Hi!
If any of you would have the time, I would appreciate if one could help me decipher the following in the record below:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KHLM-6?i=39&wc=3J6S-GP…
Specifically, I am interested in the marriage entry for Jose Ramos (Yndio) and Maria Patricia (Yndia).
I am aware Jose's parents are Sevastian Ramos (please verify that the abbreviation in the image is for Sevastian) and Nicolasa Juana. However, I have no idea what the rancho is supposed to be that comes after his name. If someone could decipher it, I would appreciate it, and if someone knew where it was (at least in relation to Sayula so I can do further research) I would appreciate it.
As for his wife, I have figured out her name and her parents' names but I would also appreciate the help with regards to her geographic origination.
I can read Spanish well, so if you can help in Spanish or English I would appreciate it.
Thanks!
Rafa
Hi Rafa,
It's been a long time since I looked at any records but here's what I see:
En veinte de junio de mil setecientos setenta y cuatro, se casaron y velaron in facie ecclesie, Jose Ramos, indio, de Barrio de San Mateo hijo legitimo de Sebastian Ramos, difunto, y de Nicolasa Juana y Maria Patricia, india, de Barrio de Adviento, hija legitima de Sebastian Pablo, difunto, y de Maria Bartola, a quienes hice sus informaciones y se publicaron en los dias veintinueve de mayo, tres y cinco del presente de que no resultó impedimento; fueron testigos Domingo Luis y Sebastian Damian y padrinos Pedro Manuel y Maria Micaela y lo firme como parroco:
Francisco de Dios Sobrado
Chris
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Thank you! Any idea about what a barrio is in comparison to a rancho at that time? Is it like an Indian "rancho" or site? A street name?
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I believe that a barrio would be a smaller section of a town or city within its main residential section. A rancho pertaining to a town may be outside the main town or city. The rancho may be inside city limits, but usually it is outside the main residential areas of the town.
A cousin of mine owns a small rancho inside a barrio of a town so that is also possible. The town grew and built around his small rancho. On one side of the river is the main town. As you pass over the river you can see his rancho immediately to the left. just past his rancho, there was another rancho that bacame a barrio as they divided it up into lots and built up that whole area. So my cousins rancho is its own ranch, and surrounded by the residential areas of the town. His rancho is considered to be part of the newer barrio. It is relatively newer. When I was a kid it was already a small barrio that people made fun of and still called it a ranch. Sixty years later, it is a large residential section with
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Thank you.
Is there a specific forum where we can get help with reading records after we have found them?
I would hate to pester this forum with questions about helping me read the documents, but with older entries and poor handwriting it is very difficult for me to catch everything that is written other than names and even then some abbreviations are foreign to me.
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Hello Rafael,
I have found this forum to be a great place to get help in reading records. It is ok “to pester this forum with questions about helping me read the documents”. But if you are a serious researcher you need to work on learning how to decipher documents since relying all the time for someone else to do it for you will place a big limitation on how much research you can get done. Genealogy research takes a lot of time and much patience. I have gone months without finding any information, and then suddenly, I find a thread that leads to a treasure trove. Sometimes it takes a long time to unravel the thread. It is often easy to overlook a thread and that is why we researchers need to go back and review documents, looking for the smallest clues. These threads or clues may be missed if you don’t pick up strategies and practice in finding them. And you aren’t wasting another researcher’s time in asking for help. I have gained much knowledge and practice by helping others
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