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Hi Irma,
I had never heard of Dia de los Muertos either! My paternal family (Zacatecas) and my maternal family (Jalisco) didn't observe it at all, I saw it on television and asked my 84 year old father and he said they didn't do that in Jerez.. I'm assuming the custom came more from the Indeginous side of our heritage? Burial customs vary so much from culture to culture.
My mother died many years ago but purchased a burial site in Stockton Ca. that has one plot on top of another. My father calls it a 'condo' and doesn't like the idea of being buried on top of her! I do find it very interesting that the Mexican culture which holds it's elders in such high esteem does not like to "visit" them once they die? Maybe the fact that they have to bury their loved ones themselves, even preparing them for burial, digging the hole and dropping them into it makes the difference. Here stateside we sanitize it and only have to show up for the services. Strangers do the rest for us, keeps it clean, neat and detached.. Curious how customs are established.
Linda
Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:
Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:
I envy you Linda. I tried to get my dad and family in Mexico to take me to the cemetery where my grandmother was buried. My dad interrupted and refused to take me there. His response was, "Why do you want to go to a place where everyone is dead when you have all of these live relatives?" Okay how do you respond when your "live" relatives are staring at you. Enjoying history, I have always "enjoyed" going to cemeteries because there is so much history there. No, I don't like funerals though. Next time I will go on my own even if I have to walk there.
Along the same vein... a few years ago, I was asked to do a cultural presentation of sorts to my daughter's class around Halloween. I decided to build "un altar" for El Dia de los Muertos. When I asked my parents about this custom, they said, " We don't do that. Once we bury our dead, we go to church have Masses said for them, pray for them, but we don't hang out at cemeteries." I actually had to do research on the custom which more a combination of Indigenous beliefs coupled with Catholocism. I felt this was a wonderful way to honor your family which has passed away. I built an "altar" to my grandparents. I had my daughter explain what every item meant to my grandparents. Her classmates were surprised to find out that she had never met my abuelitos. My goal was to remind these children to talk to their
grandparents, ask them questions about themselves, etc., before it was too late. It was an awsome experience for all.
Tonight I will see my folks, and plan to ask them more about cemeteries in Mexico. I didn't know they buried individuals on top of others. Yep, I have more homework to do before I visit the cemeteries in Mexico.
Irma
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long [mailto:longsjourney@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:13 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas
The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is different than here stateside. I wanted to visit all the cemeteries I'd found in the research records. Our host could not understand my desire to go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past! He did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los Haros, I found all the names I have been researching clear back to the 1750's. One could almost feel the ancestors... I also went to the cemetery in El Durazno. They absolutely refused to take me to Panteon de los Dolores in Jerez, they said enough was enough...
I did notice in Jerez that coffins are sold in shops that display them in the window, that was kinda shocking to me. They said when someone dies they have to be buried within 24 hours since they don't embalm. In El Durazno they have the "viewing" in the home then go to the church for the service and then carry the coffin on their shoulders,complete with Mariachi's if they can afford them, and walk the 1/2 mile to the cemetery in a procession. I found lots of huge marble monuments but all cemeteries were badly neglected because they don't like to go their unless it's to bury someone.. they do not go to visit and pay respects. Everyone in El Durazno paid for the land for a cemetery 20 years ago and when a family member dies they are "prepaid" for burial.
The burial practices were different in the old days too. They would put up to 5 people in each grave, removing the bones to the foot of the grave and then putting the new 'box' as it was described to me... I was standing over a neglected Alcala grave and noticed something round so I bent over to pick it up, turned out to be a leg bone much to my surprise.. After getting over the shock I moved some dirt, reburied the bone and said a prayer for the ancestors and me!
I would highly recommend visiting an ancestral homesite if it's ever possible, it's very humbling and highly emotional to walk the ground your ancestors lived on.
Linda
zendean <usa20@...> wrote:
Margarita;
My great grandfather and ggmother were from Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder,
is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife Leonarda Ramirez are and
have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me that they visited them in
Zacatecas when they were little and that the Macias's lived on a farm there.
I wonder if you know some one that is there now that I can correspond
with to ask about them.
