my search so far has taken me to the 9th great grandparents of me known as francisco de lira and or barbara perez. their daughter was efigenia de lira who had been born roughly 1702 and was baptized: Cinega De Mata, Jalisco, Mexico. she had married my bernandino martin and had known children names such as lucas, bernabe or lugarda martin. still having hard time trying to find out anything about bernandino martins parents who was a miguel martin. a marriage record was found concerning miguel martins marriage as 1719 in cinega mexico. dna matches me to perez sanchez and many other names associated to me. where can i go to find older records as im stuck in some areas ? thanks and god bless stephanie
Hi Steph,
Francisco de Lira was son of Juan de Lira and Maria de la Cruz (my g6s); Barbara de la Concepcion Sanchez Perez was daughter of Salvador Sanchez and Petrona Perez. They were married 19 May 1695, in Cienega de Mata.
Juan de Lira was son of Francisco de Lira and Maria Francisca Hernandez, who were Indians (criados of Juan Marin of Aguascalientes, in 1654). Maria de la Cruz, aka Maria de la Candelaria Quezada, was daughter of Nicolas Quezada and Maria de la Cruz, Mestizos from San Felipe, Gto. Juan de Lira and Maria de la Cruz did their IM in San Felipe on 20 Nov 1666, and they were married there, on 26 Jan 1667. After marrying, she started using her mother's name, Maria de la Cruz.
The Lira's lived on Chinampas, in Cienega de Mata. There were other families named Lira who lived on Chinampas, contemporaries, who are probably siblings of Francisco de Lira (I), though I haven't been able to link them.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Hi Steph,
From my notes: Francisco de Lira and Francisca Hernandez were said to be servants on the hacienda called Chinampas, in Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal.
Though the only primary source document I’ve seen categorizes Francisco and Francisca as Indios, as adults, their children would be listed as Mestizos.
The children of Francisco de Lira and Francisca Hernandez are:
a. Juan de Lira Hernandez, m. Maria de la Cruz, 26 Jan 1667, San Felipe Apostol, Gto.
b. Nicolasa de Lira Hernandez, m. Gabriel Garcia, 27 Jul 2670, Inmaculada Concepcion, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal.
c. Maria de Lira Hernandez, m. Blas Martin de los Reyes, 2 Jun 1673, Inmaculada Concepcion, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal.
d. Micaela de Lira Hernandez, m. Jose Garcia, 2 Oct 1680, Inmaculada Concepcion, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal.
e. Tomas de Lira Hernandez, b. 24 Feb 1654, Asuncion de Maria, Ags; m. Andrea Antonia, 4 Jun 1684, Inmaculada Concepcion, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal.
f. Augustin de Lira Hernandez
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Hi to you Manny I meets another cousin ! this is wonderful-- I did find out that Salvador Sanchez in record shown here for marriage listed his parents so we are one step closer whoo hoo! did find a few of his children also which is great! am i reading that correctly? if my mind serves me correctly the term was servant? is there any way we can see or find out what the marins were like or anything? interested to know more of the family histories.ty!https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…
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so while reading looks as if juan de lira might have married 2 times am i correct in this?
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Hi Steph,
There was more than one man named Juan de Lira, living on Cienega de Mata and at the same time. There were also:
- Juan de Lira “II” cc Maria de la Rosa (born bef 1655); parents of Juan de Lira “IIb” cc Juana de Dios Ubaldo.
- Juan de Lira “III”cc Maria de la Concepcion (born bef 1658)
- Juan de Lira “IV” cc Andrea Beatriz India (born bef 1671)
As far as I can tell, the first 2 are not the same person, since they had children at the same time. Juan IV might be one of the others.
Neither of them are Juan de Lira “I” cc Maria de la Cruz aka Maria de la Encarnacion Quezada, since their timelines don’t match up (less than 9 months between births of children).
There are other “Lira’s” living on Chinampas who I haven’t been able to identify; they might be related, or “Lira” could’ve been a “Christian” surname given to newly indoctrinated Indians, the way “Cruz” and “Reyes” were used. Also, you’ll have hijos naturales of Lira women, and orphans, raised in Lira households, who
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