Emile, things were so rough for Mexicans in Hollywood
in the 20's thru the 50's, that Mexicans were not
given jobs on the sets, but they were not even allowed
on the grounds!  So for anyone of us to make in
Hollywood at that time, we had to be great and
cunning. That only shows you who are God's chosen
people; but we still have a long ways to go.

Alberto.

--- Emilie Garcia <anatomists@...> wrote:

> Alberto,
> 
> My husband Tony was the great-grandson of guero
> espanol-mexicanos from Jalisco who did well after
> settling in El Paso after 1895. They owned grocery
> stores, butcher shops, taxi companies, bakeries and
> auto repair shops.  Had his parents not divorced, he
> would still be there attending Catholic schools and
> colleges, like his cousins who have remained there
> to this day and are teachers and engineers, etc. 
> Only his great-great-grandfather, his second wife,
> and one son moved to Los Angeles in 1930.  Tony
> tells me that his life in El Paso was great.  He
> lived like a little prince, and all that came to an
> end when his mother became a single mom with three
> kids in Northern California.
> 
> Yes, lots of families moved to California in the
> twenties, thirties and forties and after after the
> war.(WWII)  My father who had immigrated from Jerez,
> Zac. moved us from our farm in Colorado to Northern
> California (San Jose) in 1947 where he could work as
> a welder for Westinghouse and make good money.   
> 
> I think Tony told me that his father, Enrique
> Garcia, had known Anthony Quinn and Gilbert Roland
> (that wasn't his real name) back in the 1920's in El
> Paso and Juarez right before those guys came to
> California.  Those two actors started out in silent
> films and met with lots of prejudice at times, but
> they persevered.  I told Tony that he and his
> brother could have been movie stars too, since they
> were tall and better looking than any of those
> others who have made it in the entertainment world,
> ha, ha.  Yes, one just needs the right environment
> and the luck and help from the right sources in
> order to succeed.   
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alberto Duarte
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:43 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Pinole
> 
> 
> We lived in a one room apartment near Washington
> Park,
> across the street from St. Xavier Catholic church.  
> The apartment was a dump (dirt floors) with the
> bathroom aside shared with other tenants. We were a
> very poor family, there were six of us counting my
> grandmother.
> 
> El Paso at that time offered zero opportunities for
> Mexican-Americans, so my dad moved all of us the Los
> Angeles. There were many families from El Paso that
> moved to Los Angeles back in the early '40s,
> including
> one by the name of Antony Quinn who later won a
> couple
> of Oscars-you see, we can make it if only given the
> opportunity.
> 
> Alberto.
> --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Where did you live in El Paso at that time?  I
> lived
> > across from Sacred  
> > Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of
> my
> > life.  As a kid, I  
> > hated going across the border because it was so
> > unfamiliar to be and  
> > because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the
> > beggars, and the  
> > language.  I was always afraid, although no one
> > would have harmed me  
> > but that's how I was then.  Now, I can appreciate
> > everything about it,  
> > including the interesting architecture.  Marge:)
> >  
> > On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> >  
