Armando,
I just went through the link you cited. Its helpful . I better get going getting test for my parents as they are both only children.
Thank you,
Gilbert Arguelles
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> 1. Re: $99 DNA test (Gilbert Arguelles)
> 2. Re: $99 DNA test (Armando)
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>I ordered the Comprehensive Genome test and joined the project that was
>mentioned on the list.
>
>Would I be able to verify that any connection to you or Gloria through
>the
>test?
>
>Since both my parents are still living (86 & 90 years old) would it be
>a
>clearer picture overall if I tested them too with the $99 tests?
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>Message: 2
>Hello Gilbert, in order to know if you, Joseph, and Gloria having
>autosomal
>markers in common they would also have to get a Family Finder test.
>Even if
>they get the test there is no guarantee they are going to show as
>matches
>even if they truly are related to you. Not all markers are passed down
>from
>all of your ancestors. If they do show as matches then they are
>possibly
>related to you. Having other people with some of the ancestors showing
>up
>as matches on the same segment of a specific chromosome will help raise
>the
>likelihood being related through the line that is in common in all of
>you/
>
>See the following article for an example.
>
>http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/
>
>Having your parents test could help prove which side of the family your
>matches are related to you. If you, one parent and a third person all
>have
>markers in common in a certain segment of a certain chromosome then it
>is
>that side of the family that you are likely related to the third
>person.
>It's a process of elimination with the help of known relatives and
>others
>with shared trees and all getting the Family Finder test that help show
>an
>extreme likelihood of being related.
>
>Saludos,
>Armando
>
>> Would I be able to verify that any connection to you or Gloria
>through the
>> test?
>>
>> Since both my parents are still living (86 & 90 years old) would it
>be a
>> clearer picture overall if I tested them too with the $99 tests?
Thank you Armando for keeping NR members informed about DNA testing and options.
I wanted to add that if any of you tested with 23andMe's V3 chip or the NEW Autosomal test from Ancestry.com, you can import the autosomal part of your results to Family Tree DNA for $69 US and get more matches. Please remember that FTDNA has one of the largest DNA databases and you have the likelihood to yield more results when you upload your third-party results.
Read more about it here. https://www.familytreedna.com/landing/atdna-landing.aspx
Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
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Hello Claudia,
Your message did not get sent out by the NR email system. In the interest
of getting your message out in an email I am sending this out.
I would like to add that once they get their autosomal test transferred to
FamilyTreeDNA from Ancestry.com or 23andme they can join the Los Altos de
Jalisco DNA project at the following page -
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=losaltosdeja…
The goal is 1,000 participants. They are at 130 members and just a week or
two ago they were only at 30 members. The more members the better.
Also, a reminder to other NR members - Ancestry.com does not have a
chromosome browser and neither of them have DNA projects.
Saludos,
Armando
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Enviado por Claudia_Reynoso el Mié, 2013-07-10 17:26.
Thank you Armando for keeping NR members informed about DNA testing and
options.
I wanted to add that if any of you tested with 23andMe's V3 chip or the NEW
Autosomal
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Hi guys,
I have two family finder results that have been uploaded to the the Los
Altos de
Jalisco DNA project . I'm excited to see how many of us can join this
project. I'm not sure how many of you remember, but Rick Rodriguez, a
Nuestros Ranchos member, is one of the administrators for this project. He
was also the main organizer for the 1st Conferencia de Genealogia e
Historia de Los Altos in Valle de Guadalupe back in 2008.
I'm currently having a few of my other lines being tested right now and I
might purchase the family finder product for my family members being tested
since its on sale for $99!
Saludos,
Juan Aguayo
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Armando wrote:
> Hello Claudia,
>
> Your message did not get sent out by the NR email system. In the interest
> of getting your message out in an email I am sending this out.
>
> I would like to add that once they get their autosomal test transferred to
> FamilyTreeDNA from Ancestry.com or 23andme they can join the Los Altos de
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Hello Juan,
I recommend that you do get the Family Finder test you're contemplating on
getting for your family members. Siblings only carry 50% of each others
DNA. We also only have half of the chromosomes from one parent and half
from the other. What's worse is that the 50% you get from a parent isn't
exactly 25% of one grandparent and 25% of the other grandparent. This is
due to recombination. The more relatives that test, both close and distant
the more autosomal information you will have about your ancestors and you
will be able to find more relatives if that also interests you.
Saludos,
Armando
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I have two family finder results that have been uploaded to the the Los
> Altos de
> Jalisco DNA project . I'm excited to see how many of us can join this
> project. I'm not sure how many of you remember, but Rick Rodriguez, a
> Nuestros Ranchos member, is one of the administrators for this project. He
> was also the
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Hello Armando,
Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.
From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for known matches/relatives?
It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I refer my questions to...
I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches you will contact first?
Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest block?