Jose Macias
usa20@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margarita Vallazza" <TeaCozyGran@...>
To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy
> My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
> sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of mem! ories
of her but here's one
> or two:
>
> I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
> remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
> healthy drink. She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
> to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd be served a dish of
> it and enjoy it. I liked it better than my mother's porridge (which I
> realize now was a true Scots dish). At special times, don't know what
> they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I didn't like too
> well. Remember, I was just a kid!:)
>
> I'll have to think about some more food...some of it was just the food
> from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he was from Chihuahua
> city.
>
> I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my grandmother, maybe I
> would have learned things about her family in Zacatecas.&n!
bsp; I believe
> even she didn't know a lot about her family history and I say that
> because my Tias, dad's sisters, don't know much about their mother's
> life in Zacatecas. I'm the one who told my Tia Carmen that my abuelita
> had a full sister named Paula, a full brother named Jose (who died in
> 1919) and 2 half-sisters and a half-brother...they never knew! People
> in the old country NEVER discussed anything private. Marge:)
>
>
>
>
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color=#0000ff size=2>I envy you Linda. I tried to get my dad and family in
Mexico to take me to the cemetery where my grandmother was buried. My
dad interrupted and refused to take me there. His response was, "Why
do you want to go to a place where everyone is dead when you have all of these
live relatives?" Okay how do you respond when your "live" relatives are
staring at you. Enjoying history, I have always "enjoyed" going to
cemeteries because there is so much history there. No, I don't like
funerals though. Next time I will go on my own even if I have to walk
there.
Mexico to take me to the cemetery where my grandmother was buried. My
dad interrupted and refused to take me there. His response was, "Why
do you want to go to a place where everyone is dead when you have all of these
live relatives?" Okay how do you respond when your "live" relatives are
staring at you. Enjoying history, I have always "enjoyed" going to
cemeteries because there is so much history there. No, I don't like
funerals though. Next time I will go on my own even if I have to walk
there.
color=#0000ff size=2>Along the same vein... a few years ago, I was asked
to do a cultural presentation of sorts to my daughter's class around
Halloween. I decided to build "un altar" for El Dia de los Muertos.
When I asked my parents about this custom, they said, " We don't do that.
Once we bury our dead, we go to church have Masses said for them, pray for
them, but we don't hang out at cemeteries." I actually had to do research
on the custom which more a combination of Indigenous beliefs coupled with
Catholocism. I felt this was a wonderful way to honor your family which
has passed away. I built an "altar" to my grandparents. I had
my daughter explain what every item meant to my
grandparents. Her classmates were surprised to find out that she had
never met my abuelitos. My goal was to remind these children to talk
to their grandparents, ask them questions about themselves, etc., before it was
too late. It was an awsome experience for all.
to do a cultural presentation of sorts to my daughter's class around
Halloween. I decided to build "un altar" for El Dia de los Muertos.
When I asked my parents about this custom, they said, " We don't do that.
Once we bury our dead, we go to church have Masses said for them, pray for
them, but we don't hang out at cemeteries." I actually had to do research
on the custom which more a combination of Indigenous beliefs coupled with
Catholocism. I felt this was a wonderful way to honor your family which
has passed away. I built an "altar" to my grandparents. I had
my daughter explain what every item meant to my
grandparents. Her classmates were surprised to find out that she had
never met my abuelitos. My goal was to remind these children to talk
to their grandparents, ask them questions about themselves, etc., before it was
too late. It was an awsome experience for all.
color=#0000ff size=2>Tonight I will see my folks, and plan to ask them more
about cemeteries in Mexico. I didn't know they buried individuals on
top of others. Yep, I have more homework to do before I visit the
cemeteries in Mexico.
about cemeteries in Mexico. I didn't know they buried individuals on
top of others. Yep, I have more homework to do before I visit the
cemeteries in Mexico.
color=#0000ff size=2>Irma
color=#0000ff size=2>
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
[mailto:longsjourney@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:13
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas
The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is different than here
stateside. I wanted to visit all the cemeteries I'd found in the research
records. Our host could not understand my desire to go to cemeteries, he
said the past was the past! He did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los
Haros, I found all the names I have been researching clear back to the
1750's. One could almost feel the ancestors... I also went to the cemetery
in El Durazno. They absolutely refused to take me to Panteon de los
Dolores in Jerez, they said enough was enough...
stateside. I wanted to visit all the cemeteries I'd found in the research
records. Our host could not understand my desire to go to cemeteries, he
said the past was the past! He did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los
Haros, I found all the names I have been researching clear back to the
1750's. One could almost feel the ancestors... I also went to the cemetery
in El Durazno. They absolutely refused to take me to Panteon de los
Dolores in Jerez, they said enough was enough...
