Hi! I have a connection with Tello De Orozco in one of the older branches of my tree.
Salvador Thello De Orozco married Petra Guadalupe De Leon Aguirre. Don´t have his parents and don´t know why, long time ago I extracted this data so don´t remember. Anyways, this marriage took place in Ayotlán, Jal. on february 15, 1779, batch M604478, film 0280788.

Greetings from Leticia Leon

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I have a Jose Rafael Trillo Tello, who was Christened on 31 Oct 1779, SANTA MARIA DE GUADALUPE, ARANDAS, JALISCO, MEXICO. His mother was Maria De Jesus Tello De Orozco, who married a Juan Joseph Nepomuceno Trillo, on 25 FEB 1769, in San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico. I wonder if they are cousins.

I've also have seen variations in the spelling of the surname Tello as Theyo and Thello.

Francisco Escobar

Comentario

I have a Jose Rafael Trillo Tello, who was Christened on 31 Oct 1779, SANTA MARIA DE GUADALUPE, ARANDAS, JALISCO, MEXICO. His mother was Maria De Jesus Tello De Orozco, who married a Juan Joseph Nepomuceno Trillo, on 25 FEB 1769, in San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico. I wonder if they are cousins.

I've also have seen variations in the spelling of the surname Tello as Theyo and Thello.

Francisco Escobar

Comentario

Saturday, July 26, 2008

Dear Leticia--

What an interesting and perhaps complicated question
you have asked in wanting to know who were the parents
of Salvador THELLO de OROZCO.

................

Hi! I have a connection with Tello De Orozco in one
of the older branches of my tree.
Salvador Thello De Orozco married Petra Guadalupe De
Leon Aguirre. Don´t have his parents and don´t know
why, long time ago I extracted this data so don´t
remember. Anyways, this marriage took place in
Ayotlán, Jal. on february 15, 1779, batch M604478,
film 0280788.

Greetings from Leticia Leon

................

I did not have a date for his marriage to Petra
Guadalupe de LEON nor her parents. I had figured out
they married about 1779 because I had their first son
listed as Jose Maria OROSCO, born about 1780 in
Pesadumbre, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.

Jose Maria OROSCO married Juana Maria de La Luz NUNO
on 15 Jan 1801 in Atotonilco el Alto and had a child
named Jose Apolinar ORSOCO born 23 Jul

Comentario

This message is for all members of Nuestros Ranchos.

I am currently looking for the link between Geronimo de Orosco married to
Doña Angela Temiño de Velasco, and his namesake Dr. Geronimo de Orosco y
Lerma, Gobernador y Capitan General de la Nueva Galicia and President of the
Real Audiencia de Guadalajara in 1574.

I read that the Geronimo de Orosco who married Doña Angela de Velasco was a
descendant of Alberto de Orosco, first cousin of Geronimo de Orosco y Lerma.
Doña Angela de Velasco was a great granddaughter of Hernan Flores de la
Torre, Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia, and his wife Maria Alvarez de la
Torre. Is anyone familiar with the pedigree of Dr. Geronimo de Orosco y
Lerma? Any thoughts on the link between Alberto de Orosco and his first
cousin Geronimo de Orosco? Any help will be appreciated.

Bill Figueroa

Comentario

Who are the parents of Angela Tremino de Valasco and who were her parents' parents?

Thank you.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> This message is for all members of Nuestros Ranchos.
>
> I am currently looking for the link between Geronimo de Orosco married to
> Doña Angela Temiño de Velasco, and his namesake Dr. Geronimo de Orosco y
> Lerma, Gobernador y Capitan General de la Nueva Galicia and President of the
> Real Audiencia de Guadalajara in 1574.
>
> I read that the Geronimo de Orosco who married Doña Angela de Velasco was a
> descendant of Alberto de Orosco, first cousin of Geronimo de Orosco y Lerma.
> Doña Angela de Velasco was a great granddaughter of Hernan Flores de la
> Torre, Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia, and his wife Maria Alvarez de la
> Torre. Is anyone familiar with the pedigree of Dr. Geronimo de Orosco y
> Lerma? Any thoughts on the link between Alberto de Orosco and his first
> cousin

Comentario

Esther,

The parents of Angela Temiño de Velasco were Juan Ramírez de la Campaña and Francisca Temiño de Velasco. She used her mother's surname. I don't know who her paternal grandparents were, but her maternal grandparents were Diego Flores de la Torre (second Encomendero of Juchipila) and Angela de Velasco.