I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder Autosomal, but continue to have many questions...you appear to be well versed on this subject and I would truly appreciate your input in explaining how to use the autosomal test results in establishing/linking with unknown relatives...
I have viewed the website that you suggested, but I'm thinking that the comparisons/charts that are featured are
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Hi Patricia,
Thank you for asking. I'd also be interested in reading Armando's informed responses to your questions.
Alice
From: Pat Corbera
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA
Hello Armando,
Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.
From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for known matches/relatives?
It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I refer my questions to...
I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches you will contact first?
Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest block?
I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder Autosomal, but continue to have
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Hi Patricia,
Thank you for asking. I'd also be interested in reading Armando's informed responses to your questions.
Alice
From: Pat Corbera
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA
Hello Armando,
Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.
From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for known matches/relatives?
It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I refer my questions to...
I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches you will contact first?
Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest block?
I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder Autosomal, but continue to have
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Hello Pat,
Yes, the info on the website that I posted is based on known family members
that have taken the autosomal test. Many of us here have well documented
trees and many of us share common ancestors.I think we are a very lucky
group to have been able to document our trees as well as we have been able
to. Once we show matches on our documented lines and identify the
chromosome and region for those lines then we can help others with the
undocumented lines. Sometimes the documentation is there but they don't
know it. We can also help them with that. It's the spirit of helping each
other that started this website and it is the same spirit that needs to
continue for the Family Finder data to be useful.
I have found out that the best way to identify possible relatives is by
going to the Chromosome Browser then clicking on 5 matches then clicking on
Download to Excel (CSV Format) and saving the file but add the number 01 at
the end of the name. Then deselect the 5 matches and click on
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Armando,
Thank you so much for this wonderful explanation. I'm sure that when I follow all the steps that you outlined that I will be rewarded with locating others that share the same interest and desire to learn about their ancestors as well as locating/ linking with unknown cousins...
I will follow your outline and if I find that I'm having problems in understanding and setting up the data forms, I certainly will be back in touch.
I decided to order the FF Autosomal test for my grandson, Nicholas, who has been 37 marker YDNA tested. Nicholas is the biological son of my daughter, so if my thinking is correct, his mtDNA is the same as mine, and that he shares some of my chromosomes.
At this stage I'm not too sure how recombination will reflect in Nicholas' FF test results for my husband, Tino, who is the biological father of Nicholas' mother...
I'm hoping that both Tino and I will appear as matches on Nicholas' test results, and that he will appear on ours... Tino and I have
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Hello Pat,
Nicholas would definitely show up as a match and with 1,000-2,300 cM in
common with you and Tino were he to take the test. The only reason for him
to test is for him to find relatives on his father's side. Any autosomal
DNA that his mother has comes from you and Tino. When I mentioned getting
other relatives to test I inferred siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles,
grandparents, great-aunts, and great-uncles. The only reason descendants
should be tested is for the spouses side of the family when the spouse is
unable to test. If you have ordered the test and no longer think it is
necessary call and cancel it. Use your money towards more testing of
yourself or sponsor a test for someone else.
Regards,
Armando
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:
> Armando,
>
> Thank you so much for this wonderful explanation. I'm sure that when I
> follow all the steps that you outlined that I will be rewarded with
> locating others that share the same interest and desire to
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Hello Armando,
I did order the FF test for Nicholas yesterday...I'm interested in seeing the cMs and the block length...an added plus would be matches from his father's side...
I have researched my son-in-law's (Nicholas' father)paternal ancestry back to the 1600s from Scotland, so it will be very interesting to see his matches...
Does NR have a general fund, in which NR members may make donations of a given $ amount that can be used by individuals for one reason or another can not afford the expense of proceeding with various DNA testing?
Once again, thank you for sharing...
Pat Silva Corbera
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From: "Armando"
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:21:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA
Hello Pat,
Nicholas would definitely show up as a match and with 1,000-2,300 cM in
common with you and Tino were he to take the test. The only reason for him
to test is for him to
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Very well. I wanted to be sure that was your goal and that it wasn't a
misunderstanding.
I have not heard of a general fund for NR and I don't think there is a way
to start one. Joseph Puentes might correct me if I am wrong. The Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project does have a general fund. You. or any other NR
member, could also post that you are willing to pay for someone's test if
they unable to afford it and have them email you so that you could pay for
it and have the test sent to them. This would ensure the donation isn't
misused. Likewise, you could also let Ricardo Rodriguez, admin of Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project, know that you want any funds that you give the
project be used for specific purposes, if so desired.
Regards,
Armando
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:
>
>
> Hello Armando,
>
> I did order the FF test for Nicholas yesterday...I'm interested in seeing
> the cMs and the block length...an added plus would be matches from his
> father's side...
>
> I
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Armando,
Thank you for the added information...
Today I updated Tino's current FF test result matches...it can be accessed by clicking on this link...
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15188.
