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Ray: Yes. That's me. I haven't seen you in the Redmond center lately. I'm there normally on Tuesdays and Thursdays. See you soon susana
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Jonathan: Definitely I will contact you when I know the date of my trip to Utah. It will be nice to see you again. This time I want to take some clases in the library, if possible. I will also look at your power point presentation. Thank you so much for all your help Susana Leniski
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Jonathan: Yes that's me. You gave me one of your CD's. It's been a wonderful source of information. Are you still going to the library regulary? I'm planning to be there in May. Are you going to be there? Susana Leniski
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Arturo: It will be great if you can send me the information that you have. I have a book about Miguel Caldera, but I don't have the sources to be able to link him to Pedro Cid Caldera. (Father of Catalina Cid Caldera). Where did you find this information?. I just submitted my information for the Cid Caldera Lineage. It is in Ranchos2. To ALL: I am very happy to meet so many cousins, and specially to share my information. Thank you so much for your kind words. Thanks Susana Leniski
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Hi!
I'd like to know more about Antonio and Catalina Carlos de Godoy, since I descend from them both. I would like to know more about the origins of the Carlos de Godoy family, since it is a common name in the area.
I'm off to look at Susana's information-- welcome to the group, Susana. I'm searching the Jerez/Tepetongo/Huejucar/Colotlan/Totatiche areas. I'm interested to see what you have.
Rosalinda
Diamond Bar, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: Arturo Ramos
Sent: Dec 12, 2005 5:48 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: introduction-new member of los ranchos
Susana:
I have some information at home that may shed more light on this... I
have a lot of stary pieces of information that I think your
comprehensive genealogical information will put together. One is
that Antonio Carlos de Godoy's wife, Catalina Cid Caldera was the
grand-niece of Miguel de Caldera, of fame, pacificador de los
Chichimecas y Justicia Mayor de los Valles de Jerez y Tlaltenango...
her father, Pedro Cid Caldera was the son of Hernan Gonzalez and
Miguel Caldera's half-sister, Maria Cid Caldera.
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...>
wrote:
>
> Arturo:
>
> I'm at the same point you are. I have 2 more brothers for Antonio
Carlos de Godoy and Catalina Carlos de Godoy (Sebastian and Juan). I
don't know their father's name. I know the mother was Maria Rosales,
and the grandmother was Agustina Rosales. A Historian from Zacatecas
told me that the father's name was Juan Carlos de Godoy, but he
didn't give the sources for this information. Look at my file in
Ranchos2, in the same file you can see the sources for the
information that I have.
>
> Shortly I will be submitting the file for the De la Torre line.
Thanks for the link. I'm going to check your info
>
> Regards
> Susana Leniski
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arturo Ramos
> To: ranchos@...m
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:01 AM
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: introduction-new member of los ranchos
>
>
> Susana:
>
> I have a couple of lineages that go back to the Carlos de Godoy
> family in Jerez. I have actually not been able to get further
back
> than the fact that these two people (who are both my ancestors)
were
> siblings born circa 1630? but I don't have their parents' names:
>
> 1. Antonio CARLOS DE GODOY
> 2. Catalina CARLOS DE GODOY
>
> http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?
> personID=I96&tree=RamosPinedo
>
> I also have a lot of De La Torre lineages from Zacatecas, which
you
> can search for in that same database.
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski"
<susyfarias@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm the newest member of the group. My name is Susana Leniski.
I
> was born and raised in Mexico City, Mexico. I
attended "Universidad
> Metropolitana" in Mexico City where I majored in International
> Business. Following my education, I worked for various US based
firms
> in Mexico. In 1990, I moved to the United States following my
> husband's career and have lived in New York, Philadelphia, St
Louis,
> and Seattle. I now live in Seattle, Washington.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was introduced to Geneology thru my Grandmother on my mothers
> side. She was the one who gave me the information to my first
family
> tree. The information that she gave me was invaluable. Because of
my
> family history, I specialize in Mexico and Spain research from
early
> 1900's to the 1500's. I have successfully traced some family
lines to
> the 1600s in diverse areas of Mexico including Queretaro,
Zacatecas,
> and Mexico City. Other lines have led to research in the Basque,
> Catalonia, and Andalusia region of Spain as far back as the
1500's
> (Basque region).
