I have been building our family tree for some years and I have come across
this document. It is a marriage entry for Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo
Español to Maria Catharina Bueno. For over two hundred years Carrillo has
been the family name, now this appears. Does the word alias mean the same
then as today. Does it have other meanings. Pedro and Catharina went on to
have two sons carrying the name Carrillo Bueno. Should I now view the Ruiz
lineage from this point on into the past as my lineage? Am I reading and
translating this correctly? Can anyone help address my confusion? Thanks
Juan Manuel Carrillo
Here is the link to the document:
http://interactive.ancestry.com/61089/MM9.3.1_2FTH-1-18578-30740-31/135…
I found some other uses of the term alias
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-D27N-V?i=321&wc=3JW5-JWL%3…
top left and bottom left
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I descend from Maria de los Dolores Marin's sister, Maria Josephina Potenciana Marin de la Peña Losa. (Sometimes the Arenas surname pops up)
Maria Jpha. P. Marin is married to Jose Manuel Cardenas y Mendoza. The information that I have on their parents is mainly through marriage dispensations but some genealogists have posted different information so I need to go back and review all my notes on the family before I post it for you.
R.A. Ricci
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Juan Carrillo,
I could not access the link you attached. However, I too have Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno in my family tree (5th g-grandparents). I have no answers for you as to the use of alias; however, I did manage to find the marriage record for Pedro Antonio's parents ... and that record states that Miguel Ruiz did not know who his parents were. Here is the link to that record
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-JR?i=297&wc=3JFF-929%…
The record does state that he was a widower, the entry for his first marriage can be seen on image 164 in the same folder as the above record. It also states that the parentage was unknown.
Hopefully someone in the group will have a better understanding of the term “alias” in Spanish records.
-Angelina Markle-
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Hi Angelina,
I've seen the use of Alias in similar situations, my guess is, even though Miguel Ruiz is listed as an hijo de padres no conocidos, that he most likely knew who his father was and that he descended from the Carrillo family, which would explain his children adopting that name.
Chris
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Juan Carrillo,
I could not access the link you attached. However, I too have Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno in my family tree (5th g-grandparents). I have no answers for you as to the use of alias; however, I did manage to find the marriage record for Pedro Antonio's parents ... and that record states that Miguel Ruiz did not know who his parents were. Here is the link to that record
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-JR?i=297&wc=3JFF-929%…
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Chris,
Maybe you are right. However, it could also be the name of an adopted
parent, or simply that of a god-parent. You just never know, without
documentation or DNA evidence that states otherwise, we can't make
assumptions.
-Angelina-
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Hi Angelina,
I've seen the use of Alias in similar situations, my guess is, even though
Miguel Ruiz is listed as an hijo de padres no conocidos, that he most likely
knew who his father was and that he descended from the Carrillo family,
which would explain his children adopting that name.
Chris
From: "angelina@markleweb.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term
alias
Juan Carrillo,
I could not access the link you attached. However, I too
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I have found that sometimes the "alias" refers to the surname of a step-father or step-mother or adoptive parents
> From: angelina@markleweb.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 19:14:09 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term alias
>
> Juan Carrillo,
>
> I could not access the link you attached. However, I too have Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno in my family tree (5th g-grandparents). I have no answers for you as to the use of alias; however, I did manage to find the marriage record for Pedro Antonio's parents ... and that record states that Miguel Ruiz did not know who his parents were. Here is the link to that record
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-JR?i=297&wc=3JFF-929%…
>
> The record does state that he was a widower, the entry for his first marriage can be seen on image 164 in the same folder as the
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It just means he also used the name Carrillo too. I've seen it on other
records before. It doesn't mean anything. He's probably using his mother's
last name. his mother Maria de los Dolores is listed as Española but de los
Dolores isn't a last name, so her name is probably Carrillo.
Danny C. Alonso
On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Juan Carrillo
wrote:
> I have been building our family tree for some years and I have come across
> this document. It is a marriage entry for Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo
> Español to Maria Catharina Bueno. For over two hundred years Carrillo has
> been the family name, now this appears. Does the word alias mean the same
> then as today. Does it have other meanings. Pedro and Catharina went on to
> have two sons carrying the name Carrillo Bueno. Should I now view the Ruiz
> lineage from this point on into the past as my lineage? Am I reading and
> translating this correctly? Can anyone help address my confusion? Thanks
> Juan Manuel Carrillo
>
> Here
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My husband said that "Dolores" means "sorrows", as in Maria de los Dolores (Mary of Sorrows), the Virgin Mary mourning for her Son. I also have found that an "alias" refers sometimes to the surname of a step-parent or adoptive parent.
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 18:19:02 -0700
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term alias
>
> It just means he also used the name Carrillo too. I've seen it on other
> records before. It doesn't mean anything. He's probably using his mother's
> last name. his mother Maria de los Dolores is listed as Española but de los
> Dolores isn't a last name, so her name is probably Carrillo.
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Juan Carrillo
> wrote:
>
> > I have been building our family tree for some years and I have come across
> > this document. It is a marriage entry for Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo
> > Español to Maria Catharina Bueno
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Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa y Alva's parents, Manuel Marin de la Peña Losa and Teresa Alva, were distant cousins through their Marin de la Peña Losa ancestors.
Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa was born about 1720
She also descends from Toribio Hernandez Arellano ( Aka Toribio Hernandez Santillana). I recently posted some information on his family in nuestrosranchos.org.
R.A.Ricci
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Dear Juan Carillo,
Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carillo is the son Of Miguel Ruiz and Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa.
We share some ancestors. Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa y de Alva was the daughter of Manuel Marin de la Peña Losa And Teresa de Alva.
Teresa de Alva descends six generations back from Diego Ochoa Garibay and Juana Nunez de Sotomayor.
I have posted some my research on Juana Nunez de Sotomayor on nuestrosranchos.org I just recently posted Diego Ochoa Garibays ancestry going back to the 1300's on nuestrosranchos. You can find his ancestors at:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23400
I have too many ancestors of Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa to write down right now.
Miguel Ruiz has espanol "Padres no conocidos" in both of his marriage records. I believe that one of his parents may have been named Carillo.
Good luck on your research,
R.A.Ricci
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I have seen Alias used as "also known as" and also as "used to be known as".
I would search both Ruiz and Carillo lines, even search lines that use Ruiz Carillo or Carillo Ruiz.
Maria Catharina Bueno
mentioned in the record of Pedro Antonio Ruiz Or Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno
Name Pedro Antonio Ruiz Or Carrillo
Spouse's Name Maria Catharina Bueno
Event Date 19 Oct 1778
Event Place San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Jose Miguel Ruiz
Mother's Name Maria Marin De Los Dolores
Spouse's Father's Name Jose Mathias Bueno
Spouse's Mother's Name Petra Maria Diaz
CITING THIS RECORD
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCXB-RH7 : accessed 20 May 2016), Pedro Antonio Ruiz Or Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno, 19 Oct 1778; citing San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 226,026.
Maria De Los Dolores Marin
mentioned in the record of Miguel Ruis and Maria De
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