Hola Members, I am trying to find out who the parents of Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno married to Luis Padilla-Davila feb. 01 1730 in La Cienega de Mata ,Jalisco.(Matrimonios La Cienega de Mata- 1667-1757 - Page # 248. The record states Nicolas Diaz and Juana de Isassi are the parents of Fabiana. Now there is a Dispensa year 1803 of Rafael Padilla and Antonia Padilla-Film # 168130-page # 1219 that states a Bernabe Diaz and Maria Martin are the parents of Fabiana . I tend to believe marrage info on Fabiana than the dispensa . Any thoughts .
Thank you
Ronnie
Hello, I'm a direct descendant of Santiago de Pedroza and was wondering if you have any documents related to the birth and death of Santiago de Pedroza. Sadly to say that I've been struggling to find any relevant documents.is the hacienda de San Miguel in Lagos de Moreno?
Look forward to your reply.
Thank you
Esteban Pedroza
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There are no documents for the birth and death of Santiago de Pedroza. The information that ppchuy posted is incorrect. The date of death of 2 Jul 1656 that he posted is actually the date that Nicolás de Pedrosa y Alba married Mariana Ruiz de Anda. See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-24785-62
The hacienda de San Miguel [de la Estancia Grande] is located within the jurisdiction of Lagos de Moreno (formerly Santa María de los Lagos) north of the city and was owned by the Gómez de Portugal family in that time period.
I have not found a single record that ties the Pedroza to the hacienda San Miguel de la Estancia Grande even though I have looked at all of the baptisms, marriages, and dispensas of all of Santiago de Pedroza's children and grandchildren. Everything I have found points to that family having an hacienda in what is now Encarnación de Díaz based on what is found in a book by Mario Gómez Mata and what is found at http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz
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Ronnie,
This is my line. Independently, as historians or researchers we must prefer primary sources, as in documents that were made in the moment of the event. Thus, a marriage record is primary due to the fact that the marriage is occurring before the priest. A dispensa would be considered secondary, though it can be primary if a witness actually knew the ancestors and had information pertaining to the ancestry of an individual. Could you pass the link where I can study this dispensa? I am interested. I have already found numerous dispensas with major errors, others with only some mistakes; for the most part they are very reliable.
I descend from Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno in the following manner, just to mention a couple of generations:
Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Juana de Isasi y Campo (Martin del Campo)
Bernabe Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Maria de Cobos
Maria de las Mercedes Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Pedro Antonio de Medina y Castaneda
Coronel Simon de Medina y Diaz de Tiscareno cc
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Hola Daniel,la dispensa is film # 168130 page/image 1216-1219
Ronnie
> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:53:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno
>
> Ronnie,
>
> This is my line. Independently, as historians or researchers we must prefer primary sources, as in documents that were made in the moment of the event. Thus, a marriage record is primary due to the fact that the marriage is occurring before the priest. A dispensa would be considered secondary, though it can be primary if a witness actually knew the ancestors and had information pertaining to the ancestry of an individual. Could you pass the link where I can study this dispensa? I am interested. I have already found numerous dispensas with major errors, others with only some mistakes; for the most part they are very reliable.
>
> I descend from Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno in the following manner, just to mention a couple of
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The answer is simple. Either the person writing down the ancestry or the
person providing the ancestry was confused and provided the name Bernabé
for the father of Fabiana because the name of the father of Juana Martín
del Campo alias Juana Isassi was Bernabé Martín del Campo e Isassi. The
name for María instead of Juana was also an error because all of the
records that deal with the wife and children of Nicolás Díaz Tiscareño show
her to be Juana and she is never mentioned as María.
For the other records that mention Juana see the following -
Dispensa of second marriage of Nicolás Díaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-38595-97?cc=1874591
1st marriage of Fernando Díaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-24382-17?cc=1874591
2nd marriage of Fernando Díaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33233-97?cc=1502404
Baptism of Bernabé Díaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-54735-19?cc=1874591
Baptism of Joseph Eugenio
https:/
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Hola and thanks a lot of info.
Ronnie
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:51:22 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno
>
> The answer is simple. Either the person writing down the ancestry or the
> person providing the ancestry was confused and provided the name Bernabé
> for the father of Fabiana because the name of the father of Juana Martín
> del Campo alias Juana Isassi was Bernabé Martín del Campo e Isassi. The
> name for María instead of Juana was also an error because all of the
> records that deal with the wife and children of Nicolás Díaz Tiscareño show
> her to be Juana and she is never mentioned as María.
>
> For the other records that mention Juana see the following -
>
> Dispensa of second marriage of Nicolás Díaz
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-38595-97?cc=1874591
>
> 1st marriage of Fernando Díaz
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-24382-17?cc=1874591
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fabiana caso el 1 de febrero 1730 con Luis Padilla en la hacienda de cienega de mata
2. Nicolas Diaz Tiscareño (Jose4, Baltazar3, Baltazar2, Baltazar1) nació el 7 Nov. 1687 en Majada Cienega de mata y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Juana Isasi ( Martin del Campo).
Padre: 4. Jose Diaz Tiscareño nació el 24 Mayo 1663 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico y murió el 19 Sep. 1728 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
Madre: 5. Jacinta Ortega nació el 17 Feb. 1645 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico y murió en 1729 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
3. Juana Isasi ( Martin del Campo) (Jose Bernabe6, Francisco5, Lazaro4, Bartolome3, Juan2, Blas1) murió el 9 Oct. 1730 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Puesto de la Majada.
Padre: 6. Jose Bernabe Martin del Campo nació en 1664 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
Madre: 7. Catalina Pedroza murió el 15 Ago. 1715 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Santa Rosa
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fabiana caso el 1 de febrero 1730 con Luis Padilla en la hacienda de cienega de mata
2. Nicolas Diaz Tiscareño (Jose4, Baltazar3, Baltazar2, Baltazar1) nació el 7 Nov. 1687 en Majada Cienega de mata y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Juana Isasi ( Martin del Campo).
Padre: 4. Jose Diaz Tiscareño nació el 24 Mayo 1663 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico y murió el 19 Sep. 1728 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
Madre: 5. Jacinta Ortega nació el 17 Feb. 1645 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico y murió en 1729 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
3. Juana Isasi ( Martin del Campo) (Jose Bernabe6, Francisco5, Lazaro4, Bartolome3, Juan2, Blas1) murió el 9 Oct. 1730 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Puesto de la Majada.
Padre: 6. Jose Bernabe Martin del Campo nació en 1664 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.
Madre: 7. Catalina Pedroza murió el 15 Ago. 1715 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Santa Rosa
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Hi Ronnie,
Luis de Padilla and Fabiana Díaz de Tiscareño are my 9th Great Grandparents and I have the parents of Luis de Padilla as Francisco Padilla and Ana Muñoz de la Barba and the parents of Fabiana Díaz de Tiscareño as Nicolás Díaz and Juana de Isassi based on this marriage record:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-38985-35?cc=1874591&wc…
I wasn't aware of a conflict with the dispensa. But, I would say that I would definitely go by the actual marriage and not the dispensa, since the children would know their parents names better than descendants 70+ years later.
Christopher de Cuellar
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Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno