I have my 9th great grandmother, Lorenza Tescareno born about 1685 and married to Nicolas Gomes. Their daughters are Marina, Antonia, Maria de los Dolores and Josepha born in Pinos, Zacatecas in the early 1700's. If anyone has iinfo on this line I would greatly appreciate any help.
Your 9th great-grandmother María Lorenza Tiscareño de Huerta was baptized 31 Aug 1683 at Parroquia de la Asunción in Aguascalientes. She was 15 days old when baptized, and thus born on 16 Aug 1683. Lorenza was the daughter of Francisco Tiscareño, mestizo, and María González de Huerta, also mestiza. Her father Francisco Tiscareño was the natural son of Capt. Juan Tiscareño with an unmarried woman (name unknown), probably a local indian because Francisco was said to be a mestizo. Francisco was born out of wedlock while Juan Tiscareño was still single, before he married Isabel Romo de Vivar. This is explained in the following excerpt from Juan Tiscareño's final will and testament:
"iten declaro para el descargo de mi conciencia que antes del Primero matrimonio tube un hijo natural llamado Francisco Tiscareño hijo de mujer soltera i libre para contraer matrimonio sin impedimentos declarolo asi para que conste i en esta conformidad mando se le de del remaniente del quinto de mis
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Carolyn Gomez Duran
Thank you for the information!
I have Marina baptized August 4, 1707 and married Oct. 6, 1721 to Joseph Francisco Sanches Mejorada. FHL Marriage source 1096163/120 Baptism source 1095294/
Antonia was baptized December 4, 1709 and married Luis Sanches Mejorada February 4, 1722 all in Pinos, Zacatecas. FHL Baptism source number 1095294/193. Padrino Francisco Sanches
Carolyn
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Carolyn Gomez Duran
Bill,
Where do I find the records for the info? I did a search on FamilySearch but came up empty!
Carolyn
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Carolyn,
Apparently this record was not indexed. You can see the actual record of Lorenza's baptism at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12047-91323-38?cc=1502404&…
It reads as follows:
Al margen: "Lorenza espla."
"En la Villa de Aguascalientes en treinta i un dias del mes de Agosto año de mill seis-
cientos i ochenta i tres, en la Parroquial baptise i puse los santos olios a Lorenza espa-
ñola de hedad de quinse dias hija legitima de Franco. de Tiscareño y de Maria de
Huerta vecinos de esta Jurisdicion, fueron sus Padrinos Andres Muños y Loren-
sa Ruiz de Esparsa, les adverti la obligacion i cognacion espiritual i lo firme =
D. Manuel Altamirano de Castilla"
Lorenza had two brothers, Joseph and Juan, and a sister, Juana Tiscareño de Huerta.
Let me know if you need additional information.
BILL FIGUEROA
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Carolyn Gomez Duran
After posting my last request I found records for Lorenza and Joseph. I now have a question! On Joseph's record Aguascalientes 1681 source number 299422/136, it states "Guardian AP Francisco Cristoval Romo". Is that a grandparent?
Thanks for your help!
Carolyn
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Carolyn,
The record actually says "en caso de necesidad echo el Agua el P Guardian frai Christoval Romo" which means that the child was in danger of dying so the priest-on-watch Fray Cristobal Romo baptised him ("le echó el agua bendita"). What you thought read "AP Guardian" actually reads "el P. Guardian" meaning "el Padre Guardián" .
BILL FIGUEROA
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Carolyn Gomez Duran
After posting my last request I found records for Lorenza and Joseph. I now have a question! On Joseph's record Aguascalientes 1681 source number 299422/136, it states "Guardian AP Francisco Cristoval Romo". Is that a grandparent?
Thanks for your help!
Carolyn
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Carolyn Gomez Duran
I will get better at reading the records. I hope he made it!!
Muchisimas gracias!!
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Hello Carolyn & Bill,
I also have Nicolas Gomez and Lorenza Tiscareno in my line. Thank you so much for clearing this up, I've been stuck on this couple for weeks, and with a case like Francisco's, I may never have figured it out. In the documents of her children & grandchildren, Lorenza is "espanola," as well as in her baptismal record; one would assume her parents were also "espanoles," but I guess it didn't always apply (in another of my lines, I discovered an ancestor was mulato libre, married to an india, which surprised me, since all of their grandchildren were "espanoles").