Do you have any info. on this family?

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA

Who are the parents of Angela Tremino de Valasco and who were her parents' parents?

Thank you.
--
Esther A. Herold

Comentario

I was looking for information of Diego Temino de Velasco who was also know as Diego Trevino de Velasco. I do not have information on this family. Diego was in Cartegena before 1537. Francisca Alcocer his wife arrived after 1537 with their children which included Baltasar Banuelos. Banuelos was a family name of an ancestor.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther,
> The parents of Angela Temiño de Velasco were Juan Ramírez de la Campaña and Francisca Temiño de Velasco. She used her mother's surname. I don't know who her paternal grandparents were, but her maternal grandparents were Diego Flores
> de la Torre (second Encomendero of Juchipila) and Angela de Velasco.
>
> Do you have any info. on this family?
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Who are the parents of

Comentario

Doña Angela de Velasco (married to Gerónimo de Orosco) was a resident of Aguascalientes. They owned the Hacienda de San Gerónimo, I believe in the Jurisdiction of Teocaltiche. Her ancestors were:

Parents: Juan Ramírez de la Campaña
Francisca Temiño de Velasco

Grandparents: Diego Flores de la Torre (2nd. Encomendero de Juchipila)
(maternal) Angela de Velasco

G1 Grandparents Pedro Pacho Rodríguez (Conquistador) (The surname Pacho evolved into Pacheco)
(maternal) María Ana de Velasco y Temiño de Bañuelos

G2 Grandparents Diego de Velasco Alcide de Temiño
(maternal) Francisca de Alcocer (see below)

G3 Grandparents Bernardino Fernández de Velasco
(paternal) María Enríquez Sarmiento

The parents of Francisca de Alcocer were Pedro de León and Beatriz de

Comentario

Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

Doña Angela de Velasco (married to Gerónimo de Orosco) was a resident of Aguascalientes. They owned the Hacienda de San Gerónimo, I believe in the
> Jurisdiction of Teocaltiche. Her ancestors were:
>
> Parents: Juan Ramírez de la Campaña
> Francisca Temiño de Velasco
> Grandparents: Diego Flores de la Torre (2nd. Encomendero de
> Juchipila)
> (maternal) Angela de Velasco
> G1 Grandparents Pedro Pacho Rodríguez (Conquistador) (The
> surname Pacho evolved into Pacheco)
> (maternal) María Ana de Velasco y Temiño de Bañuelos
>
> G2 Grandparents Diego de Velasco Alcide de Temiño
> (maternal) Francisca de Alcocer (see below)
>
> G3 Grandparents Bernardino Fernández de Velasco
> (paternal) María Enríquez Sarmiento
> The parents of

Comentario

Para la información de todos ustedes, estoy en este momento en el museo de Tepatitlán Jalisco. El libro de don Mariano González Leal "Retoños de la Nueva España tomo I y tomo II, los tienen de venta en este mismo lugar. Acabo de platicar con el editor y dice que tiene la cantidad que le pidan.
 
El nombre del editor es Francisco Alcalá, su número directo es: (378) 782-4277.
Su domicilio electrónico es consejodecronistasalcala@hotmail.com
 
For the information of you all, I am right now at the museum of Tepatitlán Jalisco.
They have for sale the book of Mariano González Leal "Retoños de la Nueva España." editions I and II.
 
I am talking to the editor, he says that he has any amount avalaible for sale.
 
The editor´s name is Francisco Alcalá. His direct telephone number is: (378) 7982 - 4277. If you call from the U.S or Canada, you dial (011) (52) first than the city code 378. His email is: consejodecronistasalcala@hotmail.com
 
Thank you
 
Juan Ramón Alvarez

--- On Wed, 8/20/08

Comentario

Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco? Please explain.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA

Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
--
Esther A. Herold

Comentario

Bill,

To find the parents of Diego you have to begin in Seville, where they were born.

See this url :http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/origen/monte.htm

It explains about the relationship of Francisca Alcocer and Beatriz Alcocer, who were sisters.
The information on Saavedra is also in the 'Encomenderos of New Spain 1521-155' by Robert Himmerich y Valencia.

