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Hello,
I'm hoping that someone can help me. I was looking at some trees online and I found a tree with SANCHO DE RENTERIA family. This tree had attached some images from two Books, unfortunately without the names of the books. One of them looks like PROTOCOLOS, and the other one deaths in Guadalajara.
One book reads:
1627. Peticion de Sancho de Renteria Alcalde Mayor que fue del pueblo de Juchipila, para que certifique no haber muerto, durante el termino de su cargo, ninguna persona interesada, ni haberse dejado legados para Espana.- 3fs

Other book reads:
326 - 14 noviembre de 1661 - murio "Dona francisca de Renteria" - viuda de Francisco Rodriguez Ponze" - se enterro en la Catedral - testo ante "Diego perez de Ribera" Escribano Real y Publico - albaceas " franco (francisco) rs (Rodriguez)" Ponze su hijo y miguel de Renteria su hermano: - herederos "Don francisco Rodriguez ponze y dona catalina de renteria y ponse sus hijos".

I would appreciated any help

thanks

sus

Published by ssales1984 – Sun, 2023-10-08 14:37 | Permalink

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Dear Members,

I come to a topic I have proposed that has not gotten much traction: indexing the Protocolos of Guadalajara.  I wanted to give you an example of why I think this would be very worthwhile.  I found the will/testamento of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce from 1660.  I know it has been mentioned before, but from my search of our Forum topics, it does not appear that anyone had seen the actual images or an actual full transcription.  It is a veritable treasure trove for us genealogists!  Below I will include both a partial transcription, and an outline some of the relationships that it details.  It seem to me that he really cared about familial relationships, because he went into a level of detail that I have not seen in other wills, as to  how people are related that are not even in his direct line.  He also often mentioned if the people he was referring to were still living.  Finally, he was extremely  rich.  He received 20,000 pesos in dowry from his mother in law Maria Verdugo

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Published by ibarra55 – Sat, 2020-02-01 17:58 | Permalink

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Hi all,

I just took another look at my file on Diego Rentería Mujica and I wrote a note that his parents are named in the meritos of the chantre Diego Flores de la Torre. I am not sure if I meant the one held at the Bancroft Special Collections at UCB or the one that was posted on another thread here, and available on PARES:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24573

I can check back through my poor quality photos of the Bancroft version and see if that's where I saw it. I have a vague memory that it was in a section where Diego was listing his relatives toward the end of the meritos. However, this only solves the problem in part, given the possibility Diego could have been mistaken. But at any rate, it is a relatively good bet that they were his parents.

Hope this helps for now, but will post again when I find more.

Richard

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Richard,

Thank you so much for posting. This is a great lead as it helps confirm some of my prior research, but I hope you can still help clarify the mystery around the parents of Diego de Rentería. Would you please clarify where you found the parents of Diego Rentería Mujica, as I have not been able to find them. Let me explain. I have only been able to access the link you included (I have not been able to see the Bancroft Collection): http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24573

Reading the post I followed the Pares link:

Indiferente General/MERITOS: Diego Flores de la Torre
Fecha: 1674-7-16
Relación de méritos y servicios del bachiller Diego Flores de la Torre, arcediano de la catedral de Guadalajara, hijo del licenciado Diego Pérez de la Torre, gobernador y capitán general de Nueva Galicia, y de Ángela de Velasco.
Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/23.15.195//INDIFERENTE,201,N.1

From the post, it seems genealogy starts on image 77 and from what I have been able to tell, there

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Saludos Luis,

Thank you so much for sharing all of these other leads!

First, I went back to my images from the Bancroft microfilm, which seems to have much of the same things from the meritos on PARES but perhaps a bit extra. For example, it has a section where Diego Flores de la Torre presents "Los Quatro Grados de Parientes de este Linaje". I am not sure if I am permitted to post my images according to the agreement I signed many years ago with Berkeley special collections in order to take these images, but if you email me at richrocks92@gmail.com I will happily provide you with the three images that have the list of parientes.

The lists are very sparse and some inference is required to place descendants with their respective ancestors. Under tercer grado he lists simply "hijos de Sancho de Renteria", which is not incredibly helpful since it does not give their names. In the next generation - quarto grado - he lists "los hijos de la senora D. Catalina muger que fue de D. Pedro de

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Richard,

I wanted to respond today to let you know that I have read your response. Thank you too for your notes! I will be working on a more meaningful response to your questions this weekend, but for now I wanted to post a few comments:

1) Although I acknowledge some of this is inference, I also agree with you in that it is likely that the "D. Nicolas Sarmiento" that you say is mentioned in the "Los Quatro Grados de Parientes de este Linaje" of the "Meritos of Diego Flores" is indeed the same Nicolas baptized in Guadalajara in 1620 (son of Diego de Renteria and Isabel Sarmiento). This is likely given that his Mother "Isabel Sarmiento" bears his surname. Agreed this is not conclusive at this point, but man, that's pretty darn close! If I recall correctly, there is another Nicolás which would be of the same 4th Generation, but I don't believe he is associated with the Sarmientos. I will check my notes.

