Hello everyone,

This thread is intended to be a continuation of two earlier threads regarding the Benavides trunk started by Manny and Ronnie as seen here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/23035

and here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20210

I have been looking closely at dispensations regarding the Benavides, Cortes, and Aguayo lines. I believe I have come up with a clearer picture of the earliest generations. At a quick glance, it may seem that many of these dispensations contradict each other, but this is because we have been trying to couple them with what the secondary sources say about these individuals. First let us start with forgetting any preconceived notions about the Benavides trunk — especially what we may think we know about “Geronima de Benavides” and “Catalina Cortes”. Let us just focus on exactly what is being said in the dispensations. Only then do they fit together quite nicely without any contradictions that I have seen so far.

The following are 7 dispensations that help make sense of the Benavides trunk. It helps to look at them in a certain order.

PART 1: THE EARLY BENAVIDES

DISPENSA 1. GASPAR LOMELIN & MARIA MEDINILLA
4 Dec 1678, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THT7-B?mode=g&i=112&wc=MC7…

This one is the oldest and thus the closest chronologically to the Benavides trunk. Here Maria Medenilla, the widow of Nicolas Carbajal, is marrying Gaspar Lomelin. All three are descended from three siblings named as: a Geronima de Benavides, a Luis de Benavides, and a Catalina Cortes.

The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Geronima de Benavides-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes
Mariana Ortiz-2-N.N.-2-N.N.
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5

Right away you are probably thinking that these testigos must be wrong -- that Catalina Cortes could not have been a sister to Geronima and Luis de Benavides. Well, just bear with me for a moment. This dispensation does prove that Geronima de Benavides, Luis de Benavides, and Catalina Cortes were siblings, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is the daughter of Catalina Cortes (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides). Looking at this first dispensation this way instantly solves many problems with the proceeding lineages.

We know from Maria Medinilla’s first marriage (dated 29 Feb 1672) that Nicolas Carvajal was the son of Juan Carvajal and Jacinta de Oliva. As seen here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THRN?mode=g&i=196&wc=3P9N-…

We know from the marriage of Nicolas’ parents (dated 25 Jun 1633) that Jacinta also appears as “Jacinta de Benavides.”As seen here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THC5?mode=g&i=142&cc=18044…

According to Gonzalez-Leal, Jacinta de Oliva was daughter of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and a Geronima de Benavides, who was the daughter of Luis de Benavides. We also know from other sources and that Lucas Lomelin is the son of a Maria de Benavides and Carlo Lomelin. The filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Geronima de Benavides (I)-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes (II)
Mariana Ortiz-2-Geronima de Benavides (II)-2-Maria de Benavides (I)
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5

Note: I originally thought that the Catalina Cortes who died in 1652 was Catalina (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides), but I cannot deny the possibility that she may really be Catalina Cortes (II), their daughter. The record can be seen here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-417-37?cc=1804458&wc=M…

{{{Note: the first marriage of Maria Medinilla to Nicolas Carvajal (dated 29 Feb 1672, Nochistlan) (seen here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-766-62?cc=1804458&wc=M…) says that this couple is related in 2 and 3 degrees. This would seem to contradict the tree above but it does not. The relation is via another line. The tree is seen below:

Trunk N.N. & Gonzalo Yanez del Monte& Geronima de Benavides (II)
Juan Yanez-1-Jacinta de Oliva
Mariana Yanez-2-Nicolas Carvajal
Maria Medinilla-3-}}}

Catalina Cortes (II) IS the daughter of Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I), as proposed by Gonzalez-Leal in Retones, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is not the one who was married to Juan Moscoso de Sandoval. That Catalina Cortes (III) appears next.

DISPENSA 2. BERNARDO GONZALEZ DOMINGUEZ & JOSEPHA LOZANO
5 May 1680, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23385-39?cc=1804458&wc…

Holcombe says that Geronimo de Benavides is the son of Diego de Benavides. Gonzalez-Leal gives in Retonos that Luis de Benavides and Geronimo de Benavides are brothers and that Luis de Benavides is also a son of Diego de Benavides. This Dispensation was probably the source for that information, however, I think this dispensation was misread. Looking carefully at the penmanship in this dispensation, “Geronimo” de Benavides is never mentioned, but two “Geronima” de Benavides’ are. One is the sister of Luis de Benavides and the other is his daughter. Geronima de Benavides (sister of Luis) is clearly given as the mother of yet another Catalina Cortes.

The Tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Luis de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Geronima Benavides(II) -2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Maria Yanez-3-Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval
Luis Gonzalez-4-Josepha Lozano
Bernardo Gonzalez-5

The Tree filled in
TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Luis de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Geronima Benavides(II) -2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Maria Yanez-3-Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval
Luis Gonzalez-4-Josepha Lozano
Bernardo Gonzalez-5

Since dispensa's 1 & 2 pass through the Yanez, than we know that the Luis de Benavides in dispensa 1 & 2 are definitely the same person. This means his sister Geronima de Benavides (I), mentioned in dispensa 1 & 2, is the mother of both Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortes (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval).

DISPENSA 3. THOMAS DE PAEZ & FRANCISCA DE TORRES
27 Mar 1686 Jalostotitlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18418-15365-43?cc=1874591&wc…

This dispensation shows that the father of the groom is the first cousin of the grandfather of the bride.