> >
> >
> >
> > I have acted as a Genealogy volunteer in the family centers in
> Philadelphia and Seattle helping others with research and
> translations of records in Spanish. This is where I normally do
my
> research. I have been a guest speaker in "Family History Expo's"
> sponsored The Church of Latter Day Saints here in Seattle. I also
> make an annual trip to the main Library in Utah.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also travel to Mexico nearly every year to visit family, many
> times for an extended time. During these periods I try to
allocate
> time for geneological research. In a few of these trips, I have
> researched historical data at the "Archivo General de la Nacion",
> and "Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia" in Mexico
City.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the surnames that I have reasearch in Zacatecas (Jerez,
and
> Tepetongo mainly) are: De la Torre (many lines), Carlos de Godoy,
> Salinas (Family of Don Francisco Garcia Salinas "Tatapacho"),
> Escobedo, Salas, Carrillo, Del Muro and Miranda. My family left
the
> area around 1820, so my reasearch in Zacatecas has been during
the
> 1600's and 1700's. During this period the majority of my data has
> been extracted from Church Dispensations from Guadalajara
(Sagrada
> Mitra- Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia). I will be submitting some
of
> these lines shortly.
> >
> >
> >
> > I look forward to exchanging information with the group.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Susana Leniski
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Arturo Ramos
Sent: Dec 12, 2005 5:48 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: introduction-new member of los ranchos
I have some information at home that may shed more light on this... I
have a lot of stary pieces of information that I think your
comprehensive genealogical information will put together. One is
that Antonio Carlos de Godoy's wife, Catalina Cid Caldera was the
grand-niece of Miguel de Caldera, of fame, pacificador de los
Chichimecas y Justicia Mayor de los Valles de Jerez y Tlaltenango...
her father, Pedro Cid Caldera was the son of Hernan Gonzalez and
Miguel Caldera's half-sister, Maria Cid Caldera.
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...>
wrote:
>
> Arturo:
>
> I'm at the same point you are. I have 2 more brothers for Antonio
Carlos de Godoy and Catalina Carlos de Godoy (Sebastian and Juan). I
don't know their father's name. I know the mother was Maria Rosales,
and the grandmother was Agustina Rosales. A Historian from Zacatecas
told me that the father's name was Juan Carlos de Godoy, but he
didn't give the sources for this information. Look at my file in
Ranchos2, in the same file you can see the sources for the
information that I have.
>
> Shortly I will be submitting the file for the De la Torre line.
Thanks for the link. I'm going to check your info
>
> Regards
> Susana Leniski
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arturo Ramos
> To: ranchos@...m
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:01 AM
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: introduction-new member of los ranchos
>
>
> Susana:
>
> I have a couple of lineages that go back to the Carlos de Godoy
> family in Jerez. I have actually not been able to get further
back
> than the fact that these two people (who are both my ancestors)
were
> siblings born circa 1630? but I don't have their parents' names:
>
> 1. Antonio CARLOS DE GODOY
> 2. Catalina CARLOS DE GODOY
>
> http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?
> personID=I96&tree=RamosPinedo
>
> I also have a lot of De La Torre lineages from Zacatecas, which
you
> can search for in that same database.
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski"
<susyfarias@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm the newest member of the group. My name is Susana Leniski.
I
> was born and raised in Mexico City, Mexico. I
attended "Universidad
> Metropolitana" in Mexico City where I majored in International
> Business. Following my education, I worked for various US based
firms
> in Mexico. In 1990, I moved to the United States following my
> husband's career and have lived in New York, Philadelphia, St
Louis,
> and Seattle. I now live in Seattle, Washington.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was introduced to Geneology thru my Grandmother on my mothers
> side. She was the one who gave me the information to my first
family
> tree. The information that she gave me was invaluable. Because of
my
> family history, I specialize in Mexico and Spain research from
early
> 1900's to the 1500's. I have successfully traced some family
lines to
> the 1600s in diverse areas of Mexico including Queretaro,
Zacatecas,
> and Mexico City. Other lines have led to research in the Basque,
> Catalonia, and Andalusia region of Spain as far back as the
1500's
> (Basque region).
> >
> >
> >
> > I have acted as a Genealogy volunteer in the family centers in
> Philadelphia and Seattle helping others with research and
> translations of records in Spanish. This is where I normally do
my
> research. I have been a guest speaker in "Family History Expo's"
> sponsored The Church of Latter Day Saints here in Seattle. I also
> make an annual trip to the main Library in Utah.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also travel to Mexico nearly every year to visit family, many
> times for an extended time. During these periods I try to
allocate
> time for geneological research. In a few of these trips, I have
> researched historical data at the "Archivo General de la Nacion",
> and "Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia" in Mexico
City.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the surnames that I have reasearch in Zacatecas (Jerez,
and
> Tepetongo mainly) are: De la Torre (many lines), Carlos de Godoy,
> Salinas (Family of Don Francisco Garcia Salinas "Tatapacho"),
> Escobedo, Salas, Carrillo, Del Muro and Miranda. My family left
the
> area around 1820, so my reasearch in Zacatecas has been during
the
> 1600's and 1700's. During this period the majority of my data has
> been extracted from Church Dispensations from Guadalajara
(Sagrada
> Mitra- Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia). I will be submitting some
of
> these lines shortly.