2) Regarding your question about Inquisition Links, I don't know if you were

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Luis you wrote:
"Publicación: Desfaciendo entuertos: las hijas del conquistador Pedro Pacho, Autor: Francisco Javier Castaños y Cañedo - En la Página 325 aparece que Angela de Velasco, CC Sancho de Rentería, tuvieron una hija llamada Francisca de Rentería CC General Don Francisco Rodríuez Ponce. Dice al pie de página (página 326), "Sancho de Rentería, el Mozo"" nacido hacia 1560, era hermano de Don Juan, OBISPO DE CACERES, en Filipinas. (Dato del P. Treviño, S.J.). P. 330 de esta obra incluye algunas fuentes documentales. Quizás valga la pena seguir estas fuentes para ver si arrojan más pistas"
Do you know the name of the book he was refering to??: "P. Treviño, S.J."

thank you

sus

Published by ielbron – Thu, 2019-12-26 01:06 | Permalink

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Hello Sus and Forum Members,

I am also investigating this family line and I wanted to ask you and others in this Forum if you have any luck finding additional information on Sancho de Rentería Married to Ángela de Velasco. I am trying to find evidence that Diego de Rentería y Mújica (married to Isabel Sarmiento), is the son of Sancho de Rentería and Ángela de Velasco. So far, I have found several references in family trees and publications on the internet where they show that this is the case, but none offer a source. If anyone in this group can share a source that shows that Diego de Rentería y Mújica (married to Isabel Sarmiento), is the son of Sancho de Rentería and Ángela de Velasco, I would really appreciate it. If you don't have the source but could point me in the right direction, that would be helpful as well.

I wanted to share a link, that may be useful to you Sus. It is regarding a "Limpieza de Sangre" for Juan de Rentería, the father of Sancho de Rentería. These

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Jorge,

I'm sorry, I haven't made much progress on documentary evidence of Diego's parents. I hit a brick wall on this several months ago and was hoping this group could help. I am still hopeful someone in this group could help with some clues. For now, I'm still looking and if you are also looking, perhaps we can post weekly or monthly updates regularly, whether we have found anything or not. Would you like to share where you have searched so far or if you have any leads? I'd be happy to share my thoughts as well.

Respectful shout out to this group to see if anyone has any documentary evidence that the parents of Diego de Renteria Mujica were Angela de Velasco and Sancho de Rentería. Thank you all.

Regards,
Luis

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Veo que hay mucha especulación sobre si Diego de Rentería, marido de Isabel Sarmiento, es hijo de Sancho de Rentería y Ángela Flores de Velasco. Tengo varias consideraciones que hacer al respecto:
1) El Chantre Diego Flores de la Torre, en su documento resguardado en The Bancroft, dice que:
“El sobredicho Diego Flores de la Torre (no confundir con el Chantre, es su abuelo) y doña Ángela tuvieron otra hija llamada Ángela, casó con Sancho de Rentería, criollo de las minas de Guachinango, hermano del Ilustrísimo don Juan de Rentería, que fue obispo de Cáceres en Filipinas; por ser yo sobrino de su hermano, me tuvo en su casa y mesa en México, y por este beneficio lo tengo retratado en mi casa. Sancho de Rentería tuvo tres hijos: Sancho, casado con Águeda del Río, tuvieron una hija, doña Ángela casó con Juan del Campo de la Torre, gente noble y principal; el otro hijo, Diego de Rentería, casó con doña Emerenciana, hermana de Isabel, la sobredicha arriba mujer de Diego Flores; tuvieron

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Veo que hay mucha especulación sobre si Diego de Rentería, marido de Isabel Sarmiento, es hijo de Sancho de Rentería y Ángela Flores de Velasco. Tengo varias consideraciones que hacer al respecto:
1) El Chantre Diego Flores de la Torre, en su documento resguardado en The Bancroft, dice que:
“El sobredicho Diego Flores de la Torre (no confundir con el Chantre, es su abuelo) y doña Ángela tuvieron otra hija llamada Ángela, casó con Sancho de Rentería, criollo de las minas de Guachinango, hermano del Ilustrísimo don Juan de Rentería, que fue obispo de Cáceres en Filipinas; por ser yo sobrino de su hermano, me tuvo en su casa y mesa en México, y por este beneficio lo tengo retratado en mi casa. Sancho de Rentería tuvo tres hijos: Sancho, casado con Águeda del Río, tuvieron una hija, doña Ángela casó con Juan del Campo de la Torre, gente noble y principal; el otro hijo, Diego de Rentería, casó con doña Emerenciana, hermana de Isabel, la sobredicha arriba mujer de Diego Flores; tuvieron

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Published by R.A.Ricci – Thu, 2019-03-28 18:07 | Permalink

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I have four people named Sancho De Rentería that lived in the 1500’s and early 1600’s in Nueva Galicia.

