As far as I have been able to tell, the nexus of the Pinedos in Southern Zacatecas and Northern Jalisco seems to be Jerez/Monte Escobedo. Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen seems to think they are all descended or related (as slaves or servants to descendants) to a Rodrigo de Pinedo or Pineda that was one of the captains fighting the Chichimeca War that were the original settlers of Jerez.
I have no definitive proof of this or even that my two Pinedo lineages come from him. My father's Pinedos definitely come from Monte Escobedo. They are descended from a Diego Pinedo who was married to a Gertrudis de Avila. Their son, Lorenzo Pinedo married a granddaughter of Francisco de Escobedo (founder of San Andres Astillero, which later came to be known as Monte Escobedo). Their children were born in in San Andres Astillero. One of them later moved to Totatiche and is one of the progenitors of the name in the region.
The other two are a Diego Pinedo who is a mulato in the early 1700s in Colotlan and had lots of children and a Francisco Pinedo who appears in Tlaltenango around 1700. Before that there are no Pinedos in Tlaltenango other than a son of one of the mayors in the early 1700s who appears to have left no descendancy in the area. Francisco Pinedo appears to have immigrated from Tayahua, Zacatecas (in what is now Villanueva) since the marriage of his oldest son states that he was born in Tayahua. That makes sense and would explain why he doesn't appear anywhere before that date since the records for Tayahua are missing for those years.
It is hard to say where to look but the Pinedos are concentrated in a cocentric circle around Monte Escobedo... Colotlan, Totatiche, Monte Escobedo, Tepetongo and Jerez. What are the approximate dates for your great-grandparents baptisms/marriages? Most of those municipalities are well indexed and your ancestors would show up if they were there which makes me think they may be in an unindexed place like Valparaiso or something of the sort. Nicanor's marriage document does not list his birthplace? How about your grandfather's baptism certificate. Does it list his grandparents? Do these match those from Nicanor's marriage document?
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Chris Pineda wrote:
You seem to know alot about the Pinedos in Zacatecas...so I'm hoping you can help me out. Perhaps the bext question to ask is what towns do you think were really hubs for Pinedos and Pinedas?
I'm asking because I've been stuck for a while and don't know how to proceed. I have found 2 marriage records for my great grandfather, named Nicanor Pineda, in Tlaltenango, dated 1903 and 1914. I also found the death certificate for his first wife in Tlaltenango. The problem is that I've been unable to find his baptism or birth records...I've been searching the Tlaltenango records for some time (for 1870s-1890s), but nothing. I'm wondering now if Nicanor Pineda might have been born and baptized someplace else.
What I do know is that his father's name is Pedro Pinedo according to the records I've found and, if my grandfather remembers right, Pedro Pinedo might have been in the cavalry. I believe that Nicanor's mother was named Pioquinta (Men/Car)dosa.
So any idea on other cities to start looking at? Any help is appreciated
I know this is an old post, but while researching a name, I came across another Diego Pinedo. It caught my eye because it shows he was marrying a Regina de Aguayo in 1694. No additional information, parents or originating town. Do you have any additional information on this couple?
Here is the link. Right hand page, second entry.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939Z-RS4D-S?i=250&cc=1615259
Thanks
Ruben R
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Chris:
Thinking about this a bit more, it is really going to be like looking for a needle in a haystack to try to find what town your great-grandfather was born in. I think that if you know yout g-g-grandfather's name and you suspect he was in the Mexican calvary that may be a more fruitful avenue to take.
Another alternative is to pull the "informaciones matrimoniales" film for your great-grandfather's first marriage. These often list grandparents as part of the due diligence to determine lack of cosanguinity.
From the familysearch.org site:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/Mexico18.asp
Military Records of Genealogical Value
The following records include information on most soldiers and can be useful in researching your family:
* Hojas de servicios (Service records). Lists of officers’ name, birth date, birthplace, family information, and military ranks and assignments.
* Expedientes personales (Personal petition files). Personal requests by servicemen
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Thanks for the comments. They were really helpful...as I may end up having to pursue the military record approach. Per Joseph's advice, I've also posted the two Informacion Matrimonal forms I had for Nicanor Pineda/Pinedo under Albums. If you look at it, you'll notice that both forms say that Nicanor is "originario y vecino de esta ciudad (Tlaltenango)."
Further one form suggests he was born around 1884, and the other form around 1881; while the Texas border crossing record suggests 1890. Knowing this, I still have been unsuccessful finding a birth or baptism record for Nicanor Pineda in Tlaltenango around this time. That's why I was thinking that perhaps he was born someplace else.
If anyone wants to look at the forms, please feel free...and let me know if they give you any insight or ideas. Thank and I hope to hear from you.
Chris Pineda
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Chris:
I had never seen an informacion matrimonial from such a recent period. To tell you the truth there is a lot less information there than what I imagined and certainly less that what I have seen in informaciones from one hundred fifty years earler. Perhaps intermarriage was more of a problem back then.
As far as "originario y vecino de esta ciudad" it could mean a number of things. He could have been born in a nearby rancho but baptized in a different parrish (Momax, Atolinga, Tepechitlan, Joaquin Amaro, etc.) Also he could have moved there at a young age in which case he "had always lived there" as far as he and the priest were concerned. Usually they would only note when people moved to the place as adults or still lived in another place at the time of marriage.
If Nicanor's parents are not listed there, where are you getting his parents' names from? Have you seen your grandfather's baptism certificate? That should definitely have his four grandparents' names as should
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Here is another tidbit clue in your puzzle to find your great-grandfather's birth Chris. His first wife was definitely from the area around Tlaltenango... actually from the next town over in Tepechitlan...
Parents:
NATIVIDAD GODOY
Marriages:
Spouse: FELIPE MINJARES
Marriage: 05 OCT 1864
M606161 1848 - 1873 0445049
And a sister:
MARIA MARGARITA MINJAREZ GODOY
Christening: 21 FEB 1869 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FELIPE MINJAREZ Family
Mother: NATIVIDAD GODOY
C600817 1867 - 1875 0444031
I see now where Nicanor's parents are mentioned in the second marriage dispensation. The mother's name is Pioquinta but the last name is either not there or difficult to make out. I am reading "Rosa" or :"Rosas" or "Losa"
And all of the Pedro Pinedos that come up in IGI for the relevant years. If only we were certain of your g-g-grandmother's name we would rule out these names definitively or figure out whether one of them is the right one. They are all
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Auturo,
Thanks again for taking this on and for your insights. I've been looking for Pineda records for some time now, and I've gotten discouraged at times at the lack of progress on my own Pineda line, even as my other family line research has been very productive.
Anyway, your most recent findings reminded me that I found the burial record for Antonia Minjarez awhile back. It confirms your findings, somehat: her parents are listed as Felipe Minjarez and Maria Natividad GURROLA, not GODOY. Not sure what to make of that, but perhaps I can follow up and see what I can find in the Tepechitlan records, or other nearby towns. I've uploaded this film in the Albums section.
As far as the names of Nicanor's parents goes, perhaps you're right: I thought it read "____dosa" meaning the name could be Mendosa or Cardosa, but I'll keep in mind it might be Rosa or Losa. Unfortunately, I don't really have any other resources to work from. Nicanor Pineda died when my grandfather was 15, before
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Diego Pinedo