> >
> >
> >
> > I look forward to exchanging information with the group.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Susana Leniski
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Ed, Questions about the Archivo General de la Nacion: The Archivo that I visited is in Mexico City. It is located in an old Prison (Lecumberri). It is open just in the mornings. It is open partially to the public. Before you can see the records, you need approval. Normally you need only a letter, better if it is from an institution.. Also you need to bring an ID with you. They have different areas. The area of Genealogy, has many of the film that the LDS church has. They have an index just like in the library. In another area, they have microfilms of historical documents, like maps, census, etc. In another area, they have the actual documents. This area is closed to the public, or very restricted. One of the hardest things is to get in is photocopies of the microfilms. The staff is very helpful, specially if you describe your situacion. I would call in advance, to make sure that the place is going to be open (They take many vacations) Many times the website from Los Archivos posts copies of interesting documents. For example old maps, etc. I make it a routing to review their website this is the link: href="http://www.agn.gob.mx/">http://www.agn.gob.mx/ About the Church Dispensations. These documents are incredible, specially for anyone researching Jalisco, Aguascalientes or Zacatecas. They are many times a treasure chest. Dispensations were given for different reasons: style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 25pt"> MARRIAGE THAT REQUIRE DISPENSATION style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>? style="FONT-SIZE: 25pt"> style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> size=3>IF THE MARRIAGE HAD ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CASES style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> size=3>1. Relationship/Up to 4 generations back (They were related) style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 139%"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?2. Impotence style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 139%"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?3. Crimes (Adultery or Homicide) style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 139%"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?4. Chastity vows style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 139%"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?5. Priesthood style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 139%"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?6. Living wife style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 139%"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?7. Banns style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 139%"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?8. Minor style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 139%"> style="LEFT: -4.49%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?9. Not catholic style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="LEFT: -4.13%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>? Clandestine marriage, often initiated by abduction style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 25pt">11. Ultramarine (Coming from across the ocean) style="mso-line-spacing: '80 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 25pt">RELATIONSHIP CASES style="mso-line-spacing: '90 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 133%"> style="LEFT: -5.86%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet">? style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt">1. Consanguineous (Blood) style="mso-line-spacing: '90 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 133%"> style="LEFT: -5.86%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>?2. Affinity (by marriage) style="mso-line-spacing: '90 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="LEFT: -5.86%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet"> size=3>? Spiritual(god parentage) style="mso-line-spacing: '90 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 25pt"> style="mso-line-spacing: '90 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 25pt">As you can see, many marriages require a dispensation. It is great when you find dispensations describing a family tree (Dispensation for Relationship- Consaguineous, Affinity or Spiritual). Some of them have even an actual drawing of a tree. style="mso-line-spacing: '90 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 25pt"> style="mso-line-spacing: '90 20 0'; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1"> style="FONT-SIZE: 25pt">OK, How to find them?. I would recommend first getting the book from Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara"- Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galcia"- Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios Extractos Siglos XVII-XVIII. You can buy the book in Borderland book store is around $100.00. I bought mine in Mexico from the author directly. In the book, she review around 50 films (some of the oldest ones) and index them. It is a great source. If you can find who you are looking for in the book, you need to review the films by hand. They are in the LDS Library. The numbers are for example : #167971, #167993. They are 707 films in total. It covers from 1636-1899. I'm sending you the link: The films are organized roughly by years. In the same film you find a dispensation from Texas, another from Guadalajara, etc. They are organized in what I call "ORDEN DE CAIDA". A Typical dispensation has between 10 pages, but I have some as big as 25 pages. Many times it doesn't matter if the dispensations was for Banns(Amonestaciones), you can get genealogical information out of the document. For example I have one dispensation that The bride and the groom were requesting to have a secret marriage. The petition was denied. They wrote again describing in detail who they were (The prestige from the family). The dispensation was granted at the end. Normally you can review the rolls of films very quickly. Because of that when I go to the library in Utah, I allocate almost all my time to review these films. WARNING: When you review the film index (LDS Library Catalogue) go all the way to the end of the list. There are old films at the end of the list. Good hunting! Regards Susana Leniski
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