anyone in the group have this haplogroup? If so there is a gentleman
that has some info to share. Let me know.
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
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Looks like I still have a lot to learn. If by haplogroup you mean, the http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy), yes I have it.
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:09:59 -0400
> From: makas@nc.rr.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] E1b1b1 haplogroup
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>
> anyone in the group have this haplogroup? If so there is a gentleman
> that has some info to share. Let me know.
>
> joseph
>
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>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
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Hi Joseph, I am E-V13 \ E1b1b1a2 the "Balkan" marker.
Regards,
Robert Gonzalez~
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The E haplogroup, like all groups have various sub clades.V22 and V12 being prevelant among people of Jewish decent, E-M81 is called the "Berber Marker" as it is found in overwhelming numbers among those peoples. My marker, V13, dubbed the "Balkan"marker is found in high numbers among Bulgarians,Greeks,Serbs,Romanians and Hungarians,but at the highest numbers in the Albanian community.
Some other notables carrying the V13 marker are former President Lyndon Johnson and George Stepahaopolis.
While family members of Adolf Hitler have tested positive for E, his haplogroup has not been determined, if it has, it has not been made public. If it was found to be V12 or V22, that would point to Jewish ancestory. It is is found to be V13, this could point to decent from a Balkan soldier in Roman service, there are numerous German V13's. Or it could have found it's way from the Balkans to Germany via the Danube. There are V13 hot spots aong the Danube as well as the Black Sea coast into the
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There is a high probability that hitler descends from the rockefeller family. A member of his ancestry became pregnant while working for the family as a maid. She was sent packing when it was discovered that she was pregnant. Her duties involved being isolated from the community so she was made pregnant by a rockefeller or another staff member. But she was also isolated for the most part from other staff. From the info collected it was a very high probadility that it was a rockefeller. Hitler kept this info hidden
R A Ricci
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The E haplogroup, like all groups have various sub clades.V22 and V12 being prevelant among people of Jewish decent, E-M81 is called the "Berber Marker" as it is
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Gossip from Nuestros Ranchos? rockeller?
Facts are Facts
During the Inquisition Jews were forced to leave Europe on slave ships to the
Americas. They hopped on as doctors for the slaves or slave owners or
as negotiators. Once that slaves were freed in Mexico they had to stop the slave
trade or be incarcerated. It was easier to hide in the hills and mountains of
jalisco then join Napoleon's army to fight for "pro slavery." They continued
underground .
Yes the semetic v13 marker is in most people because our world is mixed. Even
our Native Americans are mixed. Olmec's have the V13 marker........
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There is a high probability that hitler descends from the rockefeller family. A
member of his ancestry became pregnant while working for the family as a maid.
She was
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Boy, I just don't where to begin in reponse to those last two posts. This sort of things rears it's head everytime the subject of genetics and DNA is brought up. First of all, there is no such thing as a "Jewish Haplogroup" there are "sub clades" or sub groups of each larger haplogroup that are more prevelant among certain ethnic groups.
The only sub clade that can be used to identify members of the Jewish community is the so called "Cohen Marker" J1c3\J-P58.
While there is a good amount of V12 or V22 in the Jewish community, this does not make it a "Jewish" marker any more than R1a, which is also found among people of the Jewish faith.
What needs to be understood here is that Judism is an ideology shared not only by Semetic peoples, but peoples of other genetic backgrounds. It is akin to saying there is a "Catholic" or "Mormon" marker than one could use to determine spiritual affiliation.
E-V13 is very low in the Jewish community, it is also very rare in the middle east and
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Ruth, those comments were not directed at you, I'm sorry if you thought so.
They were rather directed at the jumbled post regarding Hitler's ancestry. There is just so much that is wrong with that post I can't even begin to explain. Actually, I don't know what makes it relevant.
I understand we are discussing a Haplogroup that he is associated with, but number one , his sub clade has yet to be determined and number two, interesting as it may be, it has little to do with any of us here.
Regards,
Robert~
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Exactly,that was my point.
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ruth M \ E haplogroup
Ruth, those comments were not directed at you, I'm sorry if you thought so.
They were rather directed at the jumbled post regarding Hitler's ancestry. There
is just so much that is wrong with that post I can't even begin to explain.
Actually, I don't know what makes it relevant.
I understand we are discussing a Haplogroup that he is associated with, but
number one , his sub clade has yet to be determined and number two, interesting
as it may be, it has little to do with any of us here.
Regards,
Robert~
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I am not sure which are your sources, but it is false that the Inquisition sent Jews to the Americas on slave ships. On the contrary, migration to Americas was subject to Blood Purity Laws (pureza de la sangre), which restricted the passage to Catholics (at least three generations back). As such, jewish and moorish converts were not eligible to travel to the domains of the Spanish crown. My guess is that the inquisition wanted to prevent non-catholics colonies to be established in the huge expanse of the New World. However, regardless of the law, 'conversos' did arrive to the Americas and played a central role in the colonization and conquest of New Mexico, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila, some with Portuguese roots. Alberto Canto, founder of Saltillo and Diego de Montemayor founder of Monterrey, both my direct ancestors were jewish converts, and so was Oñate. How did these and many other Jews manage to come to New Spain? Bribery, special permision form the King, and other means may have play
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I am sorry, but I strongly disagree with many things that have been written in this forum. It worries me that this becomes a mean to reproduce and spread unsubstained information and myths regarding geneaology and family history. I do not mean this personally to anyone, but I have to say this because it is becoming more and more common in this forum.