> > > Good and sad times:
> > >  We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in
> the
> > >  early '50s.Ã?  My mom would buy dry goods which
> > were
> > >  really expensive for us to buy in the United
> > States
> > >  (Los Angeles).Ã?  Would you believe that we
> also
> > >  purchased young parrots and smuggled them
> across
> > to El
> > >  Paso!Ã?  Later on this turned out to be a sad
> > >  remembrance for me, when I found out that
> > thousands,
> > >  maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds
> were
> > >  wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just
> > because
> > >  of greed and ignorance.
> > >
> > >  Alberto.
> > >
> > >  --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >  > When I was a kid, we would cross the border
> > into
> > >  > Juarez with my aunts
> > >  > and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and
> > one of
> > >  > the merchants had
> > >  > a display of pinole.Ã?  It was sold in paper
> > >  > cones--sometimes piÃ?Æ?Ã?±ata-type
> > >  > paper and sometimes newspaper.Ã?  I liked
> > it...didn't
> > >  > get it too often,
> > >  > though.Ã?  Marge:)
> > >  > On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma
> GomezLucero
> > >  > wrote:
> > >  >
> > >  > > Ã?â??Ã?  Pinole is great with a little
> milk--sort
> > of a
> > >  > mush.Ã?â??Ã?  Love it for
> > >  > >Ã?  breakfast.Ã?â??Ã?  Has anyone heard the
> > following
> > >  > expression:
> > >  > >
> > >  > >Ã?  Ã?â??Ã? Ã?â??Ã? Ã?â??Ã? Ã?â??Ã? Ã?â??Ã? 
> El que tiene mas
> > saliva, come mas
> > >  > pinole.
> > >  > >
> > >  > >Ã?  Sorry didn't use accents even after the
> > flood of
> > >  > emails on the
> > >  > > subject.Ã?â??Ã?  My
> > >  > >Ã?  engineer and architect cousins from
> Mexico
> > D.F.
> > >  > don't either in their
> > >  > >Ã?  letters to me. When asked about this,
> they
> > >  > responded that they knew
> > >  > > how to
> > >  > >Ã?  pronounce the words without the accents,
> > etc.,
> > >  > >
> > >  > >Ã?  -----Original Message-----
> > >  > >Ã?  From: lrapido
> [mailto:1gnzlz@...]
> > >  > >Ã?  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
> > >  > >Ã?  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > >Ã?  Subject: [ranchos] Pinole
> > >  > >
> > >  > >Ã?  Talking about food...
> > >  > >Ã?  I wonder how many of our members have
> heard
> > of
> > >  > "Pinole" ? Pinole is a
> > >  > > high
> > >  > >Ã?  energy food made from dry roasted corn
> > ground-up
> > >  > and mixed with brown
> > >  > > sugar
> > >  > >Ã?  (Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and
> > >  > sometimes either lemon or
> > >  > > orange
> > >  > >Ã?  peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara
> indians
> > of
> > >  > Chihuahua use it as a
> > >  > > staple
> > >  > >Ã?  food. Tarahumaras are basically
> > vegetarians, with
> > >  > meat accounting for
> > >  > > about
> > >  > >Ã?  less than 10% of their diet. They eat
> > Pinole it
> > >  > or drink it ( can be
> > >  > > mixed
> > >  > >Ã?  with water or ? ) before they run the
> ultra
> > >  > marathons.Ã?â??Ã?  Pinole is a
> > >  > > very
> > >  > >Ã?  convinient high energy food because in
> its
> > powder
> > >  > form can keep for
> > >  > > months.
> > >  > >Ã?  It is carried in a pouch during long
> trips
> 
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We lived in a one room apartment near Washington Park,
across the street from St. Xavier Catholic church. 
The apartment was a dump (dirt floors) with the
bathroom aside shared with other tenants. We were a
very poor family, there were six of us counting my
grandmother.