Bernardino was married
Blanca de Herrera, señora de Pedraza de la Sierra
Juana of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Ferdinand II of Aragon.
Source
Duques de Frías(in Portuguese

Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco
De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
(Redirigido desde Bernardino Fernández de Velasco (III Conde de Haro))
Saltar a navegación, búsqueda
Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco y Mendoza (1454 - 1512), 3º conde de Haro, 7º condestable de Castilla, miembro del triunvirato con el Cardenal Cisneros y con Pedro Manrique III de Lara, 1º Duque de Nájera que aconsejaba desde 1506 a la Reina Juana I de Castilla "La Loca"

Comentario

Hi Esther,

I read the document included in your last email concerning Don Bernardino
Fernández de Velasco, first Duque de Frías, which apparently comes from a
reliable source. It has no information about a son named Diego de Velasco,
Alcalde de Temiño (aka Diego de Temiño de Velasco, or Diego Temiño de
Velasco). I find this very disturbing and wonder if the Condestable de
Castilla Don Bernardino Fernández de Velasco mentioned in Mariano González
Leal "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" [Tomo II, Esquema Genealógico
Número 6] is the same person. The description in Wikipedia states that
Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, 3er. Conde de Haro and 7o. Condestable de
Castilla, had no male descendants, consequently his title of Duque de Frías
was inherited by his brother Iñigo Fernández de Velasco. It also mentions
that in his final will and testament he made provisions for the inheritance
of his four illegitimate sons Pedro, Juan, Bernardino and Pedro Suárez,
all of whom he recognized

Comentario

This is the travel document for Francisca Alcoer and her children from the archives in Spain. Francisca died in Guadalajara. In Guerillmo Garamedia's Leal's extractions of Gudalajara Tomo I available at San Antonio online bookstore Borderland Books:

ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER
Fecha Creación:
1538-06-13 -
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple

ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER, mujer de Velazco de Treviño, y su hijo Alonso de Velazco y Diego y Baltasar, a Cartagena.

ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Alcocer, Francisca de
Cartagena de Indias
Treviño, Velasco de
Velasco de Treviño Alcocer, Baltasar
Velazco, Alonso de
Velazco de Treviño de Alcocer, Diego
Instrumentos de Descripción:
Descripción incluida en CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS. VOLUMEN II (1535-1538)

ÁREA DE DOCUMENTACIÓN ASOCIADA
Unidades

Comentario

Esther, Sophia et al

Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]

"En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."

Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of Baltazar and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer. Don Baltazar, Conquistador, married doña María de Zaldívar y Mendoza, and doña Mariana married 1) Pedro Pacho Rodríguez, also Conquistador, and 2) Francisco de Figueroa y Carbajal.

This information was quoted to me from that book

Comentario

That was the will I was telling you about before. Only I found it the Neva Galicia Tomo I book by Guillermo Garamendia Leal. You can get the book at Borderlands books.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther, Sophia et al
> Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]
> "En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de
> don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."
> Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of

Comentario

Guillermo Garmendia Leal extracted infor from the protocolos of Guadalajara.FUNDADORES DE NUEVA GALICIA, GUADALAJARA, TOMO I HISPANIC GENEALOGY
Author: Guillermo Garmendia Leal
Price: $40.00
Shipping: $3.25
The latest in a series of publications by the author( See #'s 1089 and 1090 and 1112 - 1123 in this category). Includes El Padron de Tetlan en 1541, Expedicion de Coronado, Familias de Guadalajara, Vecinos de Nueva Galicia, La Familia Tremino & Gobernadores/ Nueva Galicia y Nueva Vizcaya. Monterrey, 1996, 1st Ed., PB, SPTXT, 167 Pgs.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther, Sophia et al
> Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]
> "En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado

Comentario

Esther,

"Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara, Tomo I" by Guillermo Garmendia
Leal is at the Genealogy Section of my local library. I've checked it
before, but at the time I wasn't interested in the Temiño family. Next time
I
go downtown, maybe in September, I will check it again and photocopy the
pages that relate to that family.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Guillermo Garmendia Leal extracted infor from the protocolos of
Guadalajara. FUNDADORES DE NUEVA GALICIA, GUADALAJARA, TOMO I HISPANIC
GENEALOGY
Author: Guillermo Garmendia Leal
Price: $40.00
Shipping: $3.25
The latest in a series of publications by the author( See #'s 1089 and 1090
and 1112 - 1123 in this category). Includes El Padron de Tetlan en 1541,
Expedicion de Coronado, Familias de Guadalajara, Vecinos de Nueva Galicia,
La Familia Tremino & Gobernadores/ Nueva Galicia y Nueva Vizcaya