The Sancho Rentería that is the son of Juan Renteria and Juana Pereira is not my ancestor.

The other three “Sancho De Rentería” listed here are my ancestors.

1). Sancho de Rentería is the son, or son=in -law, of : Hernando Mujica, “contador de Guadalajara” and “Francisca Porres Baranda y Temiño de la Mota. “ I do not have a wife for this Sancho. Sancho’s son:

2).Sancho de Rentería Mujica (Moxica, Mohica) and Angela Velasco (De la Torre). I Repeat the fact that this Sancho has grandparents named Hernando Mujica, “contador de Guadalajara” and “Francisca Porres Baranda y Temiño de la Mota. [It is unknown to me whether they are his paternal or maternal grandparents.]. Sancho and Angela’s son:

3)Capitán Sancho de Rentería y Velasco and Águeda Del Río y Losa (Águeda descends from both Gines Vasquez De Mercado who is honored every year in Spain for his generosity

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Hello,

According to several trees online Capitan Sancho de Renteria cc Agueda del Rio de la Loza is the son of Sancho de Renteria cc Angela Velasco.

The problem is that I can't find any source to make this connection. Does anyone know how to link these two Sanchos?

I have now some informacion about Sancho de Renteria father (cc Angela Velasco), but first I need to make the connection with the son.

thanks

sus

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I've never seen a direct source for this either, but Sancho and Agueda had a daughter named Angela de Velasco cc Juan del Campo de la Torre. Their daughter (my ancestor) Juana de la Torre cc Miguel de Olague uses most of the surnames from the female sides of her family - Gamboa, del Rio, Mojica, and Velasco.

I don't have the link to Agueda del Rio's will, but if you haven't seen it she names her daughter there

~ Andrea

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Thank you so much Andrea for the information.
Do you know if there is any documentation linking Sancho de Renteria (cc Agueda del Rio ) to any of the sisters?

Thanks

susana

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this is the part of her will written in 1655 that mentions her children and grandchildren

declaro que fui casada con el Capitán Sancho de Rentería, y
durante nuestro matrimonio tuvimos y procreamos por nuestros hijos a
doña Ángela del Río y Velasco, y a doña Josefa del Río y a Sancho de
Rentería. Y la dicha Josefa mi hija y Sancho, mi hijo, murieron en su
tierna edad. Y también declaró que yo casé a mi hija doña Ángela de
Velasco con el Capitán Juan del Campo y de la Torre, a la cual di y
entregue toda la parte que legitima que le pudor caber por herencia
paterna con muchos más bienes que yo tenía, destituyéndome de todo
para que lo gozase como bienes propios y dados con todo amor y
voluntad. Y del matrimonio de dichos mis hijos que son ya difuntos,
hubieron y procrearon por sus hijos legítimos a mis nietos doña
Juana de Velasco, a Manuel de la Torre y a Juan de la Torre, que hoy
están en mi poder(Foja: 1 vuelta) y compañía como mis nietos y como
mis menores como soy su tutora y

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Archivo del Arzobispado de Guadalajara, Jal. Copia obtenida por don
Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, quien tuvo a bien facilitar copia a los
genealogistas Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada y Leonardo de la Torre y
Berumen. y Leonardo me regalo esta copia
Shared by Salvador Cabral
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Last will and testament of Dona Agueda del Rio y Losa
Source: 169025 film sagrada mitra 1615-1670
Page 200 Familysearch online
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declaro que fui casada con el Capitán Sancho de Rentería, y
durante nuestro matrimonio tuvimos y procreamos por nuestros hijos a
doña Ángela del Río y Velasco, y a doña Josefa del Río y a Sancho de
Rentería. Y la dicha Josefa mi hija y Sancho, mi hijo, murieron en su
tierna edad. Y también declaró que yo casé a mi hija doña Ángela de
Velasco con el Capitán Juan del Campo y de la Torre, a la cual di y
entregue toda la parte que legitima que le pudor caber por herencia
paterna con muchos más bienes que yo tenía, destituyéndome de todo
para que lo gozase como bienes propios y dados con todo

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So yeah, with the Chantre document in the Bancroft, the Agueda will and the inquisition process against Diego it's confirmed that:
Angela de Velasco and Diego Flores de la Torre are the parents of Angela Velasco who married Sancho de Renteria (son of the Sancho who was a witness in Diego's process) and they in turn are parents of the third Sancho who married Agueda del Rio. (Then there's a fourth Sancho de Renteria and maybe also a fifth, but I personally haven't studied them yet.)