El Paso at that time offered zero opportunities for
Mexican-Americans, so my dad moved all of us the Los
Angeles. There were many families from El Paso that
moved to Los Angeles back in the early '40s, including
one by the name of Antony Quinn who later won a couple
of Oscars-you see, we can make it if only given the
opportunity.

Alberto.
--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> Where did you live in El Paso at that time?  I lived
> across from Sacred 
> Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my
> life.  As a kid, I 
> hated going across the border because it was so
> unfamiliar to be and 
> because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the
> beggars, and the 
> language.  I was always afraid, although no one
> would have harmed me 
> but that's how I was then.  Now, I can appreciate
> everything about it, 
> including the interesting architecture.  Marge:)
> 
> On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > Good and sad times:
> >  We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the
> >  early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which
> were
> >  really expensive for us to buy in the United
> States
> >  (Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also
> >  purchased young parrots and smuggled them across
> to El
> >  Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad
> >  remembrance for me, when I found out that
> thousands,
> >  maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were
> >  wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just
> because
> >  of greed and ignorance.
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >
> >  --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >  > When I was a kid, we would cross the border
> into
> >  > Juarez with my aunts
> >  > and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and
> one of
> >  > the merchants had
> >  > a display of pinole.  It was sold in paper
> >  > cones--sometimes pi�±ata-type
> >  > paper and sometimes newspaper.  I liked
> it...didn't
> >  > get it too often,
> >  > though.  Marge:)
> >  > On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero
> >  > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > �  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort
> of a
> >  > mush.�  Love it for
> >  > >  breakfast.�  Has anyone heard the
> following
> >  > expression:
> >  > >
> >  > >  � � � � �  El que tiene mas
> saliva, come mas
> >  > pinole.
> >  > >
> >  > >  Sorry didn't use accents even after the
> flood of
> >  > emails on the
> >  > > subject.�  My
> >  > >  engineer and architect cousins from Mexico
> D.F.
> >  > don't either in their
> >  > >  letters to me. When asked about this, they
> >  > responded that they knew
> >  > > how to
> >  > >  pronounce the words without the accents,
> etc.,
> >  > >
> >  > >  -----Original Message-----
> >  > >  From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]
> >  > >  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
> >  > >  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >  > >  Subject: [ranchos] Pinole
> >  > >
> >  > >  Talking about food...
> >  > >  I wonder how many of our members have heard
> of
> >  > "Pinole" ? Pinole is a
> >  > > high
> >  > >  energy food made from dry roasted corn
> ground-up
> >  > and mixed with brown
> >  > > sugar
> >  > >  (Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and
> >  > sometimes either lemon or
> >  > > orange
> >  > >  peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians
> of
> >  > Chihuahua use it as a
> >  > > staple
> >  > >  food. Tarahumaras are basically
> vegetarians, with
> >  > meat accounting for
> >  > > about
> >  > >  less than 10% of their diet. They eat
> Pinole it
> >  > or drink it ( can be
> >  > > mixed
> >  > >  with water or ? ) before they run the ultra
> >  > marathons.�  Pinole is a
> >  > > very
> >  > >  convinient high energy food because in its
> powder
> >  > form can keep for
> >  > > months.
> >  > >  It is carried in a pouch during long trips
> and is
> >  > used to sometimes
> >  > > replace
> >  > >  whole meals. The Tarahumaras are
> universally
> >  > known as runners.
> >  > > Tarahumaras
> >  > >  have run the 100 mile marathon from Nevada
> to
> >  > California.�  They think
> >  > >  nothing of running 50 miles or more to go
> visit
> >  > friends or relatives
> >  > > in a
> >  > >  distant village.�  When was the last time
> you did
> >  > that!
> >  > >  They hunt by running animals until the
> animal
> >  > gets tired and gives
> >  > > up. That
> >  > >  includes deer, rabbits and whatever animal
> they
> >  > choose to chase.
> >  > >  Pinole is very sweet and very tasty. Try
> it, next
> >  > time you go to
> >  > > Mexico, or
> >  > >  better yet, make your own! In Mexico it is
> sold
> >  > at just about any
> >  > > grocery
> >  > >  store, kids love it, just make sure you
> plan a
> >  > high energy activity
> >  > > for
> >  > >  them. If you are runner or into high energy
> >  > sports, you should give
> >  > > it a
> >  > >  try.
> >  > >
> >  > >  John Gonzalez
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >  Yahoo! Groups Links
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
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> >  > >
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Where did you live in El Paso at that time? I lived across from Sacred Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my life. As a kid, I hated going across the border because it was so unfamiliar to be and because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the beggars, and the language. I was always afraid, although no one would have harmed me but that's how I was then. Now, I can appreciate everything about it, including the interesting architecture. Marge:)





On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Good and sad times:

We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the

early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were

really expensive for us to buy in the United States

(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also

purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El

Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad

remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,

maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were

wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just because

of greed and ignorance.



Alberto.



--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:



> When I was a kid, we would cross the border into

> Juarez with my aunts

> and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of

> the merchants had

> a display of pinole.  It was sold in paper

> cones--sometimes piñata-type

> paper and sometimes newspaper.  I liked it...didn't

> get it too often,

> though.  Marge:)

> On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero

> wrote:

>

> >   Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a

> mush.  Love it for

> >  breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following

> expression:

> >

> >        El que tiene mas saliva, come mas

> pinole.

> >

> >  Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of

> emails on the

> > subject.  My

> >  engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F.

> don't either in their

> >  letters to me. When asked about this, they

> responded that they knew

> > how to

> >  pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,

> >

> >  -----Original Message-----

> >  From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]

> >  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM

> >  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

> >  Subject: [ranchos] Pinole

> >

> >  Talking about food...

> >  I wonder how many of our members have heard of

> "Pinole" ? Pinole is a

> > high

> >  energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up

> and mixed with brown

> > sugar

> >  (Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and

> sometimes either lemon or

> > orange

> >  peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of

> Chihuahua use it as a

> > staple

> >  food. Tarahumaras are basically vegetarians, with

> meat accounting for

> > about

> >  less than 10% of their diet. They eat Pinole it

> or drink it ( can be

> > mixed

> >  with water or ? ) before they run the ultra

> marathons.  Pinole is a

> > very

> >  convinient high energy food because in its powder

> form can keep for

> > months.

> >  It is carried in a pouch during long trips and is

> used to sometimes

> > replace

> >  whole meals. The Tarahumaras are universally

> known as runners.

> > Tarahumaras

> >  have run the 100 mile marathon from Nevada to

> California.  They think

> >  nothing of running 50 miles or more to go visit

> friends or relatives

> > in a

> >  distant village.  When was the last time you did

> that!

> >  They hunt by running animals until the animal

> gets tired and gives

> > up. That

> >  includes deer, rabbits and whatever animal they

> choose to chase.