Comentario

Sophia, Bill,

I just found this document in the spanish archives. Perhaps the surname Temino is not from the father 's side but from the mother's side. This travel document is for Lenor Temino. If you notice her parents, they are Isabel Alcocer and supposedly Hernando Baniellos. I think the father is supposed to be Hernardo Banuelos. This couple has been lisetd by John Inclan as the parents of Francisca Alcocer. This would make Lenor the sister of Franisca and Beatriz Alcocer. Beatriz Alcocer cer was the mother in -law of Lope Saavedra.:

Texto de búsqueda "isabel alcocer" , del Archivo Archivo General de Indias , dentro de la unidad Catálogos de Pasajeros a Indias

RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "LEONOR [SIC] DE TEMIÑO"
Archivo: Archivo General de Indias
Signatura: PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4492

Imprimir

ÁREA DE IDENTIFICACIÓN

Código de Referencia:
ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4492
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
LEONOR [SIC] DE TEMIÑO
Fecha Creación

Comentario

Esther, Sophia et al

Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
from Temiño. Thus, I'm not surprised to find out that the daughter of Isabel
Alcocer and Hernando Bañuelos was listed as a passenger under the name
Leonor de Temiño, i.e. Leonor from Temiño. She may have been born in that
village. I have also found references to Diego de Velasco as Alcayde de
Temiño, and to Hernando Bañuelos as Jurado. Both Alcayde and Jurado are
occupations, and in the case of Diego de Velasco, Temiño would be the
village or town where he was Alcayde (or alcalde).

I have Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y

Comentario

I have been looking at this subject, Trevino and Temino are totally different places in Spain. I think Trevino is in the Basque or Pamplona region of spain. I have heard this place, my mother's family comes prob 20 miles away in Santander, Espana. I will agree with Bill on the conquistadores, mostly came from Noble families, in Castilla and Andalucia, Espana. These members were of noble families mostly the other
siblings of the title holder. Since tradition is the oldest son gets all inheritance in the nobility, the other kids usally went to university or became in the church clergy. I would say roughly around 75% came from Castilla and 20% came from Andalucia while 5 % came from Aragon and 10% from other regions ins Spain. -Daniel Mendez del Camino
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Look at this document. :

PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR AMANCEBADO.

En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar amancebado con Francisca de León, su cuñada, y con Francisca de Velasco, prima hermana de ésta, con quien ha tenido hijos de las tres.

El primer testigo que se presenta es Beatriz de Alcocer, mujer de Juan de Salamanca, vecina de la ciudad de México (hija del Licenciado Pedro de León y de Beatriz de Alcocer[1]) y dijo que hacía cuatro años el dicho Lope de Saavedra se encontraba en Michoacán, siendo casado con su hermana Elvira de León, donde se quedó con Francisca de León, la cual quedaría embarazada y sería

Comentario

 
thank you for sharing this document, it's no wonder we sometimes have problems putting family lines together.  Just because they were Spanish "gentlemen" doesn't always mean they were always gentlemen!
 
Linda in B.C.

--- On Mon, 8/25/08, eaherold@att.net wrote:

From: eaherold@att.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 2:23 PM

Look at this document. :

PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
AMANCEBADO.

En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer Obispo
de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel López de
Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y presentó
denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa de Cáceres,
vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar amancebado con
Francisca de León, su cuñada, y con Francisca de Velasco, prima hermana de
ésta

Comentario

Esther,

I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the parents
of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de
Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database.

Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who married
Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Diego de Velasco (aka Diego de
Temiño or Diego Temiño de Velasco). I think we have their descendants
properly identified.

The accusation is pretty disgusting, although I take it with a grain of
salt. Many accusations presented to the Santo Oficio were dismissed as
totally false. I have two examples, one presented against Bernarda Salado
by a black slave named Antonia de Olmo, who accused her of practicing
witchery. The case was dismissed and Antonia de Olmo declared of feeble
mind by the Santo Oficio. Obviously a disgruntled employee. The other
example was Andrés Ruiz de

Comentario

Esther and Bill,

I must say thank you to both of you!
I was looking at Pares.es in the "Catalogos de Pasajeros a Indias"
and found a Diego de Trevino who was married to a Francisca Alcocer with there children. (Copied Below)
Is this Francisca and Diego? Because on Gary Felix's site he mentioned that Termino and Trevino are interchanged and I just read your message Esther saying the same thing.