The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Maria de Benavides (I)-1-Geronima de Benavides (III)
Domingo Lomelin-2-Francisco Paez
Joseph Lomelin-3-Thomas Paez
Francisca de Torres-4

The tree filled in:
TRUNK: N.N. & Catalina Cortes (II)
Maria de Benavides (I)-1-Geronima de Benavides (III)
Domingo Lomelin-2-Francisco Paez
Joseph Lomelin-3-Thomas Paez
Francisca de Torres-4

The Geronima de Benavides in this dispensation cannot be the same Geronima in dispensas 1 & 2, who is shown to be the mother of both Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortez (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval). When you plug this Maria de Benavides (I) back into dispensa 1, it shows that this Geronima is the third one to appear. This Geronima de Benavides (III) was the one married to Nicolas or Francisco Paez. (Holcombe says Nicolas, Gonzalez-Leal says Francisco).

This must be why in “Genealogia de Nochistlan” by Jose Luis Vazquez, it states in chapter 59, page 197, that Geronima de Benavides is the daughter of Geronimo de Benavides AND Catalina Cortes, but in chapter 22, page 80, it states that Geronima de Benavides is the daughter of Catalina Cortes (de quien se desconoce en nombre de su esposo). The Geronima in chapter 59 must be referring to Geronima de Benavides (I) (mother of Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortes (III)[wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval]). The Geronima in chapter 22 must be referring to Geronima de Benavides (III) (wife of Nicolas/Francisco Paez and daughter of Catalina Cortes (II)[de quien se desconoce en nombre de su esposo]).

DISPENSA 4. JUAN DE ESQUIBIAS & MARIA YNIGUEZ
01 Jan 1693, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6P9J-Z1?i=223&cc=1874591

This dispensation says that the maternal grandfather of Juan de Esquibias, Lorenzo Yanez, and the maternal grandmother of Maria Yniguez, Maria de Benavides (II), were first cousins.

The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
N.N.-1-N.N.
Lorenzo Yanez-2-Maria Benavides(II)
Juana Yanez-3-Jacinta Cueva
Juan Esquibias-4-Maria Yñiguez

The tree filled in:
Trunk: Luis de Benavides & N.N.
Geronima de Benavides (II)-1-N.N. de Benavides
Lorenzo Yanez-2-Maria Benavides(II)
Juana Yanez-3-Jacinta Cueva
Juan Esquibias-4-Maria Yñiguez

We know from Dispensa 2 that the Yanez come from Geronima de Benavides (II) (wife of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and daughter of Luis de Benavides). In order for Maria de Benavides (II) (wife of Andres Cueva) to be a first cousin of Lorenzo Yanez, she must be a granddaughter of Luis de Benavides.

Note: Luis de Benavides now has two descendants named Jacinta: a granddaughter named Jacinta de Oliva, and a great-granddaughter named Jacinta Cueva. It leaves open the possibility that Luis may have been married to a Jacinta de Oliva as well.

PART 2: THE AGUAYO CONNECTION

The three branches of the Aguayo family are started by three siblings: Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla), and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran). There are several dispensations that prove that these three are siblings, but I will not get into those here. I would rather focus on their parents. Secondary sources say that their parents were a Diego de Aguayo and an Ysabel de Silva. We can see by the marriage of Ysabel de Silva’s son Diego that she is a widow as of 1633. This would imply that her husband died before this date. But was Diego de Aguayo really her husband? The following dispensations paint a slightly different picture:

DISPENSA 5. DIEGO DELGADILLO & YSABEL DE AGUAYO
7 Jan 1704, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-18553-9?cc=1874591&wc=…

Diego Delgadillo, widow of Petronila de Isla, is marrying Ysabel de Aguayo. Both Petronila and Ysabel are great-grandaughters of two siblings. The first testigo names these two siblings as Juan de Benavides and Geronima de Benavides, but does not specify who descends from whom. (This is probably where Holcombe’s confusion of the Aguayo’s being descended from Geronima de Benavides came from.) The first testigo then goes on to say that the siblings are the children of Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes. (So far, this is the only accessible primary record that I have seen that actually names this trunk couple.) The second testigo specifies that Ysabel de Aguayo is the great-granddaughter of Juan de Benavides and that Petronila de Isla is the great-granddaughter of Geronima de Benavides. The third testigo only traces back to their grandparents. We already know from Dispensa 2 that Catalina Cortes (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval) is the daughter of Geronima de Benavides (I) (sister of Luis de Benavides), so the filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRUNK: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Juan de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Diego de Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Juan de Aguayo-3-Mariana de Sandoval
Ysabel de Aguayo-4-Petronila de Isla

This dispensation proves that the three siblings: Geronima de Benavides (I), Luis de Benavides, and Catalina Cortes (II), had an additional sibling: Juan de Benavides. It does seem odd that Juan de Benavides would be the patriarch of a family line that carries the name “Aguayo,” but the dispensations point in this direction. Come to think of it, I have not seen an accessible primary source that specifically names Ysabel de Silva’s husband as a Diego de Aguayo.

DISPENSA 6. CARLOS CARRILLO & MAGDALENA DE SANDOVAL
29 May 1707 Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-2989-38?cc=1874591&wc=…

Carlos Casillas is said to be the great-grandson of Juan de Benavides, and Magdalena de Sandoval is said to be the great-grandaughter of Geronima de Benavides (I). The filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRUNK: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Juan de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Regina de Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Francisca Duran-3-Geronimo de Sandoval
Carlos Casillas-4-Magdalena Sandoval

DISPENSA 7. JUAN DE SANDOVAL & MARIA DURAN
11 Jan 1687 Nochistlan (IM) /9 Jul 1707 (Mar)
(IM)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-22789-41?cc=1804458&wc…
(Mar)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T49Y-LF?mode=g&i=161&cc=18…

This one is odd in that the (IM) does not seem to make any mention of the couple being related but the (Mar) says they are related in the fourth degree. The filled in tree would look like this:

The tree filled in:
TRUNK: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Juan de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Regina de Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Nicolas Duran-3-Geronimo de Sandoval
Maria Duran-4-Juan de Sandoval

Note: There is a 97 year old testigo in the (IM) for this couple named Diego de Aguayo. This ancient Diego de Aguayo appears as a testigo in a couple places with his age ranging from 97 to 110! How is this Diego de Aguayo related to the other Aguayo’s? I originally thought (via secondary sources) that he was the husband of Ysabel de Silva, but as mentioned earlier, Ysabel de Silva was a widow by 1633. The exact identity of this ancient Diego de Aguayo remains unclear. (Perhaps he is Ysabel de Silva's son?)

CONCLUSIONS:

The seven dispensations discussed point to there being 3 Geronima de Benavides’, 3 Catalina Cortes’, and 2 Maria de Benavides’. With multiple closely related individuals bearing the same name in one family, it is easy to see why many of the secondary sources tend to fuse them into one person.

The original trunk would branch out as follows:

Geronimo de Benavides (son of Diego de Benavides) married Catalina Cortes (I) (daughter of Pedro Cortes). They had at least 4 children:

1.Geronima de Benavides (I) (wife of N.N. Ortiz?)
2.Luis de Benavides (husband of a Jacinta de Oliva?)
3.Catalina Cortes (II) (wife of N.N. or natural mother)
4.Juan de Benavides (husband of Ysabel de Silva)

1.Geronima de Benavides (I) becomes the mother of Mariana Ortiz (mother of Geronimo Aramburu) and Catalina Cortez (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval).

2.Luis de Benavides becomes the father of Geronima de Benavides (II) (wife of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte) and N.N. de Benavides (parent of Maria de Benavides [II] [wife of Andres de Cuevas]).

3.Catalina Cortes (II) becomes the mother of Maria de Benavides (I) (wife of Carlo Lomelin) and Geronima de Benavides (III) (wife of Francisco/Nicolas Paez).

4.Juan de Benavides becomes the father of Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla) and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran).

If anyone sees a primary resources that contradict this reconstruction, please let us know.

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I have my ancestor as:

I. Juan Moscoso y Sandoval married to Catalina Cortez

a.Their daughter is Josefa de Moscoso y Sandoval m. to Juan Lozano.
1.Their daughter is Maria Lozano m. to Geronimo Carrillo.

My question is what number is my Catalina Cortez and who are her parents?
I am so confused I am sorry I had trouble following this tangle of Catalina Cortes names I II and III.

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You are in a tough situation. A Spanish and indigenous parent can be very hard to find ancestors for. I would suggest building out the family tree as much as you can for Bartola and Pedro, then hope you can find a dispensa pertaining to their descendants. Hopefully it will run up Bartola's father's side and you can figure something out that way.

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These lines are well researched and the Lomellini family go back to the Doges of Genoa and the others back to Hernan Cortez  and other nobility. Apart from another branch further back from Moctezuma there are no identified Indians. The Moctezuma Imperial family are also well mapped out back to the Grimaldi family as well as many of us with ancestry from the Spanish in Mexico. Moctezuma's line descends through his daughters and their marriages to other Spanish nobility which continued for centuries in Mexico. 

I was trying to review the research about our connection to the Lomellini family as the Benavides line is so confusing then you threw that there was an indigenous person I'm like, what? lol

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Hi, I'm interested in the Aguayo family mostly located in the Rancho Aguayo in Nochistlan. I have an Excel file of all the Aguayo records I can find... baptisms, marriages, burials. In it I find Regina Aguayo having children with Domingo Mejia: Juana Mejia Aguayo, 3 Mar 1630; and Ysavel Mejia Aguayo, 17 Aug 1692, born in Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

I am happy to send a copy of my excel file to anyone who is interested.

There also is a book, "Genealogia De Nochistlan Antigua Reino De Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales" that give the early history of many Nochistlan families. Chapters 22, 24, 56 and 57 discuss the Benevides families.

I'll try to attach to this a chart from the book showing the relationships discussed in your message. Fooey. That didn't work. If you'd like the copy, please send me an email. Ed Nissen

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I have the marriage records of another pair of brothers married to another pair of sisters. The sisters are Catharina De la Paz y Cortez and Francisca De la Paz y Cortez. The brothers are Manuel Antonio Perez Franco de Paredes and Joseph Joachin Perez Franco de Paredes.

Manuel Antonio Perez Franco married Catharina de La Paz y Cortez, and Joseph Joachin Perez Franco married Francisca De La Paz y Cortez.

Both couples married on the same day, on the fifth of June in 1737. The brides are the daughters of Antonio De La Paz y Cortez and Antonia Frias de Ybarra.

The brother's father's surname is Perez Franco but I am unsure of the first name. I am hoping that someone will do a better job of reading his first name than I did.

Here is the link to the marriage records: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYQT?mode=g&i=380&wc=3J4P-…

I believe that Antonio de La Paz y Cortez descends from the Geronima Benavides/Cortez and

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Another piece to the Benavides/Cortes puzzle:

This is the PROCESO CONTRA FRANCISCO DE VEAS (or “Beas”), the vicar of Nochistlan. He was accused of soliciting sex from women during confession, and abuses against Indians. He was predator scum, and it’s a hard read, so be forewarned. There are 160 pages, and lots of testigos.