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inoeys:
Thank you for this information. Is there any link online where I can consult this Bancroft document where it says that
Diego Flores y D. Angela tuvieron otra hija llamada Doña Angela, casó con Sancho de Renteria, criollo de las minas de Guachinango y hermano del ilustrísimo D. Juan de Rentería fue obispo de Caseres en Filipinas (…) Sancho de Renteria tuvo tres hijos. Sancho casó en el Fresnillo con D. Agueda del Rio tuvieron una hija Da. Angela casó con Juan del Campo de la Torre gente noble y principal.
Thank you again.

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The "méritos of Diego Flores de la Torre" in the Spanish Archives (PARES) has the passage below:
Doña Ángela, ésta se casó con Sancho de Rentería, hermano del señor obispo don Juan de Rentería, ambos criollos de esta ciudad [de Guadalajara].

“MÉRITOS: Diego Flores de La Torre.” 2021. PARES. 2021. http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/2667780?nm, imagen 102 de 144.

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For all those who have been looking for the paper that confirms that Sancho and Angela are the parents of the Sancho who married Agueda del Rio" and also of Diego de Rentería, here's this excerpt from the document in the Bancroft collection:

“Diego Flores y D. Angela tuvieron otra hija llamada Doña Angela, casó con Sancho de Renteria, criollo de las minas de Guachinango y hermano del ilustrísimo D. Juan de Rentería fue obispo de Caseres en Filipinas (…) Sancho de Renteria tuvo tres hijos. Sancho casó en el Fresnillo con D. Agueda del Rio tuvieron una hija Da. Angela casó con Juan del Campo de la Torre gente noble y principal. El otro hijo Diego de Rentería casó con Da. Emerenciana(?) hermana de Da. Isabel (...). Sancho de Renteria tuvo otro hijo Miguel (...)”

Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Sat, 2019-02-09 02:24 | Permalink

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Hi Sus,

I was tracking Francisca de Renteria, hija de Sancho Renteria Mojica cc Angela de Velasco, since I have an ancestor with that same name, and I wanted to see if there was any connection. Here’s Francisca’s burial:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJ99-VV?i=114&wc=3JW2-…

Her sister was Maria de Renteria cc Francisco Palomino Rendon Narvaez. I have the Renteria’s originating in Lepe, Huelva, Spain, though I don’t know where I got that.

Here’s a link to the protocolos de Guadalajara.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Ba…

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hi Sus and Manny,

I can't be of much help, but I have also been looking into this family. I have seen a few different sources that might offer some clues. First, I think that there were at least 3 Sancho Renterias living in Nueva Galicia in the 16th century. There is one who is the son of Juan de Renteria, alcalde mayor of Zacatecas cc. Elvira de Pereira y Rivera, who died as a child in 1565. Second there is Sancho de Renteria the alcalde mayor of Mexticacan who was born around 1534. Third, is the Sancho de Rentería Mujica who was teniente de alcalde in Juchipila cc. Angela de Velasco Flores de la Torre and son of the previous Sancho.

The three separate Sancho's are clarified most by information in the book La Inquisición en la Nueva Galicia, specifically in two separate trials. If you search Renteria you will find the relevant sections: https://archive.org/stream/lainquisicionenl00vill/lainquisicionenl00vil…

In the trial for Diego Flores de la Torre a witness is Sancho de

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I descend from Sancho de Renteria the alcalde mayor Mexticacan. I have him in my records as the son of Hernando de Moxica, the contador of Guadalajara. I don’t have a source added to the information so I don’t know where this information came from. I would appreciate any additional information that you can provide on him. I don’t have Hernando Moxica’s wife or Sancho’s mother listed in my records

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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I descend from Sancho de Renteria through his daughter Francisca de Renteria and her husband, Francisco Rodriguez Ponce. While I don't have Sancho's parents, I do have some documents pertaining to some of his grand-children and such:

  • Informaciones: Francisco Rodriguez Ponce - 1647
  • MERITOS: Diego Flores de la Torre - 1674
  • MERITOS: Pedro de Vidarte y Pardo - 1682



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    Hi Richard,

    Thank you so much for the explanation about "all" the sanchos. And the links for the books where I can find more information. If I come up with any other information, I will provide it.

    Thank you again

    sus

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    Hi Manny,

    Thank you so much for the information. I'm going to look at the links. Please keep me inform if you come up with any other info about the elusive "Sancho de Renteria"

    saludos

    sus