Thank you Again.
Sofia

RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER" Archivo: Archivo General de IndiasSignatura: PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940

ÁREA DE IDENTIFICACIÓN

Código de Referencia:
ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940

Titulo Nombre atribuido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER
Fecha Creación:
1538-06-13 -
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple
ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA

Alcance y Contenido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER, mujer de Velazco de Treviño, y su hijo Alonso de Velazco y Diego y Baltasar, a Cartagena.
ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y

Comentario

Esther y Bill,

Lo siento...............I reread the document and I see I mixed the names............too much stuff on my brain............

Sofia
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Comentario

Sofía,

Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It
would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting
to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de
Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "sophia"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Esther and Bill,

I must say thank you to both of you!
I was looking at Pares.es in the "Catalogos de Pasajeros a Indias"
and found a Diego de Trevino who was married to a Francisca Alcocer with
there children. (Copied Below)
Is this Francisca and Diego? Because on Gary Felix's site he mentioned that
Termino and Trevino are interchanged and I just read your message Esther
saying the same thing.

Thank you Again.
Sofia

Comentario

Depending on what kind of church records it varies, usually for baptisms the earliest Ive seen is about 1545. Marriages seem to start somewhere between 1565-1580 and deaths earliest as 1521.
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It is the same information i sent before. It is only an index of the record. Theere was no image of the record.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Sofía,
>
> Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It
> would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting
> to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de
> Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?
>
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sophia"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
>
>
>
> Esther and Bill,
>
> I must say thank you to both of you!
> I was looking at Pares.es in the "Catalogos de Pasajeros a Indias"
> and found a Diego de Trevino who was married to a Francisca Alcocer with
> there children. (Copied Below)
> Is this Francisca and Diego? Because on Gary Felix's

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Hola Bill,

There was no image. I just copied and pasted so you could see what was there.

Sofia

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO> > Sofía,> > Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It > would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting > to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de > Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?> > Bill
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The earliest marriage film I see for Mexico City is 1575. That is not early enough for us.
I would like to see Seville marriage records for Diego and Francisca Alcocer. Anybody going to spain soon?
--
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>
> Hola Bill,
>
> There was no image. I just copied and pasted so you could see what was there.
>
> Sofia
> > From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO> > Sofía,> > Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It > would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting > to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de > Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?> >
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Bill and Esther,

I just wanted to double check something..............Francisca Alcocer (the elder), I have her name like this: Francisca Alcoideo Ascoide.
Is this correct? Is this the same person?

Sofia

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No, Sofía. The name is Francisca de Alcocer. You may have confused her
surname with her husband's title who, according to some sources, was ALCAIDE
(sometimes spelled ALACAYDE) of some place in Mexico or Spain. Check
previous correspondence on this subject.

The Larousse dictionary defines Alcaide as a person in charge of defending a
fort ("el que tenía a su cargo la guarda y defensa de una fortaleza"). I
don't think it is used in that sense any more. In modern times I've seen
the word used to refer to the warden of a prison ("en las cárceles, guardián
de la prisión").

On the other hand, ALCALDE with an "L" is the highest authority in a
Municipality or District, i.e. the Mayor of a city.

I've been thinking about this for sometime, and since I don't know much
about Diego Temiño de Velasco I'm beginning to think that he was NOT the
Mayor of a city, but in charge of a fort or military installation.
Otherwise, he would have been referred to as Alcalde Mayor or Alcalde

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Thank you Bill!
I had copied Francisca's name from "Retoños". I may have misunderstood something when I was reading so I will look at it again.

Sofia
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George,

I got two names mixed up in my previous email. What I meant to say was that
Pedro de Leon and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who married
Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Lope de Saavedra. Francisca de
Alcocer (the elder) sister-in-law to Pedro de León, was married to Diego
Temiño de Velasco. I still have not checked Himmerich y Valencia and Icaza.

As far as Francisco de Orosco Aguero is concerned, he was the son of
Geronimo de Orosco and Angela de Velasco, residents of Aguascalientes and
Teocaltiche. This Geronimo de Orosco is the one I'm trying to link to Dr.
Geronimo de Orosco y Lerma, Gobernador de la Nueva Galicia. I know they
were closely related, but I don't know who their ancestors were to find the
proper link.