This is from 1570, so these are early residents of Nochistlan, several whom I’ve never heard of. But the Benavides do make an appearance: there is mention of the “Estancia de los Benavides,” and Luis de Benavides is present during some of the interviews, as is Maria de Benavides (his sister? his daughter? his niece?). One of the testigos is his wife, ANDREA CORTES (interviewed 25 Aug 1570 at the posada de Juan Perez de Piña). I suppose she would be the mother of Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez del Monte? She is said to look about 30 years-old, so she was born around 1540. My guess is, she’s probably another daughter of Pedro Cortes, and sister of Catalina

In reply to by jrefugioghermosillo

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Oh boy Manny that is exciting. I feel like we are all on the same brick walls in Nochistlan and this is the first lead in a while!

There is an early Benavides line (would be early 1600's late 1500's) in Guadalajara. No clue as to if there is a connection to Nochistlan Benavides.

Heres a will for Juan Benavides in Guadalajara. He is the son of a Luis Benavides

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-8R1Y?cat=198356

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What I take from the will is that this Juan de Benavides was the leigitimate son of a Luis de Benavides and a María Jorge, or Ortíz, or Cortés; that he was married to María de Ávila, daughter of Juan Domínguez.

He says that they had three daughters:

Luisa, Juana (4 years old) and Jacinta (2 years old)

He says tha he has a cousin named Gerónimo de Benavides.

The will is dated 20-march-1634

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​Hi Alex,

I'm not sure, I'm still playing with this idea, that the 3 siblings spoken of in the Gaspar Lomelin/Maria Medinilla dispensa are children of Diego de Benavides, rather than Geronimo de Benavides cc Catalina Cortes. Following this formula, Catalina Cortes cc Juan Moscoso Sandoval is daughter of Geronima de Benavides, and sister of Mariana Ortiz. This would imply that she also married someone surnamed "Cortes." There just aren't enough pieces of the puzzle to make it work yet.

As for Juan de Sandoval's testamento - his mother's name looks like Maria Jorje. What's interesting, is that they are also from Mezticacan, so there is a link!

Great work!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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The will is extremely hard to read; however, I actually believe it says "g.ma de venavides mi prima" who I think it says is in "mesticacan". Left side 6th - 11th lines from the bottom.

I also see as children Luisa de ojo (8?) anos? (this doesnt say Aguayo does it??) Ana 4 years old and Jacinta 2 years old. the tail end of "procreamos por ntros hijos legitimos" and "Luisa" has some words in it that I cant read, right side lines 9 - 13. Please tell me what you guys think.

I do see the 1634 date at the bottom there, but this is the 1638 book. Also Juan Benavides and Maria d'Avila had Ana in 1634 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N23Z-4W5 and Jacinta in 1636 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB7G-1F6 so I think the entry occured in 1638. They also had a child, Juana on 1 Jun 1615 who doesnt appear in the will. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2LS6-LS?i=75&wc=3J64-B…

Juan was therefore probably

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Great work, Carlos and Alex.

​In his testamento Juan de Benavides says: “Iten - I declare that I owe Geronima de Benavides, my cousin, 50 pesos. I order that, to repay her, some of the lands that I have in Mesticacan, be sold..."

So, we know that Juan de Benavides had a cousin named Geronima de Benavides, and that he owned land in Mexticacan, which he likely inherited from his father, Luis de Benavides cc Maria Jorge.

​Yesterday, I found this, dated 28 Oct 1669:

Luisa de Benavides, Ana de Avila (viuda de Juan de Siordia), and Jasinta de Avila, hermanas hijas y herederas de Juan de Benavides y Maria de Avila difuntos, all who are over the age of 25, wish to sell to Cristobal de Caravajal, vecino de Tacotlan, “la quinta parte de dos caballerias de tierra en Tacotlan, donde vivia Andres de Cueba, junto a un arbol de sauz junto a otros mesquites como se va al pueblo de Mesticacan por orillas del Rio…,” for the amount of 60 pesos.

They’re selling 1/5th of 2 caballerias of land, where

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Very cool, you're killin it Manny! I'm very interested to see where this leads.

Ever since your post I've gone down the Benavides rabbit hole, hoping to attack the genealogy from many angles. I've recently been compiling data regarding Diego Benavides c. Juana Delgado. What data do you guys have on this couple. I have a couple conflicting dispensas that seem to force their daughters Maria de Aceves and Felipa de Benavides-Delgado as being the same person but vital records search seems to suggest the opposite. Curious is the use of Aceves by a daughter of Diego and Juana. I also haven't found a use of Cortes yet but I'm still digging!

I should throw in the Luis Benavides mix a document, probably regarding a generation or later with regard to the Luis' of this post. Bottom right page

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW3Q-MC?i=290&wc=12512…

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Alright, here's another. This one fills in at least one hole, and includes one big name. It's dated 4 Nov 1623, in Mexticacan: Mariana Ortiz, viuda heredera y albasea de Alonso Gomez Garay, difunto, and her son, Geronimo Gonzalez Garay (aka Aramburu). This Mariana Ortiz would be the same mentioned in the Gaspar Lomelin/Maria Medinilla dispensa, and who was daughter of Geronima de Benavides. Now we have the name of her husband, Alonso Gomez Garay. Presiding over this proceso is none other that CARLOS LOMELLINI, whose title I can't make out, but who is probably "teniente de alcalde mayor por su majestad." Escribano nombrado is Luis de Benavides. Also mentioned is Pedro de Medinilla (who might be the origin of this surname in Mexticacan), and witnesses present were Cristobal Serrano, Juan Rodriguez and Diego de Benavides.

​Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

In reply to by jrefugioghermosillo

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Great work Manny, and all that have contributed to this thread.
I descend from many of these people mentioned in this thread.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

In reply to by jrefugioghermosillo

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DUDE! Manny your a magician, making documents appear from thin air! I see the title for Carlos Lomelin "teniente de alcalde mayor en el dicho puesto"

Pedro Medinilla certainly seems connected. For Diego Arambulo c. Mariana Yanez-Medinilla, she uses the surname "Alvarado" sometimes. In your document, Pedro goes by Pedro Medinilla Alvarado on the first page.

Furthermore, Geronimo signs the document "Geronimo Gonzalez y Aramburu"

HOME RUN!

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Hi Alex,
I'm pretty sure you and I have visited this transcription in the past, it's of the visit made by Davalos y Toledo through the various parishes in NG, in Oct 1616. During his stop in Mestiticacan, two of the witnesses are Luis de Benavides and Alonso Gomez Garay. There is no genealogical information given, but at least there's an approximation of Alonso Gomez's age (about 50/ ca 1566). I think this Luis Benavides might be the one married to Maria Jorge?
http://books.openedition.org/cemca/1599?lang=en
Chao,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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IIs this Felipa Benavides or Delgado cc Diego de Pereira a sister of the Maria de Benavides cc Diego de Banuelos having children in Teul in the 1650s? Felipa appears as
one of the padrinos a couple of times on the baptisms of their children.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-JY?i=6&cc=1804458
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6433-9Y?i=32&cc=1804458

Maria de Banuelos cc Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos has a Diego de Benavides listed as her grandfather on her baptism record. If Felipa is Maria de Benavides sister I'm glad to (presumably) have the name of their mother.

~ Andrea

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Hi Andrea,

I am interested in anything you have for the Diego Benavides/Juana Delgado family.

I have them as having at least 5 kids. Luis (probably married to Maria Perez Infante Sepulveda), Maria de Benavides (married to Diego Banuelos), Felipa Benavides Delgado, Maria de Aceves (married to Juan Carrillo), and Juana Delgado (married to Juan Rodriguez de Frias). I think there may be an additional sibling Joseph, married to 1) Maria Gonzalez 2) Juana Ortiz Bustos.

I have not been able to connect Felipa Benavides Delgado cc Diego de Pereira. I have only one document pertaining to her and it states she has a child with the last name Carrillo. I don't know if its an error, confusing Felipa and Maria, or if she married a Carrillo.

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There's another son Nicolas married to an Ana de Santiago 20 Jul 1659 in Tlaltenango. Right side, second from the bottom
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BRBD-J?i=274&wc=3PS7-7…

This baptism record for a son Luis is all I've got for Felipa, and the ones above where she appears as a godparent.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-643S-XG?i=26&cc=1804458

I was missing Maria de Aceves. Thanks! And I hadn't seen a Joseph.

I have Maria de Benavides cc Diego de Banuelos born about 1620 and dying sometime between 1661-1677. Looks like her husband remarried to an Ysabel Gonzalez Delgado (or Delgado Gonzalez) in the early 1660s. If he's the same Diego Banuelos, he may also have had an illegitimate child with an Ysabel de Salazar named Baltazar Onate y Banuelos. If they're the same Diego, then that's a pretty big clue to his lineage.

I have Diego de Benavides still alive as of 11 Nov 1652
https://www.familysearch

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Andrea,

Thank you so much for sharing what you have. I'll add it to mine and see if anything shakes out. I did some research last night and found some more stuff too. Here's what I have:

Felipa appears in dispensas 1418 and 2015 in Maria Luz Montejano's Sagrada Mitra ...

2015 is the only mention of Pereira. This dispensa is a mess and contradicts other information that I have found.

Here are more dispensas which help fill out/confirm the trees:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XWS6-H5?i=171&wc=11124…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6Y8L-2?i=748&wc=111241…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XHSS-1X?i=404&wc=12512…

I think these are relevant but I haven't looked hard enough at them yet:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-65J1-R?i=560&wc=125127…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6T97-JT?i=551&wc=12512…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark

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Alex

You've just helped me immensely by giving me the marriage dispensation for Pedro Banuelos and Bartola Flores (de la Torre.) These two are also my ancestors on my Gonzalez de Islas line, so I've been looking for that. I will check out the rest of these records and see what happens. Thank you so much.

~ Andrea

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Hi Andrea, I am new here... trying to figure out how this works :) I have also as my ancestors Bartola Flores de la Torre and Pedro Bañuelos. I found their marriage and dispensation, and saw that Bartola´s parents were Hernan Flores de la Torre and Maria Magdalena (indigena woman)... I am not sure which Hernán Flores de la Torre is this... I though it was Hernan Flores de la Torre y de Sandi... but I am not sure... do you have any other document or information regarding this?

Laura

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Hi Alex,
I have in my tree Barthola Flores de la Torre and Pedro Bañuelos too, according to their marriage dispense she was the daughter of an indigenous woman named Maria Magdalena and of Hernan Flores de la Torre... I cannot find any other document to confirm which Hernan Flores de la Torre it is... or who are her grandparents... I think she was from Mezquituta but I have not been able to find any information ...
Do you have any information regarding this or idea where I could find it?

Thank you!

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About 1661 Diego Bañuelos and Maria Benavides were godfather of a child but in 1663 Diego Bañuelos and Ysabel Gonzalez were godfather of a child and in 1665 baptized a Francisco Bañuelos Gonzalez , so Maria Benabides died about 1662.

