At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept, except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it? In addition to periodic inquiries of our members, this might prove to be a good challenge for our own genalogists that love mysteries?
Just a thought.
Joseph de Leon
I like this idea very much Joe!
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I'd like to submit my brick wall as well. My main one, is that of the Montalvo family. I gave the history that I know of them in my introduction.
Isabel Montalvo
+ Maria Huerta. Married on or before 1860
Their children were:
1. Maria Librada Montalvo Huerta was born on 20 Aug. 1860 in Villanueva, Zac.
2. Maria Marcos Montalvo Huerta was born on 9 Oct. 1861 in Villanueva, Zac.
3. Maria Paula Montalvo Huerta was born on 20 June 1863 in Villanueva, Zac.
4. Josefa Montalvo Huerta.
5. Maria Magdalena Montalvo Huerta was born on 24 July 1866 in Villanueva, Zac.
6. Julio Montalvo Huerta was born on Apr. 1868 in Villanueva, Zac.
7. Pedro Montalvo Huerta was born on Jan. 1871 in Villanueva, Zac.
8. Maria Sotera Montalvo Huerta was born on 18 Apr. 1874 in Villanueva, Zac.
9. Clemente Montalvo Huerta was born on Nov. 1880 in Villanueva, Zac.
He married Patricia Cabral Rojas.
10. Antonio Montalvo Huerta.
Of these all, Clemente is my great grandfather. Of his siblings, I know that
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Have you ordered the films for these records? Its important to alwaysorder the film, (unless it available on LABS) its possible that the grandparentsare listed on the baptismal record especiall after 1800 they started including the grandparents, only if they would have included grandparents around 1500 to nowwould genealogy be glorious! Note: I ran a search and it appears your Maria Huerta'sful name is Maria Macaria Huerta.
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Great Idea!!
Let's all contribute our 'Brick Walls'
Phyls Esparza
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> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept, except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
>
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it?
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I thought I'd add my "brick wall" to this board in hope of learning something new. I have been able to trace my father's family (Mora) using films at the FHC to Pedro de la Mora and his wife Antonia Martin del Campo. He is the father of Jph. Raphael de la Mora according to the marriage record of Raphael to Ma. Nicolasa Delgado on 8 Feb 1796 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. He was 22, so his birth was about 1776, 2 years before films for this area are available.
I may have some leads for more family members. Rafael (spelling now changes in records) and Nicolaza have a son, Jose Leandro Mora Delgado and he is baptized on 12 Mar 1797. The Padrinos (Godparents)are: Antonio de la Mora and Chatarina Berdin (also Verdin). I found their marriage certificate as well as some of their children and many of the Padrinos of their children as well as other "de la Mora"'s are shared. (I will gladly share all this information with anyone who can help but I will spare the majority as
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I'm not clear whether you looked at IGI data for film #634019 via batch #s
J602485 & K602485. A quick scan on my part didn't turn up anything, but you
may have more luck scanning it for unusual spellings of the surnames. Good
luck. -Raquel
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Thanks Raquel. The information that I have is from searching IGI data and then viewing films. The only films I have not yet seen are from Teocaltiche. I've only been doing genealogy for a little over a year so I guess I'm asking if there are other resources in addition to IGI and films. Also what is the difference between a film number and a batch number? Can a film have more than one batch number or vice versa? I looked on the familysearch.org site and I'm still unsure. Thanks again for your response.
Sherri Mora
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Dear Sherri:
I was online, so thought I would step in and try to explain. The LDS has over 300,000 films. The film number is the number used to order a particular film. All films have a film number, sort of like the call numbers on books in the library.
Some of the films have been extracted into on online database, which is search-able. So while all films have film numbers for which you are able order, only certain films have been extracted, and part of the information on the records are available online. The LDS members are constantly adding new batches. If a film has a batch number, then you may go onto the familysearch.org website and search that film, person by person if you wish. If an ancestor does not come up for you in familysearch, it does not mean the records are not available, it just means their records have not been batched or the entry was made with an alternative spelling. Sometimes it pays off to go through the batch by hand. Sometimes it pays off to
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It does appear to me that each film is associated with one batch number.
Batch numbers are what you can use to access a list of the records extracted
from the film. Ideally, it should include all the entries on the film. You
can access the complete list by either going to our website and clicking
films, then locating the state, then city, then film number, and clinging
the IGI option. That will get you to the total list. That is useful
because there are often mulitple spellings of the same surname or extraction
errors in the spellings. Or you can note the batch number, go to
familysearch.org, click Search Records, click Advanced Search, click
International Genealogical Index (side bar), and complete the boxes. You
can just put the Region and Batch Number and you will get the whole list
again. If you only put in the Region, Batch Number and a surname, you will
get a list of extracts that have that surname listed as the first
surname. The more info you input, the more finite
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Its better to click than cling.
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I have a juan de la mora hermosillo married to margarita Martin del campo from the same time in my records.
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I thought I'd add my "brick wall" to this board in hope of learning something new. I have been able to trace my father's family (Mora) using films at the FHC to Pedro de la Mora and his wife Antonia Martin del Campo. He is the father of Jph. Raphael de la Mora according to the marriage record of Raphael to Ma. Nicolasa Delgado on 8 Feb 1796 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. He was 22, so his birth was about 1776, 2 years before films for this area are available.
I may have some leads for more family members. Rafael (spelling now changes in records) and Nicolaza have a son, Jose Leandro Mora Delgado and he is baptized on 12 Mar 1797. The Padrinos (Godparents)are: Antonio de la
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Thanks to the addition of the Jalisco films and more indexing, I was able to break through my brick wall!I was able to piece everything together and found that Pedro and Manuel were brothers. With that break, I have been able to continue backward. Once again, I find that I share family members with Daniel. There is so much information that once I get my source citations entered, I will repost. The most helpful hint that I can give to other researchers is if you find information that you REALLY think is important but you have yet to find the documentation, start another tree until the pieces come together. In the beginning, I put everything together thinking that I would remember what was sourced and what was not. WRONG. I now have a sourced tree and a working tree and it's so much easier.
Sherri Mora
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Great Idea!!
Let's all contribute our 'Brick Walls'
Phyls Esparza
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "brick walls"
> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept, except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
>
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it?
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Another of my "brick walls"; as my primo, Arturo Ramos, once stated to me 2 years ago, "Welcome to my world!".
I hope this clarifies my original post!
I need help on who Antonio Lopez and Michaela de Robles parents were.
Outline Descendant Report for Antto. Lopez
..... 1 Antonio Lopez b: Abt. 1700
..... + Michaela de Robles b: Abt. 1700
........... 2 Juana Maria Manuela Lopez b: Abt. 1728
........... + Bartholome de Leon b: Sep 1728 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, m: 17 Jul 1747 in San
Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
................. 3 Joseph de Leon b: Feb 1748 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
................. 3 Faustina Francisca de Leon b: 1749
................. 3 Petra Maria de Leon b: May 1750 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
................. 3 Margarita Gertrudis de Leon b: 1755
................. + Bernardo Anto. Medeles b: Abt. 1752, m: 21 Jun 1775 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
................. 3 Jose Manuel Chrisogono de Leon b: Abt. 1756
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MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE YET:
Francisco de la Cruz is my 7th great grandfather and his son Manuel (a mestizo)is the "first" DE LEON and Josepa de Escobedo ( an Espanola), great grandaughter of Francisco de Escobedo, founder of Monte Escobedo in Zacatecas. I need to know Francisco de la Cruz and Catalina de Garibai's parents.
Outline Descendant Report for Francisco de la Cruz
..... 1 Francisco de la Cruz b: Abt. 1650, d:
..... + Catalina de Garibai b: Abt. 1650, d: Bef. 1753
........... 2 Manuel de Leon b: Abt. 1671
........... + Josepha de Escovedo b: Abt. 1671, m: 19 Feb 1692 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,
Zacatecas Mexico, d: Bef. 1753
................. 3 Ygnacia de Leon b: Abt. 1702 in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Mexico, d: Bef. 1768
................. + Cristobal Valenzuela b: Abt. 1700 in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Mexico, m: 12 Feb 1722 in
San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
................. 3 Maria de la Cruz de Leon b: Abt. 1711
................. + Cristobal Lozano b: Abt. 1711, m
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Another one: I need help on finding parents for Pedro and Maria.
Outline Descendant Report for Pedro Montoya
..... 1 Pedro Montoya b: Abt. 1790
..... + Maria Magdalena Ayala b: Abt. 1790, m: 14 Aug 1810 in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico
........... 2 Rosalia Montoya b: Abt. 1816
........... + Josse Catarino Covarrubias b: 01 Dec 1816 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, m: 21 Jan
1836 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
........... 2 Ma. de la Consepcion Montoya b: 01 Jan 1818 in Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico
........... 2 Ma. Leandra Montoya b: 03 Mar 1822 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
........... 2 Jose Concepcion de la Santisima Montoya b: 12 Dec 1823 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
Jose Carlos de Leon
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I'm going to add/update other "brick walls" to this note.
I need help on finding Eugenio, Cleta, and Micaela's parents: It's possible that Cleta and Micaela were sisters because when a person was widowed, it was a common practice to marry a sibling of the deceased spouse. In this way, family real estate/ fortunes were kept uncontested.
Outline Descendant Report for Eugenio Carlos
..... 1 Eugenio Carlos b: Abt. 1760 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
..... + Cleta Garcia b: Abt. 1770 in District Of Jerez Zacatecas Mexico
........... 2 Jose Jesus Carlos b: Abt. 1790 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
........... + Matiana Rafaela (Maria) Alcala b: 21 Sep 1798 in Cienega De Arriva, Jerez Zacatecas
Mexico
........... 2 Pedro Carlos b: Abt. 1785 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
........... + Juana Maria Banuelos b: Abt. 1788 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
..... + Micaela Garcia b: Abt. 1790 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
........... 2 Estevan Carlos b
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I think it is a great idea.
About 15 years ago a had a brick wall on my gutierrez line. I stopped working on it to help a friend with his gemnealogy. After I helped him with his I realized that the diego gutierrez I had helped him with was the same miguel gutierrez that I had been looking for and that his name was diego Miguel Gutierrez. Diego miguel had 2 marriages and I descended from one and he from the other. It was only by helping him out that I found the line that I had been looking for.
Count me in.
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At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick
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This is a wonderful Idea!!!!
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> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010,
> they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it.
> The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick
> wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose
> his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept,
> except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same
> leaf.
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions
> from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing
> our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated
> as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that
> they could tackle and help break
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Brick Walls