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Folks,
I can't remember where I read this, but in some parts of Mexico the term Coyote simply meant a Mestizo, with the person not necessarily being part black. It's probably safe to say that if a person is looking though records and seeing the terms coyote and mestizo used during the same time period, the coyote was probably someone who appeared to be part black and Indian. In researching ancestors from Durango, I found that people who were born mulato or coyote often got a classification upgrade when marrying an Espanol.
Alice
Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:
Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab=&Entry=&Guide=WLSpanis.ASP
[this is a might long link. if it doesn't work you might have to rebuild it in the URL window]
go to "Racial Ternminology"
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or:
go to www.familysearch.org and
go to "Library"
go to "Education"
go to "Family History Library Publications" [another
time go to "Research Guidance" and do a search under "Mexico" For a wealth of info]
go to "Word Lists"
go to "Spanish Genealogical Word list"
go to "Racial Terminology"
and you'll see that "Coyote" means:
Coyote
Spanish (�), Indian (3/8), and Negro (1/8)
I was trying to find other references but wasn't able to find any. If anyone has a cross reference to the meaning of Coyote that would be great. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is only one source of information and it would be safe to consider it but much safer to consider it in the light of another reference or two. Just like our genealogy when we see it once we have confidence but if we see the same couples over and over with other children we "know" we have it right. Never hurts and always helps to have multiple sources.
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keep the questions coming,
joseph
latina1955@... wrote:
In a message dated 3/12/2004 11:55:28 AM Central Standard Time, gmccrary@... writes:
The baptism
records for my family line have the children in one family labelled
as Indios, Mestizos and coyotes!
What are coyotes?
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I do believe that is true, but I've noticed that in certain branches of my family where the people are tall and fair, the genealogy does indeed identify the ancestors as mostly Spanish. My maternal grandfather was short, and sure enough he traced back to an Indian. I'm not sure I'd totally disregard the classifications. Have others noticed similar patterns?
Alice
Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
Note:
A couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from
SHARR, not to pay much attention to Mexican birth
records whenever race was noted. Such birth record
notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed
at that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the
person.
I doubt if any one us can say what our ethnic make up
is, I know I cannot.
We are just good people!
Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- marge vallazzawrote:
> I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one
> of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is
> listed as a mestiza. In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz
> Montejano Hilton, there's a marriage/consanguinity
> record of my ancestress' parents and their ancestors
> where they are clearly noted as espagnol. Lastly,
> her son's birth record lists him
as espanol. I
> think whichever priest wrote the record was sleeping
> on the job.:) Marge:)
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Coyote
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> Hello:
>
> In reference to being, Español, mulato/a, coyote,
> etc. I have an ancestor who is in different
> documents all of the above....go figure that one
> out! This was in Coahuila!!
>
> Mickey
>
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Note: A couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from SHARR, not to pay much attention to Mexican birth records whenever race was noted. Such birth record notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed at that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the person. I doubt if any one us can say what our ethnic make up is, I know I cannot. We are just good people! Alberto Duarte Prieto. --- marge vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote: > I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one > of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is > listed as a mestiza. In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz > Montejano Hilton, there's a marriage/consanguinity > record of my ancestress' parents and their ancestors > where they are clearly noted as espagnol. Lastly, > her son's birth record lists him as espanol. I > think whichever priest wrote the record was sleeping > on the job.:) Marge:) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MMG8938@... > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [ranchos] Coyote > > > Hello: > > In reference to being, Español, mulato/a, coyote, > etc. I have an ancestor who is in different > documents all of the above....go figure that one > out! This was in Coahuila!! > > Mickey > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - > Release Date: 2/1/05 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release > Date: 2/1/05 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Title: Re: [ranchos] Coyote
Alice,
I discussed genes with another genealogy group (Pureto Rican) earlier today. I am simply copying it and forwarding it to you and the group. It is self-explanatory. Phenotype (what it looks like) and genotype (what the genes are) are two different things.
Respectfully,
Ed Serros
Ron and Ivonne,
As advertised, the mtDNA test is DNA check on your mother’s mother’s mother’s....mother’s ancestry. Recently, even the most “European” (read white) of South American countries, Argentina, has shown that approximately 90% of mtDNA is Indian. The paternal, Y-DNA, is largely European. The inference is clear. The male Europeans came and the Native American Indian females bore. Yes, there are a lot of reasons for this: conquest, infectious disease, food, social issue, etc.
Your mtDNA may be Indian (four major types in all the Americas) and may not necessarily answer the questions you may have. I believe that there are on-going studies in Puerto Rico looking into this mtDNA issue. See http://www.centrelink.org/KearnsDNA.html for a recent study on Puerto Rican DNA. Your father’s (or brother’s) Y-DNA may give you a better idea of where your (paternal) ancestors were from. Obviously, since you are female, you do not have Y-DNA. See http://www.familytreedna.com/ for more details on DNA.
By the way, my mtDNA is Native American Indian and my Y-DNA is European, possibly Basque. In fact, Ron Rodriguez and I share a basic Y-DNA pattern, although not enough to make us related.
Ed
On 2/4/05 4:23 PM, "R Rodriguez" <poetaleon@...> wrote:
> Shalom, Yvonne
Hi Ivonne,
Checking on the information provided by experts, you may do so by
applying for an mtDNA test available. It's designed for the
mother's side of ancestry.
Anyone who has performed this test, please comment on this issue at
will.
Ron
--- In RodriguezPR@yahoogroups.com, "rivkeh1967" <equipoise@o...>
wrote:
>
> I know nothing about the Dna test process and what sort of info it
> gives. I have traced my ancestry back to late 1700s London,
Spanish
> and Portuguese Rodrigues is my family, but know nothing further
back
> than London. Will DNA test help this ancestry is my mother's side,
>
> thankyou!
>
On 2/4/05 8:15 PM, "marge vallazza" <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:
A lot of Spaniards were and are short and dark...depends on THEIR genes, too!:) Marge V.:)
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Coyote
I do believe that is true, but I've noticed that in certain branches of my family where the people are tall and fair, the genealogy does indeed identify the ancestors as mostly Spanish. My maternal grandfather was short, and sure enough he traced back to an Indian. I'm not sure I'd totally disregard the classifications. Have others noticed similar patterns?
Alice
Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote:
Note:
A couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from
SHARR, not to pay much attention to Mexican birth
records whenever race was noted. Such birth record
notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed
at that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the
person.
I doubt if any one us can say what our ethnic make up
is, I know I cannot.
We are just good people!
Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- marge vallazza wrote:
> I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one
> of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is
> listed as a mestiza. In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz
> Montejano Hilton, there's a marriage/consanguinity
> record of my ancestress' parents and their ancestors
> where they are clearly noted as espagnol. Lastly,
> her son's birth record ! lists him as espanol. I
> think whichever priest wrote the record was sleeping
> on the job.:) Marge:)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MMG8938@...
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Coyote
>
>
> Hello:
>
> In reference to being, Español, mulato/a, coyote,
> etc. I have an ancestor who is in different
> documents all of the above....go figure that one
> out! This was in Coahuila!!
>
> Mickey
>
>
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