All this talk about Royal blood and we Altenos having a preference of our cousins is interesting. This past Sunday night, I was watching a story on Josef Mengele's possible connection to multiple births of twins in a small town in Brazil. This was on the National Geographic channel:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/11/091125-nazi-twins-brazi…
I had to chuckle when the story came to an end because the multiple twin births had to do more with having a common German ancestor, and twins running in families. Sounds like Los Altos, huh?
Irma Gomez Gtz
Northern California
Well we also have to understand the reasons for these marriages. In most
cases here in Los Altos, many of our ancestors lived in ranches in an almost
socially isolated environment. By socially isolated I mean that they had
hardly any contact with people from other ranches. The only time they saw
other people that weren't their close family was on Sundays when the whole
family went to church and to the town market to buy their supplies for the
week, that's when what they grew and produced in-home wasn't sufficient
(this still happens today with some families here in Los Altos).
The only people they had interaction with were their family members that
lived nearby or visited them, so for them it wouldn't be awkward for cousins
to get to know and talk to each other and eventually marry and form their
own family. Alteño males were (and most sill are) very jealous people and
machos, so some preferred their daughters marry into the family then give
her away to a "stranger", not knowing what
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Hola Rick, I have to agree with what you say. My family is from the San Julian area and on my father's side for generations they intermarried. On my mothers side I thought were an exemption since my Grandfather was an " Indio" to his inlaws but on his paternal side my grandmother(his wife)was related .I guess there is no escaping .
As far as the purification of family ,I was never told that they married for that reason.
Ronnie Reynoso
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> Well we also have to understand the reasons for these marriages. In most
> cases here in Los Altos, many of our ancestors lived in ranches in an almost
> socially isolated environment. By socially isolated I mean that they had
> hardly any contact with people from other ranches. The only time they saw
> other people that weren't their close family was on Sundays when the whole
> family
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Hello to all! Long time since I've added my 2 cents... I would say that it's probably about removing the 'indian' in us, no? Or venture to say, the indian features to be white, colored-eye again!?
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From: Ronald Reynoso
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Hola Rick, I have to agree with what you say. My family is from the San Julian area and on my father's side for generations they intermarried. On my mothers side I thought were an exemption since my Grandfather was an " Indio" to his inlaws but on his paternal side my grandmother(his wife)was related .I guess there is no escaping .
As far as the purification of family ,I was never told that they married for that reason.
Ronnie Reynoso
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> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:57:13 -0600
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Ill add my 2 cents to this topic too! I have read many books on Los Altos, a common
explanation could be the social aspect and children. Ill make up an example close to
something I read, One would think a peninsular would be equal to an alteno, but this
is socially false. Once the families were well established they soon began to marry off
their children all over the Meseta, which eventually spilled into Guanajuato, Zacatecas,
Aguascalintes, SLP, parts of Michoacan. In common Spanish society Peninsulars were
regarded above criollos, I would imagine in Los Altos it would be inverted. If a peninsular
say after 200 years after the formation of Los Altos so ca. 1700s or so would settle in
Los Altos, Id imagine the peninsular was not seen as equal to the old alteno society
who were descendants of the original colonists. Regardless whereas all other society
in New Spain saw the peninsular 'better'. The new peninsular that would settle in Los Altos
would probably have to
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I guess it's time I added my voice to the chorus. My father's line is from San Jose De Bazarte (just outside of Tepatitlan), the Gonzalez \ Casillas line intermarried for 3 generations by my count ( at least). It is most surely a European hold over having to do with several things already mentioned here ( wealth, property, purity of blood and so on )
When I met some of my relatives from Los Altos they commented on how it was good to see that the "Old Blood" had survived in some of us.
Robert Gonzalez~
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"Old Blood" had survived in some of us.
Wow, this surely sounds like a colonial speech!
I can relate to this, you grandfather always says we need to be proud of our blood.
-Daniel
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