There were two differents Diego Bañuelos one in Zacatecas the other El Teul, Zacatecas

Ysabel de Salazar and Diego Bañuelos lived in Zacatecas and have illegitimate sons as Baltazar and Bartolome (married August 12th,1680 Tlaltenango).

Ysabel Delgado and Diego Bañuelos (widowed of Maria Benavides) had legitimate sons as Antonio and Francisco.

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Side note, Manny were you able to go through the whole thread? Do you agree on the proposed genealogy?

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Hi Alex,

Thanks for the Juan de Benavides will, I’ve been meaning to check that family out.

Regarding David’s proposal, this latest piece of the puzzle, that Luis de Benavides was married to Andrea Cortes, has stirred my coals a bit, and has changed what I thought about this thread, and what I’ve proposed in others.

First, it gives us an idea of when Luis de Benavides and Andrea Cortes lived, if she was born around 1540. From the timelines, I’d say they are the parents of Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez, and therefore, he was brother of Geronimo de Benavides, and she, likely a sister of his wife, Catalina Cortes. That’s still speculation, but given the small number of Spanish families/ eligible partners living in the area during those early years, I don’t think it’s that far off.

DISPENSA DE GASPAR LOMELIN cc MARIA MEDINILLA

All of this got me thinking, about how in some of these old documents, the word “hermano” was used for “cuñado.” With that in mind, I took a new

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Thank you Manny for all your work. I agree with you that “Catalina Cortes” now stands out like a sore thumb”. This would explain calling her an hermana.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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Just a cursory look at your response, I have a much different genealogy. I have (prior to this new info):

Diego Benavides* parent of:
1. Geronimo Benavides cc. Catalina Cortes parents of
.i. Juan Benavides cc? resulting in an Aguayo branch
.ii.Catalina Cortes cc? leading to Lomelin and Paez branch
.iii. Geronima Benavides cc? leading to Moscoso y Sandoval and Ortiz/Arambulo branch
.iv. Luis Benavides cc? (Andrea Cortes proposed) leading to Yanez and unknown child leading to Jacinta de Cuevas

*I have no confirmation that Diego is the father of Geronimo Benavides

I have not done a timeline analysis as of yet.

Could you explain this bit "From the timelines, I’d say they are the parents of Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez, and therefore, he was brother of Geronimo de Benavides, and she, likely a sister of his wife, Catalina Cortes."

I'm curious if the geneaologies/timelines resolve themselves with Geronimo Benavides and Catalina Cortes having a daughter named Catalina Cortes

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​Hi Alex,

I'm ignoring everything that I think I know about these lines. I'm basing this genealogy on the Gaspar Lomelin/Maria Medinilla dispensa, which names Luis Benavides, Geronima Benavides and Catalina Cortes as siblings. My argument is that this is the 1st generation of these families, and that Catalina Cortes does not belong here, but her husband, Geronimo Benavides.

From what I can tell, Geronima Benavides cc Gonzalo Yanez, Maria Benavides cc Carlos Lomellini and her sister Geronima Benavides cc Francisco Paez were contemporaries, born around the same time, 1590-1600.

Thanks,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Manny,

Where do you put Catalina Cortes who married Juan Moscoso y Sandoval in this new genealogy?

Alex

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The reason I ask is because removing the idea that Geronimo and Catalina had a daughter named Catalina in the manner I stated previously changes which families may use the name "Catalina Cortes" in their descendants (previously having Geronimo and Catalina at the very top gave all the branches the "right" to use the name Catalina Cortes).

I'm trying to see if this proposed genealogy is in agreement with which branches use Catalina Cortes and further if it is in agreement with other dispensas

Alex

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Ok I have been able to go to the documentation and I must say this stuff is very impressive!

Some comments and questions:

I agree that Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes had the four children you have compiled. I have no spouses confirmed for the four children. Can you provide insight as to how you have confirmed Isabel de Silva as the wife of Juan Benavides?

Re. Dispensa #1: It was weird the ascendancy of Maria Yanez was not discussed. Her father Juan was a sibling (maybe half sibling) of Jacinta de Oliva. How have you confirmed the ascendancy of Lucas Lomelin to Carlos Lomelin and Maria Benavides?

Re. Dispensa #3: How have you established that Joseph Lomelin is son of the same Domingo Lomelin wed to Juana de Mendoza?

Re. Dispensa #6: How did you confirm the parents of Francisca Duran. I have her parents being Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo but that is only because Los Altos de Jalisco by Sergio Gutierrez show Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo having a daughter named Francesca

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Re. Dispensa 6: I have answered my own question using the dispensa Manny provided on his thread.

1605
Nochistlán. Zac. Junio 17 de 1730. Exp. 38 - Dispensa de cuarto grado de
consanguinidad - Joseph Thadeo Casillas, español de 22 años de edad, oríginano
y vecino de este Curato, hijo legítimo de Vicente Casillas y de Agustina Gómez,
difunta; con María de Aguayo, española de 40 años de edad, originaria y vecina
de este Curato, hija legítima de Bernardino de Aguayo y de Magdalena de la
Dueña, difuntos. ¡Declaración del pretenso; Por ser bisnietos ambos de dos
hermanos que lo fueron Antonio y Regina de Aguayo. Regina tuvo por hija a
Francisca Duran, y Francisca tuvo por hijo a Vicente Casillas. Vicente tuvo por
hijo a Joseph Thadeo pretenso, y Antonio de Aguayo, tuvo por hijo a Antonio de
Aguayo. Antonio tuvo por hijo a Bernardino de Aguayo. Bernardino tuvo por hija a
María de Aguayo pretensa. Se otorgó la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en
4 de juüo de 1730. 11 fojas.