Tomorrow I'll start the download to Excel of the matches, using your instructions of creating a file of 5 matches, with file name ending with ie. 1 and moving to the next 5, changing the file ending to 2 etc. until all matches have been downloaded to Excel, then copy and paste to the file ending in 1...I'm pretty sure I can do this...if not I will re-read your instructions...
I accessed Family Tree DNA tools, and tried to download the zip file for FF, but it kept timing out after 15 minutes... it then dropped off...I will try it again later this evening...
Once again, many thanks for all your help, and also to Saul Navarro and Juan Aguayo for so freely sharing their research material with me...
Pat Silva Corbera
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From: "Armando"
To: announce
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Hello Armando,
Update Subject: FF matches...
The task of downloading all of the matches that appeared on Tino's FF test results proved to be overwhelming for me...
I decided instead to use the FF Chromosome Browser filter "Distant Relatives."
The filter produced 19 matches, a number that was more workable for me.
Using the Chromosome Browser I proceeded to view each of the 19 names, five at a time, selecting and deselecting, using the "view this data in a table," format looking for cMs that were 5.5 or more...I copied and pasted the individual's name and relationship as well as the line/s information that was over 5.5 cMs to a main listing sheet with headings of Chromosome - Start Location - End Location -cM - matching SNPs ...
I continued to follow the above procedure until all 19 "distant relative" matches were viewed and copied..
I will contact the individuals with the highest cM match and longest block first and continue down the listing until all have been contacted
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Hello Pat,
The list of Speculative matches also has people with more than 5.5 cMs. You
should add them also.
You should also have your matches separated by the chromosome they match
you on. Do this by making separate tabs in the spreadsheet for each
chromosome 1-22. It makes triangulation much easier.
Once you have the matches separated by chromosome then you need to look at
the range. If two people are in a completely different range then they
aren't related to the tester through the same line. If they are in the same
range the likelihood that they are related through the same line is very
great. If you are able to identify three people, counting the tester, that
match in the same range and two people have a well documented tree then the
third person is highly likely to be related through that line.
So then when you are able to correspond with matches you can concentrate on
that chromosome and region as to what you have in common and try and
identify through triangulation which
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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Armando
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:25 PM
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
results to
> FTDNA
>
> Very well. I wanted to be sure that was your goal and that it wasn't a
misunderstanding.
>
> I have not heard of a general fund for NR and I don't think there is a way
to start one.
> Joseph Puentes might correct me if I am wrong.
You are correct. There is no general fund. But if enough people wanted one
it can be arranged.
There are other occasional needs for money but we've gone without needing to
ask for $ for over 10 years now I'd kind of like to keep it that way. Then
again if Arturo tells me that there is a need to update the website and
funds are needed, well that could change the whole picture. For now no
solicitations for money will part of the NR group
Yes if someone wants to pay for a specific persons DNA testing then I would
prefer that it be
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would you suggest those of us who have ancestors from other parts of Jalisco, (Ciudad Guzman and Tamazula) join the los Altos group?
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From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA
Hello Claudia,
Your message did not get sent out by the NR email system. In the interest
of getting your message out in an email I am sending this out.
I would like to add that once they get their autosomal test transferred to
FamilyTreeDNA from Ancestry.com or 23andme they can join the Los Altos de
Jalisco DNA project at the following page -
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=losaltosdeja…
The goal is 1,000 participants. They are at 130 members and just a week or
two ago they were only at 30 members. The more members the better.
Also, a reminder to other NR members - Ancestry.com does
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I should have added that I know these families lines (Gutierrez and Mendez) lived in Michoacán before going to Jalisco mid 1700's.
Linda in B.C.
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From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: "announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA
would you suggest those of us who have ancestors from other parts of Jalisco, (Ciudad Guzman and Tamazula) join the los Altos group?
________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA
Hello Claudia,
Your message did not get sent out by the NR email system. In the interest
of getting your message out in an email I am sending this out.
I would like to add that once they get their autosomal test transferred to
FamilyTreeDNA from Ancestry.com or 23andme they
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Hello Linda,
A few weeks ago the administrator of the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA group had
expressed to me that they were accepting people with ancestry from Jalisco,
Aguascalientes, and Zacatecas. Recently the wording on the description of
the project has changed. However, since a majority of the people in Los
Altos have distant relatives in Jalisco, Aguascalientes, and Zacatecas
those people should be accepted. Their DNA is our DNA and their goal is
1,000 participants. That won't happen if they are too restrictive and they
won't be able to triangulate on autosomal DNA without enough participants.
As far as them having been in Michoacán prior to going to Jalisco. It
shouldn't matter because a lot of our ancestors were elsewhere, including
Michoacán, before going to Jalisco. The important point is that they did go
to Jalisco. I suggest that you request to join the group. It will be their
decision if they want to accept you or not.
Also, their main goals are the Y-DNA and mtDNA results
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Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA