I just got my MtDNA results from FamilyTreeDNA.
I am haplogroup C, which supposedly "is found in eastern Eurasia and throughout the Americas. This haplogroup was present in the populations that initially colonized the pre-Columbian Americas, and dates to at least 40,000 years ago. Future work will resolve the issue of how many distinct colonization events there were in the original peopling of the Americas, and the role of individuals bearing haplogroup C." (Description used without written permission).
Eastern Eurasia. No wonder people from there mistake me for Filipino or Thai. This happens frequently. I do have an Asian cast to my eyes.
They also sent a map showing the migration of haplogroup C from eastern Africa across Asia, over the Bering Straight, down Alaska and Canada, and then to North, Central and South America.
Maybe when I go to Arizona, and they ask for my papers, I can show them this to prove I didn't hop the fence yesterday, and ask them to show me theirs. Forty thousand years! I guess I am as "American" as anybody can get. I knew I was Native American--all I have to do is look in the mirror---and my mother's people-- the Piro-Manso-Tewa- have been in some pueblos in New Mexico that have been continually occupied for over a thousand years, but they have really been there 40,000 years? How do they figure that? Wow!
They also sent a graph of "HVR1 Differences from rCRS" (mutations?): 1609C, 16176T, 1628T, 1629C, 16325C, 16327T, and 16519C. I also clicked on "Show All Positions" and I got a very long string of the same thing, but the letters included were A, T, C, and G. Are those haplogroups? What are they?
I am not a total dummy, but this DNA stuff has me in a tizzy. What are mutations? What are the differences? Should I care? I tried looking at their tutorials, but I ended up feeling like an imbecile, not understanding a thing. Their website also is very difficult to maneuver. I couldn't find my results until I clicked on dozens of titles.
They also sent a list of "matches". Some have Anglo surnames, but their "most distant known female ancestor" are all from New Mexico. The surnames of these ancestors are not in my lines, but they are all common to New Mexico. I guess that just means that no one with my particular surnames submitted their MtDNA.
Thank you in advance for any help in understanding this,
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
>> Anyway my too long of point is I don't think it matters where you go you just need to be aware that what comes back may look surprising so you may need to do some additional research to make sense of it.
Applause!!!
Very well said. Our story was not inspired by DNA results, but rather the appearance of a Mongolian birthmark on our first-born son. Both my husband and I were doing some head scratching. Our families were all speculating about the Mongolian immigration, indigenous lineage, etc. Research has now shown us that my husband's great grandfather immigrated to Mexico from China. Now I look forward to some fun when we finally get our DNA testing done.
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just wanted to share our head scratching moment too when we got back my Mothers paternal Gutierrez line that I had researched back to Michoacan in abt 1660.. the DNA said haplogroup N.. Siberia, Finland and Russia.. then I found the the Sami tribe in Finland has exfoliation glaucoma that is a genetic condition passed through families.. in my maternal like we almost all have exfoliation glaucoma.. could be just a co incidence but was interesting. I also got an e-mail from a person in the states who said her family paternal line had immegrated to the States from Finland in 1850.. we were a genetic match! we both had to laugh.. what else can you do! I did forget to ask if they have exfoliation glaucoma too.. oh well..
Linda in B.C.
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>> Anyway my too long of point is I don't think it matters where
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My sister told me that she had a couple of teeth that were scooped shape in
the back, and that she had read this indicated Mongolian roots. Has anyone
heard of this?
I myself have two scooped shape teeth. One on each side of the front teeth.
What was the Mongolian birth mark?
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>> Anyway my too long of point is I don't think it matters where you go you
just need to be aware that what comes back may look surprising so you may
need to do some additional research to make sense of it.
Applause!!!
Very well said. Our story was not inspired by DNA results, but rather the
appearance of a Mongolian birthmark on our first-born son. Both my husband
and I were doing some head scratching. Our families were all
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Emilie,
It is interesting to see you also got Haplogroup C. I notice not many members here have that MtDNA Haplogroup.
I also have Haplogroup C, and I noticed many in the same Haplogroup do have their ancestral origins in New Mexico.
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Hello Emilie,
The colonization of the Americas happened about close to 15,000-18,000
years ago and there were 15 founding mtDNA lineages according to the two
following articles.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111020145054.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100628170926.htm
Native American Y-DNA is also an interesting subject. Hopefully more
studies will be realized with those groups in the coming years. In the
following page they compare Sioux, Chippewa, Pima, Tarahumara, Nahua, and
Otomí, and Qechua speakers.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/05/y-chromosome-diversity-in-native.h…
Your mtDNA haplogroup started 40,000 years ago and they determine that by a
calculation of mutation rates. Your ancestor that had that first mutation
lived in Asia and her descendants didn't cross the Bering Strait until
15,000-18,000 years ago. A mutation is the sudden change in genes or
chromosomes between an organism or being and an offspring. This is what
caused
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Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
Hi, I received my results last year and I was Haplogroup A, but on last month I received the results of family finder and the results were:
57.04% Europe Western Europe (French, Spanish)
29.62% Central American Native American (Mayan)
8.25 % Midle East Mozabite, Palestinian, Jewish,Bedouin
5.09 % East Asia (Siberian) Yakut
My Y DNA is R1b western europe.
With family finder I check that a part of native american with Mtdna haplogropu A came from Siberia as you can see. Family finder put mayan for all native american of Mexico, because until now they do not have for huichol, azteca, caxcan, olmeca, seri, tarahumara, etc dna.
My matches are just two persons one from Mexico and one from New Mexico.
My family came from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas
My maternal lineage : Juana de Jesus ab 1720 Tlaltenango
My paternal lineage : Manuel Sanchez Castellanos ab 1559 Sevilla, Spain
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Armando,
Thanks for your clear explanation of DNA for me. I need someone that can come down to my level of understanding. When it comes to math, science, etc. I am like a not-so-smart 2nd grader.
I can see that I misunderstood the time that Haplogroup has been in the Americas. I kind of thought that was unusual, since mostly I have heard that Native Americans populated the Americas 10,000 years ago only.
I have a question still about the mutations. The A, T. C. and G, are those only for my haplogroup C or does everyone have those letters? Also does haplogroup C mean that my chemical base is cytocine---is that how they came up with the letters for the various haplogroups, the chemical bases?
Yes, you are right about people hesitating to provide their DNA for research--the fact that the science of it and terminology seem daunting. That was my reason---I couldn't understand "subclades" etc when people on Nuestros Ranchos started talking about it. In fact, had I not joined
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Everybody has A, T. C. and G. They are the nucleobases of DNA of all living
things. The letter assigned to each haplogroup has no relation to the
nucleobases. The letters for the haplogroups were assigned as they first
identified the haplogroups, most likely in alphabetical order.
In order to find out more about your DNA you can do a Family Finder test
like the one Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez kindly published yesterday.
However, as you can see Western Europeans are clumped together as one
group. There is no distinction between region so the Basque would be
grouped into that one. The Middle Easterners are grouped together and so
on. So you will only get generalized results and not results as specific as
Y-DNA can be. For example, my subgroup or subclade within the R1b
haplogroup has it's highest frequency in Northeast Spain and Southwest
France and first came about 4,200 years ago. The Basque Country is in
Northeast Spain which is where my great-grandfather was from and since his
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