Bill Figueroa

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Carlos Peredo

Hello Bill,

Maybe it is no longer useful the information I´m writing below but I post it just in case it is of use to anyone:

Diego Temiño de Velasco (the one who marriedo to Francisca de Alcocer Bañuelos) was Alcaide del castillo de Pedraza, so your guess that he was not the Mayor of a town or village was correct.

The castle of Pedraza was a property of Blanca de Herrera Niño de Portugal first wife of Bernardino Fernández de Velasco and when Blanca died the castle became a property of Bernardino.
Bernardino had two powerful uncles (brothers of his father): Diego First Count of Nieva , and Sancho who was "Señor de Arnedo" and later "Señor de Nieva" when Diego died childless.
Sancho had two daughters : Francisca and Sancha; Francisca became 2nd Countess of Nieva and married Diego López de Zúñiga Herrera ,this couple died cildless also, this way the title went to a sister of Diego López de Zúñiga : Francisca López de Zúñiga y Herrera but.......fortunately for Don Sancho

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isn't it the elder Fancisca ALcocer, sister-in-law to Pedro Leon, who was married to Diego Temino.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther,
>
> I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
> information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the parents
> of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de
> Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database.
>
> Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who married
> Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Diego de Velasco (aka Diego de
> Temiño or Diego Temiño de Velasco). I think we have their descendants
> properly identified.
>
> The accusation is pretty disgusting, although I take it with a grain of
> salt. Many accusations presented to the Santo Oficio were dismissed as
> totally false. I have two examples, one presented against Bernarda Salado
> by a black

Comentario

My apologies. I got the names mixed up in my previous email. What I meant
to say was that Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters,
Beatriz who married Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Lope de
Saavedra. Francisca Alcocer (the elder), sister-in-saw to Pedro de León was
married to Diego Temiño de Velasco. Sorry.

Bill Figueroa

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

isn't it the elder Fancisca ALcocer, sister-in-law to Pedro Leon, who was
married to Diego Temino.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa"
: --------------

Esther,

I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the parents
of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de
Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database...

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This is a very important document, but the way I read it the "Francisca
who married Diego Temiño de Velasco" is the sister of Beatriz de Alcocer
and daughter of Hernando and Isabel as you say. Thus Francisca de
Alcocer (who married Diego de Velasco) is the Tía of Elvira, Maria (who
married Pedro Castellar), and Beatriz de Alcozer (who married Juan de
Salamanca). That makes Francisca de Velasco (daughter of Francisca and
Diego) the prima hermana of Elvira and Beatriz as the document says. The
Francisca who married Diego is not the daughter of Pedro de Leon and
Betriz de Alcocer, but rather of Hernando and Isabel.

What is more confusing is that Himmerich y Valencia and Icaza write
that: "Lope de Saavedra married a daughter of Gonzalo Gomez de Saavedra
and doña Leonor de Orellana, also of Caceres ... they had two sons and
two daughters. He died in 1538, the same year he was referred to the
Inquisition for having a first cousin as a concubine." So who was the
concubine and

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Bill,

Where did you get the information that Diego Temino Velasco, husband of Francisca Alcocer , was the alcalde of Temino? What exactly does the source say?

Thanks,

Esther

Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from eaherold@att.net: --------------

> Look at this document. :
> PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
> AMANCEBADO.
> En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar amancebado con Francisca de León, su cuñada, y con Francisca de Velasco, prima hermana de
> ésta, con quien ha tenido hijos de las tres.
> El primer testigo que se presenta es Beatriz de Alcocer, mujer de Juan de Salamanca, vecina de la ciudad

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Esther,

I have seen Diego Temiño de Velasco referred to as Alcaide (or Alcaide) in more than one source. Below is some information about Diego de Aguilar, who married a daughter of Diego Temiño de Velasco (I have not been able to find her first name). It also mentions his son Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos. who is one of the founding fathers of Zacatecas. The sources are included in parenthesis.