> >  Pinole is very sweet and very tasty. Try it, next

> time you go to

> > Mexico, or

> >  better yet, make your own! In Mexico it is sold

> at just about any

> > grocery

> >  store, kids love it, just make sure you plan a

> high energy activity

> > for

> >  them. If you are runner or into high energy

> sports, you should give

> > it a

> >  try.

> >

> >  John Gonzalez

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Good and sad times:
We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the
early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were
really expensive for us to buy in the United States
(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also
purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El
Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad
remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,
maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were
wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just because
of greed and ignorance.

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> When I was a kid, we would cross the border into
> Juarez with my aunts 
> and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of
> the merchants had 
> a display of pinole.  It was sold in paper
> cones--sometimes piñata-type 
> paper and sometimes newspaper.  I liked it...didn't
> get it too often, 
> though.  Marge:)
> On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero
> wrote:
> 
> >   Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a
> mush.  Love it for
> >  breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following
> expression:
> >
> >        El que tiene mas saliva, come mas
> pinole.
> >
> >  Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of
> emails on the 
> > subject.  My
> >  engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F.
> don't either in their
> >  letters to me. When asked about this, they
> responded that they knew 
> > how to
> >  pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]
> >  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
> >  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >  Subject: [ranchos] Pinole
> >
> >  Talking about food...
> >  I wonder how many of our members have heard of
> "Pinole" ? Pinole is a 
> > high
> >  energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up
> and mixed with brown 
> > sugar
> >  (Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and
> sometimes either lemon or 
> > orange
> >  peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of
> Chihuahua use it as a 
> > staple
> >  food. Tarahumaras are basically vegetarians, with
> meat accounting for 
> > about
> >  less than 10% of their diet. They eat Pinole it
> or drink it ( can be 
> > mixed
> >  with water or ? ) before they run the ultra
> marathons.  Pinole is a 
> > very
> >  convinient high energy food because in its powder
> form can keep for 
> > months.
> >  It is carried in a pouch during long trips and is
> used to sometimes 
> > replace
> >  whole meals. The Tarahumaras are universally
> known as runners. 
> > Tarahumaras
> >  have run the 100 mile marathon from Nevada to
> California.  They think
> >  nothing of running 50 miles or more to go visit
> friends or relatives 
> > in a
> >  distant village.  When was the last time you did
> that!
> >  They hunt by running animals until the animal
> gets tired and gives 
> > up. That
> >  includes deer, rabbits and whatever animal they
> choose to chase.
> >  Pinole is very sweet and very tasty. Try it, next
> time you go to 
> > Mexico, or
> >  better yet, make your own! In Mexico it is sold
> at just about any 
> > grocery
> >  store, kids love it, just make sure you plan a
> high energy activity 
> > for
> >  them. If you are runner or into high energy
> sports, you should give 
> > it a
> >  try.
> >
> >  John Gonzalez
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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When I was a kid, we would cross the border into Juarez with my aunts and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of the merchants had a display of pinole. It was sold in paper cones--sometimes piñata-type paper and sometimes newspaper. I liked it...didn't get it too often, though. Marge:)

On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero wrote:

  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a mush.  Love it for

breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following expression:



      El que tiene mas saliva, come mas pinole.



Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of emails on the subject.  My

engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F. don't either in their

letters to me. When asked about this, they responded that they knew how to

pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,



-----Original Message-----

From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]

Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Pinole



Talking about food...

I wonder how many of our members have heard of "Pinole" ? Pinole is a high

energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up and mixed with brown sugar

(Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and sometimes either lemon or orange

peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of Chihuahua use it as a staple

food. Tarahumaras are basically vegetarians, with meat accounting for about

less than 10% of their diet. They eat Pinole it or drink it ( can be mixed

with water or ? ) before they run the ultra marathons.  Pinole is a very

convinient high energy food because in its powder form can keep for months.

It is carried in a pouch during long trips and is used to sometimes replace

whole meals. The Tarahumaras are universally known as runners. Tarahumaras

have run the 100 mile marathon from Nevada to California.  They think

nothing of running 50 miles or more to go visit friends or relatives in a

distant village.  When was the last time you did that!

They hunt by running animals until the animal gets tired and gives up. That

includes deer, rabbits and whatever animal they choose to chase.

Pinole is very sweet and very tasty. Try it, next time you go to Mexico, or

better yet, make your own! In Mexico it is sold at just about any grocery

store, kids love it, just make sure you plan a high energy activity for

them. If you are runner or into high energy sports, you should give it a

try.



John Gonzalez















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