I did notice in Jerez that coffins are sold in shops that display
them in the window, that was kinda shocking to me. They said when someone dies
they have to be buried within 24 hours since they don't embalm. In El
Durazno they have the "viewing" in the home then go to the church for the
service and then carry the coffin on their shoulders,complete with Mariachi's if
they can afford them, and walk the 1/2 mile to the cemetery in a
procession. I found lots of huge marble monuments but all cemeteries were
badly neglected because they don't like to go their unless it's to bury
someone.. they do not go to visit and pay respects. Everyone in El Durazno paid
for the land for a cemetery 20 years ago and when a family member
dies they are "prepaid" for burial.
them in the window, that was kinda shocking to me. They said when someone dies
they have to be buried within 24 hours since they don't embalm. In El
Durazno they have the "viewing" in the home then go to the church for the
service and then carry the coffin on their shoulders,complete with Mariachi's if
they can afford them, and walk the 1/2 mile to the cemetery in a
procession. I found lots of huge marble monuments but all cemeteries were
badly neglected because they don't like to go their unless it's to bury
someone.. they do not go to visit and pay respects. Everyone in El Durazno paid
for the land for a cemetery 20 years ago and when a family member
dies they are "prepaid" for burial.
The burial practices were different in the old days too. They would
put up to 5 people in each grave, removing the bones to the foot of the grave
and then putting the new 'box' as it was described to me... I was standing over
a neglected Alcala grave and noticed something round so I bent over to pick it
up, turned out to be a leg bone much to my surprise.. After getting over the
shock I moved some dirt, reburied the bone and said a prayer for the ancestors
and me!
put up to 5 people in each grave, removing the bones to the foot of the grave
and then putting the new 'box' as it was described to me... I was standing over
a neglected Alcala grave and noticed something round so I bent over to pick it
up, turned out to be a leg bone much to my surprise.. After getting over the
shock I moved some dirt, reburied the bone and said a prayer for the ancestors
and me!
I would highly recommend visiting an ancestral homesite if it's ever
possible, it's very humbling and highly emotional to walk the ground your
ancestors lived on.
possible, it's very humbling and highly emotional to walk the ground your
ancestors lived on.
Linda
zendean <usa20@...> wrote:
zendean <usa20@...> wrote:
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Margarita;
My great grandfather and ggmother were from Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder,
is
it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife Leonarda Ramirez are and
have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me that they visited them
in
Zacatecas when they were little and that the Macias's lived on a farm
there.
I wonder if you know some one that is there now
that I can correspond
with to ask about them.
Jose
Macias
usa20@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margarita Vallazza" <TeaCozyGran@...>
To:
<ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51
AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy
> My
dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
>
sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of mem! ories of her but here's
one
> or two:
>
> I remember her fixing something called
atole, which I didn't like, but
> remembering it from a fog of some
years' distance, I would say it's a
> healthy drink. She also had
prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
> to visit her in the morning
and she had some, I'd be served a dish of
> it and enjoy it. I
liked it better than my mother's porridge (which I
> realize now was a
true Scots dish). At special times, don't know what
> they were,
Abuelita would have capirotada, which I didn't like too
> well.
Remember, I was just a kid!:)
>
> I'll have to think about some
more food...some of it was just the food
> from northern Mexico that my
grandfather liked--he was from Chihuahua
> city.