I have some additional notes regarding this couple. As mentioned:
Marina Gomez married Jose Francisco Sanchez in 1721; Jose Francisco was son of Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada and Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor; Francisco was hijo natural of Cristobal Sanchez and Francisca Narbais (his full brother, Jose Antonio, also hijo natural, married Gregoria Mendes de Sotomayor in 1720, Pinos). https://familysearch
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Hello Carolyn,
I think I saw in another thread you're descended from Mariana de los Dolores Gaitan, daughter of Joaquin Gaitan and Maria Josefa Galvan? Joaquin Gaitan & Maria Josefa Galvan are my g4s (my g3 is Mariana's brother, Jose Thomas), and I recently located a dispensation for Mariana's marriage to her primo tercero Jose Manuel Gaitan: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-41159-67?cc=1874591&wc…
This is lovely, because it features family trees for both the Gaitan and Gomez lines, with Miguel Gaitan and Nicolas Gomez as the respective troncos. Unfortunately, it reveals nothing new regarding these lines for me, but it has some interesting details: Jose Manuel and Mariana ran off, Maria Josefa shows up at Jose German's house looking for her daughter, a chase ensues... good stuff! Some of the Gaitan's and Sanchez's were witnesses, and there are signatures (by those who could write). I found 3 more dispensations for descendants of these same couples
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Here are dispensations/informaciones for numerous couples descending from the daughters of Nicolas Gomez & Lorenza Tiscareno, as well as associated families (Gaitan-Arias de Bedoya, Sanchez de la Mejorada, Mendez; Sierra de Pinos branches). Many have Gomez family trees with Nicolas Gomez as the tronco.
Jose Manuel Gaytan & Mariana Gaytan img0596 (Gaytan & Gomez fam trees img0600)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-41159-67?cc=1874591&wc…
Jose Cayetano Sanchez & Maria Loreta Gaytan img1891 (Gomez tree)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-22903-15?cc=1874591&wc…
Jose Maria Gaitan & Manuela Mendez img0392 (Gomez tree, pregnancy)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-81734-53?cc=1874591&wc…
Aniceto Sanchez & Maria Encarnacion Aranda img106 (Nicolas Gomez tree img111)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18572-17607-49?cc=1874591&wc…
Ignacio Sanchez & Maria Josefa
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I found some newly indexed records for children of Blas Gomez and Maria de Avila, so I'm leaning toward the Avila surname as opposed to de Silva.
I still haven't found any records connecting Nicolas Gomez to this couple, any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! MDH
Maria Gomez Avila, m. Francisco Nieto Telles, 30 Jan 1704, in Pinos, Zacatecas. He was the son of Diego Nieto Telles and Francisca de Zardinete.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-NF3
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-29445-25?cc=1804458&wc…
Catalina Gomez Avila, m. Joseph Falcon de la Garza, 10 Fec 1706 in Pinos, Zacatecas. He was the son of Phelipe de la Garza and Phelipa de Santiago.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-64G
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-29107-90?cc=1804458&wc…
Juan Antonio Gomez, m. Nicolasa Mendez on 1 Dec 1723, in Pinos, Zacatecas. She was the daughter of Manuel Mendez de Sotomayor and Maria Rosa de Infante
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I came upon this while searching for another ancestor's burial record: Lorenza Tiscareno was buried 28 Jul 1753 in Pinos. She died at age 69, cause doesn't seem to be given. She did leave a testamento. Nicolas appears to have survived her, it also appears that they were the owners of the Santa Rita:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15243-42472-65?cc=1804458&wc…
Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo
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Miguel Gaitan and Nicolas Gomez were 2nd cousins, according to this IM for their grandchildren, Juan Antonio Gaitan con Maria Manuela Muñoz (tree on img574:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15263-11463-61?cc=1804458&wc…
They were grandsons of two brothers: Gonzalo and Juan Gomez de las Ruelas:
Gonzalo Gomez de las Ruelas-g1-Juan Gomez de las Ruelas
Maria Gomez de las Ruelas-g2-Blas Gomez de las Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan-g3-Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor
Fco Xavier Gaitan-g4-Ma Dolores Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan-g5-Manuela Muñoz
Nicolas Gomez is a testigo, he gives his age as 66 (b. 1682) and was born in Ciudad de Zacatecas. He signs his name “Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor.”
In Pinos, Zacatecas, “Ruelas” and “Sotomayor” are used by descendants of Andres Martin Camacho and Maria de Sotomayor/Ruelas; is there a link?
Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo
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Lorenza Tiscareno