valadez, aka Beatriz de Villegas. He's also grandson of the same Luis González and Beatriz Gallegos.

Chris

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Hi Chris,

If Petronila was a descendant of Hernando Martel and Beatríz Macías Valadéz that would explain the Retamosa, but that doesn't explain the González de Gardea.

Paige

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Hi Paige,

I agree. Plus, I think the Gardea part of the name was the most important to them, since that's what they chose to pass on. Not once among their descendants have I seen Macías or Retamosa, but, numerous descendants used some variation of González de Gardea, Lozano de Gardea, etc.

I can't recall more than once that I've seen Petronila de Retamosa as madrina. I do know she was madrina to her grandson Joseph, along with Onofre Lozano, the son of Cristobal Lozano and Mariana González de Gardea, and, half brother to her husband. But, that's about the only time I know of where she was madrina.

Chris