The

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Alex,

Does this mean that Juan Benavides wife was named Aguayo, also since you mention Antonio de Aguayo and Diego de Aguayo, do you think they descend from the conquistadors Antonio de Aguayo, who also had a brother named Diego de Aguayo, mentioned here:

https://books.google.com/books?id=8IpnAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA3&dq=%22Aguayo,…

Danny C. Alonso

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Danny,

We cannot say with certainty with Juan Benavides wife's last name is.

Additional comment:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH98-1Q?i=89&wc=3P9N-VZ9%3…

In the marriage of Diego de Aguayo son of Diego de Aguayo and Isabel Vergara to Isabel Perez daughter of Sebastian de la Cruz Bermejo and Andrea Gonzalez, there are two witnesses:

Diego Sandoval married to Maria Delgadillo and Antonio Legaspi married to Magdalena Sandoval.

Antonio Legaspi states that the Diego de Aguayo to be wed is his wife's "primo en tercer grado"

The tree would look like:

Geronimo Benavides and Catalina Cortes
Geronima Benavides ----------1--- Juan Benavides (Isabel de Silva)
Catalina Cortes--------------2--- Diego de Aguayo (Isabel Arizaga)
Cecilia Vasquez de Sandoval--3--- Diego de Aguayo (Isabel Perez)
Magdalena Sandoval-----------4

Is this a primo en terco grado relationship? If so its further confirmation of this theory

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Hi Alex,

I have a very hard time understanding the relationships on the dispensa's and really have difficulty following the trees, but I'm trying to see if this changes the relationships of my ancestor Juana Vasquez de Sandoval, daughter of Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes and wife of Andres Duran, son of Juan Simon Duran and Regina de Aguayo. Who are they saying Catalina Cortes (wife of Juan Moscoso) is the daughter of? And, who are they saying Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Duran) is the daughter of?

Paige

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I've been working on this all weekend and this is a very solid theory. I am to the point where I am comfortable putting this information in my own tree.

The sole primary source that I know of that appears to affect the theory is the mention that Diego de Aguayo is Regina's grandfather (See Re. Aguayo connection). This made me question as to if Andres Duran was actually the child of Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo. And if there was an Aguayo line that was being tangled up in this mess.

I looked to disprove or prove this fact on my own. I ended up disproving that Diego de Aguayo, the witness in the IM is not the grandfather of Regina Aguayo, daughter of Andres and Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion (I still have no idea who Diego de Aguayo is though). I assume here that everyone is in agreement that the parents of Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion's parents are Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes so the question is who are Andres Duran's parents?

Dispensa #A: Here is a dispensa for Lucas

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Danny,

Im saying that provided additional proof that Juan Duran is the father of Andres Duran! And added that Diego de Aguayo is not Andres' father according to the records.

Alex

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Danny,

Im saying that provided additional proof that Juan Duran is the father of Andres Duran! And added that Diego de Aguayo is not Andres' father according to the records.

Alex

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I believe the source of the confusion is this paragraph, which I cannot edit:

"I looked to disprove or prove this fact on my own. I ended up disproving that Diego de Aguayo, the witness in the IM is not the grandfather of Regina Aguayo, daughter of Andres and Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion (I still have no idea who Diego de Aguayo is though). I assume here that everyone is in agreement that the parents of Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion's parents are Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes so the question is who are Andres Duran's parents?"

It should read:

I looked to disprove or prove this fact on my own. I ended up PROVING that Diego de Aguayo, the witness in the IM is NOT the grandfather of Regina Aguayo, daughter of Andres and Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion (I still have no idea who Diego de Aguayo is though). I assume here that everyone is in agreement that the parents of Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion's parents are Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes so the question is

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Alex, thank you, I wasn't sure. and i agree with Paige, sometimes the dispensas are too hard to follow with so many of the same people with the same names. But I do agree this is great research. David and you have really put a lot of effort at solving this.

Danny C. Alonso

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Danny

The trick for me in analyzing the proposed genealogy was to go through all the dispensas cited in the original post and draw the trees using only the information provided in the dispensas. After you have done that, it all really falls into place quite elegantly despite there being individuals with the same name.

Its those secondary sources that messed with the Benavides line!

Alex

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Hi Alex,

I know the question was asked whether Juan Benavides was married to an Aguayo and you said that we can't say for sure what his wife's name was, but, it looks like at some points in the thread that Ysabel de Silva is married to Juan Benavides, is that right?

Mia M.

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I should preface that I am no expert in the Aguayo genealogy. I've only really dove into it since this was posted.

Here are the facts:

There is a marriage record for a Diego de Aguayo son of Isabel de Silva, widow, marrying Isabel Beatriz, daughter of Isabel, widow.

ASSUMING Isabel Beatriz of the marriage record is Isabel Vergara Arziaga, then Juan Benavides married Isabel de Silva.

Adding further evidence to this theory is that a grandaughter of Juan Benavidez and unconfirmed Isabel de Silva is Isabel Aguayo who married Miguel Gutierrez. She uses both the Aguayo and Silva surname. (Silva surname is used in the marriage of their son Pedro to Maria Rodriguez in 1671, sorry I don't have links to the documents at the moment).

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245Luigi:

There are several dispensations that confirm that: Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla), and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran) are siblings. We know from the marriage of Diego de Aguayo to Ysabel de Arizaga, dated 18 May 1633, that Diego de Aguayo's mother (and ultimately Diego, Antonio, and Regina de Aguayo's mother) is named as "Ysabel de Silva" and that she is a widow.