"AGUILAR, Diego de
Hijo legítimo de Alonso de Aguilar y de Mari Gutiérrez de Santander. Pasó con Pedrarias de Avila a Tierra Firme. Arribó a la Nueva España con un navío suyo, cargado de armas, caballos y bastimentos. Dueño de minas en la Nueva España desde 1528. Hacia 1548 era vecino de la ciudad de México, pero residía en las minas de Zultepec, donde fue nombrado, el 21 de junio de 1550, diputado de minas por un año. Casó con una hija legítima del alcaide Diego Temiño de Velasco, el padre legítimo de Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos (Documentos cortesianos I, 1990: 90; Gerhard, 1992: 316

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It has everything to do with the Trevino surname. Diego, the son of Diego and Francisca Alcocer had children born in Mexico City and Zacatecas I believe to his wife Beatriz Quintanilla. Most of their descendants live in Coahuila, Nuevo leon, and Tamulipias and Texas and Louisana. In the early colonial period you could see temino and Trevino used interchangeably in documents.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther, Sophia et al
>
> Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
> 12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
> conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
> Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
> Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
> the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
> from Temiño. Thus, I'm not surprised to find

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Dna testing of Banuelos dna would answer a lot of questions. Trevino dna from the descendants of colonial residents of Nuevo Leon have already been tested. Trevinos also used mother surnames. Branches of trevinos using mother surname instead of father's included the Ayala family ( my own) and the Arriolas( also my own).

Anyone know any Banuelos descended from Baltasar who who would test?
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther, Sophia et al
>
> Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
> 12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
> conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
> Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
> Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
> the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
> from Temiño. Thus, I'm not

Comentario

Bill,

The testamento of Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco can be found in this publication:
http://www.amigosdemedina.com/publicaciones.html
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco?
> Please explain.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this
> title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
> --
> Esther A. Herold

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Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did
you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino
Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March
2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be interesting to
read.

Bill Figueroa

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA

Bill,

The testamento of Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco can be found in this
publication:
http://www.amigosdemedina.com/publicaciones.html
--
Esther A. Herold

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Hello Esther,

I am also interested like Bill to read this "final will and testament".
I also had the same understanding that Bill had about Diego's parents because I had found it in Retoños.
Its a good thing that this information has come up otherwise we would have been investigating ironeous information.
Thank you Esther.

Sofia

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:28:30 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA> > Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did > you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino > Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March > 2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be interesting to > read.> > Bill Figueroa
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I just found the reference. I have not had time to get a copy yet of the will. Has any one else?
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from sophia : --------------

>
> Hello Esther,
>
> I am also interested like Bill to read this "final will and testament". I also had the same understanding that Bill had about Diego's parents because I
> had found it in Retoños. Its a good thing that this information has come up otherwise we would have been
> investigating ironeous information.
> Thank you Esther.
>
> Sofia
>
> > From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:28:30 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA> > Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did > you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino > Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March > 2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be

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Diego did serve in Cartagena in early 1530s. have been trying to find information in those archives.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco?
> Please explain.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this
> title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
> --
> Esther A. Herold

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I am actually new at this conversation but am very well familiar with these families. I am related to the Duques de Frías. Actually Bernardino Velasco did have two illigitamte children named Ana
and Bernardino, they both recieved courtesy titles such as Señor de Salazar. In the nobility the upper class of the nobles will not pass main titles to iligítimos since it is seen as as a "disgrace."
In the lower nobility that of Marques, Conde, Vizconde, Hidalgos and others dont really care about
iligitamacy, as long as the "titles stay in the house" it is fine. They would much rather prefer
an iligitmate child in the male descent to succeed than a female line marrying some other famil, then that family obtains that title. This was often watched and if only females were available they would marry a male cousin of the same last name to prevent the titles leaving the house.
The upper nobles are sensitive about iligítimos, since it looks bad in Spanish society, still does
to almost all

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Carlos Peredo

I found the following information that answers and old question posted here several years ago concerning the pedigree of Gerónimo de Orozco y Lerma; it may be not useful anymore but I post it just in case :

Juan Bautista de Orozco y de Lierna

El nueve de mayo de mil quinientos sesenta y seis, se embarcó en la Nao de las Indias, con destino a Guadalajara, Capital de la Nueva Galicia, el Licenciado don Juan Bautista de Orozco, natural de Sevilla; hijo de Jerónimo de Orozco y de doña Inés de Lerna. En Sevilla quedaban sus padres, pero en la propia Nueva Galicia había hallado solar y ventura un hermano mayor del viajero: el doctor Jerónimo de Orozco, años antes emigrado, Gobernador de ese Reino y Presidente de su Audiencia, casado para entonces con doña Beatriz, sobrina del famoso Oidor de la Nueva España, el Licenciado don Francisco Tello de Sandoval.

Juan Orozco, radicado a la sazoón en la Ciudad de México, fue comisionado virreinal para elegir las tierras convenientes