Comments:
I really don't believe 99% of the Mexican people know
their blood line(s)and/or the names of their
ancestors.

I've asked people from both sides (Mexico/US) if they
knew their blood lines or if they knew the names of
their great grandfathers, and most of them answered
"they didn't know."

As far as what was written on a baptism record,
regarding race type, I wouldn't put much believe in
it.

Alberto. 

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>
wrote:

> In matters of race in the church records from Mexico
> I don't think the people being recorded had any idea
> what was being put in the record for nationality.  I
> have in one family, Mejia from the District of
> Jerez, 5 children with 4 different nationalities
> listed.  Mother is listed as Espanol, father is
> listed as Indio. Their children are listed as 1.
> Espanol, 2. Mulato, 3, Indio, 4 Mestiso and 5.
> Espanol... I have to assume some children were
> darker than others so the scribe made the decision
> what nationality they were making the records
> unreliable as to nationality.  Also it would be to
> the advantage of the family to have a child listed
> as Espanol so I wonder if bribes were ever paid to
> insure the record would read Espanol.. just a
> thought.
> Linda
> 
> Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
> Joseph,
>  
> I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to
> me, was one like the ancestors of the
> African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil.  In facial
> features and body type they look to me like the
> tribes found on the Ivory Coast or Gold Coast of
> Africa, and not like the North Africans (Ethiopians
> and Moroccans) that the Moors in Spain were
> descended from.  I heard of stories of Moors who
> came to the New World with the Conquistadores.  I
> didn't think they were slaves, more like indentured
> servants who could be freed.  I have seen the
> descriptions of people in the microfilmed records as
> Negro, Mulato, Mestizo, Coyote, and Yndio, but not
> in relation to anyone of my ancestors I could
> identify.  They were all (until 1821) identified as
> Espanol.  After 1821, there are no descriptions as
> to race.  In my family it is known that my mother's
> side had Piro Indian blood around her grand-father's
> time.  He was born around 1854, and my father told
> me that he was a Mestizo, even though he was not
> dark or
>  curly-haired like his cousins.
>  
> I couldn't figure out what "coyote" meant.  I guess
> it means "Native"?  I also have seen Yndio Genizaro
> as a description.  Wonder what that means.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:11 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave
>  
> 
> 
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
> 
>   So Joseph, you are not really descended from an
> African slave
> I really couldn't say one way or the other. the
> MtDNA results are my maternal  (mom's mom's mom's
> mom's) side and I have no documented records past my
> grandmother. . .in fact I didn't know her name until
> recently: Antonia Lopez from somewhere in Jalisco. 
> 
> But on my paternal side going out to some GGGG
> grandparents some are identified in baptism records
> as mestizo, coyote, mulatto, and negro. 
> , but maybe from someone with Moorish or Arab blood.
>  The Moors were the powers in Spain only until
> shortly before the ancestors of the current
> Spaniards had kicked them and the Jews and Arabs
> out.  A Spanish friend from the Basque country told
> me she was proud not to be "hija de moro ni de
> indio".  (She can't help it- the Basques are very
> proud).  
>  
> I knew that my father's surname OLAGUE is Basque,
> because he told me so.
>
http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?fid=10&yr=0&ln=Olague
> 
> Olagüe63191
> http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html
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Joseph,

 

I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to me, was one like the ancestors of the African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil.  In facial features and body type they look to me like the tribes found on the Ivory Coast or Gold Coast of Africa, and not like the North Africans (Ethiopians and Moroccans) that the Moors in Spain were descended from.  I heard of stories of Moors who came to the New World with the Conquistadores.  I didn't think they were slaves, more like indentured servants who could be freed.  I have seen the descriptions of people in the microfilmed records as Negro, Mulato, Mestizo, Coyote, and Yndio, but not in relation to anyone of my ancestors I could identify.  They were all (until 1821) identified as Espanol.  After 1821, there are no descriptions as to race.  In my family it is known that my mother's side had Piro Indian blood around her grand-father's time.  He was born around 1854, and my father told me
that he was a Mestizo, even though he was not dark or curly-haired like his cousins.

 

I couldn't figure out what "coyote" meant.  I guess it means "Native"?  I also have seen Yndio Genizaro as a description.  Wonder what that means.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Puentes

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:11 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave

 

Emilie Garcia wrote:

  So Joseph, you are not really descended from an African slave

I really couldn't say one way or the other. the MtDNA results are my maternal  (mom's mom's mom's mom's) side and I have no documented records past my grandmother. . .in fact I didn't know her name until recently: Antonia Lopez from somewhere in Jalisco.

But on my paternal side going out to some GGGG grandparents some are identified in baptism records as mestizo, coyote, mulatto, and negro.

, but maybe from someone with Moorish or Arab blood.  The Moors were the powers in Spain only until shortly before the ancestors of the current Spaniards had kicked them and the Jews and Arabs out.  A Spanish friend from the Basque country told me she was proud not to be "hija de moro ni de indio".  (She can't help it- the Basques are very proud). 

 

I knew that my father's surname OLAGUE is Basque, because he told me so.

http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?fid=10&yr=0&ln=Olague

Olagüe

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