>
> I wish
I had had the blessing of more time with my grandmother, maybe I
> would
have learned things about her family in Zacatecas.&n! bsp; I
believe
> even she didn't know a lot about her family history and I say
that
> because my Tias, dad's sisters, don't know much about their
mother's
> life in Zacatecas. I'm the one who told my Tia Carmen
that my abuelita
> had a full sister named Paula, a full brother named
Jose (who died in
> 1919) and 2 half-sisters and a
half-brother...they never knew! People
> in the old country NEVER
discussed anything private.
Marge:)
>
>
>
>
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They still bury people in that cemetery. I saw the grave diggers taking dirt out of an existing burial so that it could accommodate a coffin atop of the existing one! Some families are so poor that they bury relatives atop of existing coffins/sites. Yes, when I was inside that old cemetery I felt that I was among my past relatives. Alberto. --- Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...> wrote: > The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is > different than here stateside. I wanted to visit > all the cemeteries I'd found in the research > records. Our host could not understand my desire to > go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past! He > did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los Haros, I > found all the names I have been researching clear > back to the 1750's. One could almost feel the > ancestors... I also went to the cemetery in El > Durazno. They absolutely refused to take me to > Panteon de los Dolores in Jerez, they said enough > was enough... > > I did notice in Jerez that coffins are sold in > shops that display them in the window, that was > kinda shocking to me. They said when someone dies > they have to be buried within 24 hours since they > don't embalm. In El Durazno they have the "viewing" > in the home then go to the church for the service > and then carry the coffin on their > shoulders,complete with Mariachi's if they can > afford them, and walk the 1/2 mile to the cemetery > in a procession. I found lots of huge marble > monuments but all cemeteries were badly neglected > because they don't like to go their unless it's to > bury someone.. they do not go to visit and pay > respects. Everyone in El Durazno paid for the land > for a cemetery 20 years ago and when a family member > dies they are "prepaid" for burial. > > The burial practices were different in the old days > too. They would put up to 5 people in each grave, > removing the bones to the foot of the grave and then > putting the new 'box' as it was described to me... I > was standing over a neglected Alcala grave and > noticed something round so I bent over to pick it > up, turned out to be a leg bone much to my > surprise.. After getting over the shock I moved some > dirt, reburied the bone and said a prayer for the > ancestors and me! > I would highly recommend visiting an ancestral > homesite if it's ever possible, it's very humbling > and highly emotional to walk the ground your > ancestors lived on. > Linda > > zendean <usa20@...> wrote: > Margarita; > My great grandfather and ggmother were from > Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder, > is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife > Leonarda Ramirez are and > have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me > that they visited them in > Zacatecas when they were little and that the > Macias's lived on a farm there. > I wonder if you know some one that is there now > that I can correspond > with to ask about them. > > Jose Macias > usa20@... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margarita Vallazza" <TeaCozyGran@...> > To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM > Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy > > > > My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she > died just before my > > sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories > of her but here's one > > or two: > > > > I remember her fixing something called atole, > which I didn't like, but > > remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, > I would say it's a > > healthy drink. She also had prunes in her > oatmeal, so when I'd pop in > > to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd > be served a dish of > > it and enjoy it. I liked it better than my > mother's porridge (which I > > realize now was a true Scots dish). At special > times, don't know what > > they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I > didn't like too > > well. Remember, I was just a kid!:) > > > > I'll have to think about some more food...some of > it was just the food > > from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he > was from Chihuahua > > city. > > > > I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my > grandmother, maybe I > > would have learned things about her family in > Zacatecas. I believe > > even she didn't know a lot about her family > history and I say that > > because my Tias, dad's sisters, don't know much > about their mother's > > life in Zacatecas. I'm the one who told my Tia > Carmen that my abuelita > > had a full sister named Paula, a full brother > named Jose (who died in > > 1919) and 2 half-sisters and a > half-brother...they never knew! 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The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is different than here stateside. I wanted to visit all the cemeteries I'd found in the research records. Our host could not understand my desire to go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past! He did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los Haros, I found all the names I have been researching clear back to the 1750's. One could almost feel the ancestors... I also went to the cemetery in El Durazno. They absolutely refused to take me to Panteon de los Dolores in Jerez, they said enough was enough...
I did notice in Jerez that coffins are sold in shops that display them in the window, that was kinda shocking to me. They said when someone dies they have to be buried within 24 hours since they don't embalm. In El Durazno they have the "viewing" in the home then go to the church for the service and then carry the coffin on their shoulders,complete with Mariachi's if they can afford them, and walk the 1/2 mile to the cemetery in a procession. I found lots of huge marble monuments but all cemeteries were badly neglected because they don't like to go their unless it's to bury someone.. they do not go to visit and pay respects. Everyone in El Durazno paid for the land for a cemetery 20 years ago and when a family member dies they are "prepaid" for burial.
The burial practices were different in the old days too. They would put up to 5 people in each grave, removing the bones to the foot of the grave and then putting the new 'box' as it was described to me... I was standing over a neglected Alcala grave and noticed something round so I bent over to pick it up, turned out to be a leg bone much to my surprise.. After getting over the shock I moved some dirt, reburied the bone and said a prayer for the ancestors and me!
I would highly recommend visiting an ancestral homesite if it's ever possible, it's very humbling and highly emotional to walk the ground your ancestors lived on.
Linda
zendean <usa20@...> wrote:
zendean <usa20@...> wrote:
Margarita;
My great grandfather and ggmother were from Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder,
is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife Leonarda Ramirez are and
have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me that they visited them in
Zacatecas when they were little and that the Macias's lived on a farm there.
I wonder if you know some one that is there now that I can correspond
with to ask about them.
Jose Macias
usa20@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margarita Vallazza" <TeaCozyGran@...>
To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy
> My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
> sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of
her but here's one
> or two:
>
> I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
> remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
> healthy drink. She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
> to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd be served a dish of
> it and enjoy it. I liked it better than my mother's porridge (which I
> realize now was a true Scots dish). At special times, don't know what
> they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I didn't like too
> well. Remember, I was just a kid!:)
>
> I'll have to think about some more food...some of it was just the food
> from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he was from Chihuahua
> city.
>
> I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my grandmother, maybe I
> would have learned things about her family in Zacatecas. I
believe
> even she didn't know a lot about her family history and I say that
> because my Tias, dad's sisters, don't know much about their mother's
> life in Zacatecas. I'm the one who told my Tia Carmen that my abuelita
> had a full sister named Paula, a full brother named Jose (who died in
> 1919) and 2 half-sisters and a half-brother...they never knew! People
> in the old country NEVER discussed anything private. Marge:)
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I visited the same cemetery when I visited Jerez a number of years ago. I took photographs of the headstones (those that I thought that were related to me). The church and cemetery were probably very beautiful in their time, but yes, the site has been neglected. Alberto. --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote: > Dear Jose, > It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one! I > did get to go to a > cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was > more to the name, but > I cannot recall it.) It was very interesting. Some > of graves are > covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved > marblery. A few are > very distant relatives or family connections of my > grandmother's. What > was also sad about this site was that here these > folks had spent a LOT > of money to perpetuate their existence and the > cemetery was so > neglected and overgrown with weeds. One grave had a > broken slab and > bees had made their hive inside. My husband, our > guide, and myself > were the only ones there and it was a sobering > experience. > > Sorry, I don't know anyone's address or anything. > Leonardo de la Torre > Berumen and Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada are two > gentlemen whom I met on > my trip. Bernardo and Leonardo collaborate a lot on > historical > research. You might be able to get Leonardo's email > address from Mimi > Lozano's Somos Primos newsletter. Marge:) > On Jun 30, 2005, at 1:50 AM, zendean wrote: > > > Margarita; > >    My great grandfather and ggmother were > from Jerez, Zacatecas. I > > wonder, > > is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife > Leonarda Ramirez are > > and > > have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me > that they visited > > them in > > Zacatecas when they were little and that the > Macias's lived on a farm > > there. > >    I wonder if you know some one that is > there now that I can > > correspond > > with to ask about them. > > > > Jose Macias > > usa20@... > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Margarita Vallazza" > <TeaCozyGran@...> > > To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy > > > > > > > My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and > she died just before > > my > > > sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of > memories of her but here's > > one > > > or two: > > > > > > I remember her fixing something called atole, > which I didn't like, > > but > > > remembering it from a fog of some years' > distance, I would say it's > > a > > > healthy drink. She also had prunes in her > oatmeal, so when I'd pop > > in > > > to visit her in the morning and she had some, > I'd be served a dish > > of > > > it and enjoy it. I liked it better than my > mother's porridge > > (which I > > > realize now was a true Scots dish). At > special times, don't know > > what > > > they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, > which I didn't like too > > > well. Remember, I was just a kid!:) > > > > > > I'll have to think about some more food...some > of it was just the > > food > > > from northern Mexico that my grandfather > liked--he was from > > Chihuahua > > > city. > > > > > > I wish I had had the blessing of more time with > my grandmother, > > maybe I > > > would have learned things about her family in > Zacatecas. I believe > > > even she didn't know a lot about her family > history and I say that > > > because my Tias, dad's sisters, don't know much > about their mother's > > > life in Zacatecas. I'm the one who told my > Tia Carmen that my > > abuelita > > > had a full sister named Paula, a full brother > named Jose (who died > > in > > > 1919) and 2 half-sisters and a > half-brother...they never knew! > > People > > > in the old country NEVER discussed anything > private. Marge:) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Aguascalientes mexico > > Aguascalientes > > Zacatecas > > State code > > Jalisco > > Criminal offenses > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > �  Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > >  > > �  To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > >  ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >  > > �  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Dear Jose,
It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one! I did get to go to a cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was more to the name, but I cannot recall it.) It was very interesting. Some of graves are covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved marblery. A few are very distant relatives or family connections of my grandmother's. What was also sad about this site was that here these folks had spent a LOT of money to perpetuate their existence and the cemetery was so neglected and overgrown with weeds. One grave had a broken slab and bees had made their hive inside. My husband, our guide, and myself were the only ones there and it was a sobering experience.
Sorry, I don't know anyone's address or anything. Leonardo de la Torre Berumen and Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada are two gentlemen whom I met on my trip. Bernardo and Leonardo collaborate a lot on historical research. You might be able to get Leonardo's email address from Mimi Lozano's Somos Primos newsletter. Marge:)
On Jun 30, 2005, at 1:50 AM, zendean wrote:
It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one! I did get to go to a cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was more to the name, but I cannot recall it.) It was very interesting. Some of graves are covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved marblery. A few are very distant relatives or family connections of my grandmother's. What was also sad about this site was that here these folks had spent a LOT of money to perpetuate their existence and the cemetery was so neglected and overgrown with weeds. One grave had a broken slab and bees had made their hive inside. My husband, our guide, and myself were the only ones there and it was a sobering experience.
Sorry, I don't know anyone's address or anything. Leonardo de la Torre Berumen and Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada are two gentlemen whom I met on my trip. Bernardo and Leonardo collaborate a lot on historical research. You might be able to get Leonardo's email address from Mimi Lozano's Somos Primos newsletter. Marge:)
On Jun 30, 2005, at 1:50 AM, zendean wrote:
Margarita;
My great grandfather and ggmother were from Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder,
is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife Leonarda Ramirez are and
have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me that they visited them in
Zacatecas when they were little and that the Macias's lived on a farm there.
I wonder if you know some one that is there now that I can correspond
with to ask about them.
Jose Macias
usa20@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margarita Vallazza" <TeaCozyGran@...>
To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy
> My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
> sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of her but here's one
> or two:
>
> I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
> remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
> healthy drink. She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
> to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd be served a dish of
> it and enjoy it. I liked it better than my mother's porridge (which I
> realize now was a true Scots dish). At special times, don't know what
> they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I didn't like too
> well. Remember, I was just a kid!:)
>
> I'll have to think about some more food...some of it was just the food
> from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he was from Chihuahua
> city.
>
> I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my grandmother, maybe I
> would have learned things about her family in Zacatecas. I believe
> even she didn't know a lot about her family history and I say that
> because my Tias, dad's sisters, don't know much about their mother's
> life in Zacatecas. I'm the one who told my Tia Carmen that my abuelita
> had a full sister named Paula, a full brother named Jose (who died in
> 1919) and 2 half-sisters and a half-brother...they never knew! People
> in the old country NEVER discussed anything private. Marge:)
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