In my Dispensas 5, 6, and 7, we have Ysabel de Aguayo, Carlos Casillas, and Maria Duran who are all described as being related in the 4th degree to Petronila de Isla, Magdalena Sandoval, and Juan Sandoval. We already know that Petronila de Isla, Magdalena Sandoval, and Juan Sandoval, are all grandchildren of Catalina Cortes (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval)-- who is the daughter of Geronima de Benavides (I) as per my Despensas 1 & 2. That left open the question: What 4th degree ancestor did Ysabel de Aguayo, Carlos Casillas, and

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ALSO:

Ysabel de Silva/Aguayo is confirmed as per the following dispensa:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VT92-DP?mode=g&i=86&cc=187…

Tree:
Trunk: Juan de Benavides & Ysabel de Silva
Antono de Aguayo-1-Regina de Aguayo
Ysabel de Silva/Aguayo-2-Maria Duran
Pedro Gutierrez-3-Nicolas Munoz
Juan Gutierrez-4-Nicolasa Munoz

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David,

Thank you for adding this additional explanation to your already excellent research. Now, this all makes complete sense. This is amazing work. Thank you also Alex for answering many of my questions. Excellent job everyone.

Paige

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Thank you for the very thorough response. Could you please explain the confirmation for Isabel de Silva in the 2nd paragraph of your reply?

I agree via primary source that Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla), and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran) are siblings and children of Juan Benavides. I dont understand how the dispensas tie in Isabel de Silva. For example is Juan Benavides was married to another woman besides Isabel de Silva, the dispensas would read the same.

There is the marriage of Diego de Aguayo son of Isabel Silva marrying Isabel Beatriz but there isnt enough info in it to claim this is the marriage of Diego de Aguayo and Isabel de Arizaga Vergara. I actually believe this is their marriage record, I'm just curious if there is a primary source tying Isabel Silva to the siblings. The fact a granddaughter uses the name Isabel Silva really convinces me.

Side Question: I dont have any documents including

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Danny:

Hypothetically, Ysabel de Silva (wife of Juan de Benavides) could be the daughter of an Aguayo and a Silva. However, we need some kind of primary evidence for this. It would be hard to say exactly where Aguayo is coming from at this point. It may come from further back in Juan or Ysabel's pedigrees then we currently know of. Such was the case with Ynes Martinez Baca/Isla (wife of Cristobal Mexia) who was carrying the name of her great-grandmother Ynes Martinez Baca (wife of Juan Lozano).

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Alex:

The dispensas do not tie to Ysabel de Silva because they do not pass through her, per se. I am using the 1633 marriage of Diego de Aguayo, which names his mother as Ysabel de Silva. I am also using the fact that Antonio de Aguayo and Luisa de Isla's daughter uses the name Ysabel de Silva as confirmation that Antonio, Diego, and Regina's mother is also named Ysabel de Silva.

Andres de Cueva appears as the husband of Maria de Benavides when they are Padrinos to

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Thank you again for the reply and clarifying all of the available sources. I'm seeing the same thing and making the same conclusions. Great work! I've changed my tree to reflect this updated genealogy.

Some more pieces for the puzzle:

There is the Catalina Cortes who passed away in 1652 who you discussed in the original post. I'm betting she is the Catalina Cortes who is the mother of Maria Benavides (Carlos Lomelin) and grandmother of Francisco Paez (Francisca Sanchez Carranza).

In the 1649 Census of Nochistlan, Maria Benavides cc (Carlos Lomelin) is a widow and in her household are:
Maria de Lomelin cc and her husband Nicolas de Contreras cc (explictly stated)
Juana Lomelin N
Ines de Contreras N
Jose de Lomelin N
Catalina Cortes cc, widow

cc = confession and communion, c = confession, N = none (this assists in giving an indication of age)

Source: Los Altos de Jalisco, Padrones Parroquiales Del Siglo XVII, By Sergio Gutierrez, Vol 1, Pg 27.

Given the updated genealogy, I

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Alex and David

This answer makes me wonder something. Since we know there's multiple Catalina Cortés's and multiple Benavides with the same name and since it seems like Ysabel de Silva is the wife of Juan de Benavides and mother of Regina de Aguayo and the other Aguayos and it seems unlikely that Juan de Benavides is the actual source of Aguayo, could it be that there actually is a Diego de Aguayo married to an Ysabel de Silvia and that the Ysabel de Silvia that's married to Juan de Benavides is actually the daughter of the first Ysabel de Silva?

Danny C. Alonso

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Its great that this has been reworked! I havent been able to sit down and review it yet but I'm very excited to do so!

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Thanks to David, Manny Ronnie, and others for straightening out this mess. I descend from most, if not all, of these lines multiple times. I really appreciate the work done to straighten out these lines. the mess that secondary sources made of these lines is similar to the mess many secondary sources made with the Pantoja Merlo lines.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

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Genealogist

thank you for your research. i think a lot of it makes sense but i think some of it like the part where Juan Benavides is the patriarch of the Aguayo family seems unusual. i would really like to hear what Manny Diez has to say about this post. also, i want to know what you think of the conquistador Antonio de Aguayo, who also had a brother named Diego de Aguayo, and what you think his relationship is to these Aguayo's. Antonio de Aguayo was a conqueror of Nueva Galicia:

https://books.google.com/books?id=8IpnAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA3&dq=%22Aguayo,…

Danny C. Alonso