In the first place, we must understand that genetic maps only describe the place of origin of the ethnic groups that compose our blood, and not the cultural, religious or social origins. Not by having a genetic imprint from the Balcans, does it mean that those people were jews. It's like that, there is a chance because the balcans were full of jews (in the latest centuries and not the founding ones), but that doesn't mean that every balcanic human being is a jew. Anyway, I don't know much about genetic mapping, and I might be wrong.
The second and most frightening of statements was that of the supposed origins of our northern city
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My statement was intended to refute that Jewish from Spain were sent to the Americas in slave vessels. Now regarding the converso origin of Diego de Montemayor, some people argue in favor, and others against. I agree, it not productive to center a point not verifiable with documentation. Now regarding facts, some of the statements circulating around Don Luis de la Cueva y Carvajal are false. Don Luis was NEVER charged, or, found guilty of judaism by the inquisition. That is an invention of Don Vicente Riva Palacios in "Mexico a Traves de los Siglos". Regarding the connection of Canto y Kent, I would be extremely interested in any document that proves that such connection is not a mythical attempt to connect to royalty. Every person that I've contacted in regard to this claim, fails to provide the original documentation supporting such lineage. Do you have such documentation?
Jaime
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Estimado Sr. Daniel Delfín,
Le escribo en referencia a su mensaje sobre la familia de Alberto del Canto. Como Ud. dice, ¡disculpe mi rudeza y no sé ni por dónde empezar! Si Ud. es escéptico de lo que algunos afirman creo que yo le gano.
Empiezo por comentarle que no soy historiador sino químico, pero tengo más de 10 años de dedicarme a la investigación científica en diversas universidades de México y EEUU. Algo que he aprendido es que no hay que creer a ciegas nada de lo que otra gente diga, sin importar quién lo haya dicho ni dónde lo haya publicado. Los científicos sabemos que cuando publicamos los resultados de nuestra investigación lo ponemos bajo el escrutinio de la comunidad, y el día de mañana otros investigadores podrán corroborar o desmentir lo que afirmamos, y de esto no estamos exentos ni el Dr. Sergio Corona, ni el arzobispo de Constantinopla, ni yo (que hasta en mi tesis doctoral y artículos ya publicados en revistas indizadas he encontrado errores).
Menciona Ud. que
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Estimado Sr. Navarro,
Reconozco que he tenido que esperar algunos días para digerir su comentario. No puedo evitar darme cuenta a través de sus palabras la gran pasión que lo mueve por la genealogía, pero a la ves, como buen científico, por la certeza. No se si usted me recuerde, pero no es la primera vez que nos escribimos. Hace algún tiempo yo me puse en contacto con usted para conseguir información acerca de Marcos Hernández Montalvo, la cual usted tan amablemente me proporcionó. Rememoro con mucha estima su buena disposición y cordialidad y recuerdo que en aquella ocasión usted firmaba sus respuestas como "tu primo". Quizás en esa ocasión no tuve la oportunidad de conocer su lado más pasional, que en este último comentario aprecio con claridad. No lo digo a modo de juicio Sr. Navarro, me siento muy identificado con esa pasión.
En mi caso, la pasión que tengo por la genealogía no es ni por motivos religiosos, ni por una búsqueda insaciable de la verdad, ni por fundamentar mi
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Estimado Sr. Delfín,
Muchas gracias por sus comentarios. Me he comunicado por correo con tantos genealogistas a lo largo de los años y se familiariza uno con tantos otros nombres en los foros que luego es difícil saber con quíen ya tuvo uno correspondencia y sobre qué. Y le escribí al foro porque sí me hicieron saltar de mi asiento algunos de los comentarios sobre Canto y los Kent y quería hacer pública mi posición al respecto, como Ud. hizo lo propio en cuanto a lo de los haplogrupos y los supuestos orígenes criptojudíos de los primeros pobladores europeos del noreste. Yo comparto su opinión pero ya a veces uno escoge sus batallas y mejor no se mete en discusiones interminables.
Yo pienso que los Canto al igual que muchas familias se ganaron la nobleza como tantas otras de la época, prestando servicios de armas al rey en turno y recibiendo a cambio los blasones correspondientes, no necesitaban de los Kent.
Respondo esta vez en el foro y no por correo personal porque quisiera
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An intiguing new take on the theory which postulates that Alberto del Canto (founder of Saltillo, d. ca. 1611) and the Canto family form the Portuguese Azores Islands descend from John of Kent. According to this blogpost, this family could instead descend from Sir John Chandos, Viscount of Saint-Sauveur in the Cotentin, Constable of Aquitaine, Seneschal of Poitou, KG (died 31 December 1369):
http://familiacantomedievalnfpmjcfg-en.blogspot.mx/2011/07/consideratio…
Still just a theory yet to be proven with documents, but I'll have to say it is a very interesting one.
Victoriano Navarro
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Jaime Rendon Hernandez
Daniel,
You make a reference to Marcos Hernandez Montalvo. Was he born in Monclova Coahuila circa 1650? I see a Marcos Hernandez as a witness to many marriages in late 1690 in Monclova. However, his name is only entered as Marcos Hernandez. Many of these marriages involved military personnel!!
Thank you,
Jaime Rendon Hernandez
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