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He descubierto algo muy interesante, ¿a lo mejor tendra alguien mas informacion sobre esta linea?
En mis lineas tengo a Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, radicados en Jalostotitlan. Desciendo de su hija Maria Alvarez, casada con Joseph Macias de Ayala en Aguascalientes en 1703.
Segun la genealogia dada en el siguiente blog, Diego Magdaleno es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y de Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I es hijo de Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) y de Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno nacio en Tordesillas en el 1554, hijo de Alonso Mejia y de Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Pasaron a Indias Geronimo e Isabel en el 1583, acompañados por su hija Francisca Mejia Magdaleno y su esposo Juan Salceda Andrade. Vivian en Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apell…
Da la misma genealogia Guillermo Lohmann Villena en su “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=ger…
Se base esta genealogia en la Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre de un nieto de Geronimo Magdaleno, el Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda, hijo de Juan Salceda Andrade y de Francisca Mejia Magdaleno. Se realizo la Prueba en el año 1651 y en España, lejos de Valladolid, Michoacan:
ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe
Tengo dudas sobre esta genealogia. En ni uno de los demas documentos encontrados en los PARES-AGIS, tratando de los Magdaleno en Valladolid durante aquella epoca, sale el apellido compuesto "Mejia Magdaleno"; lo que si sale es "Magdaleno de Mendoza."
Y mas, segun la confirmacion de oficio de Geronimo Magdaleno cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en 1602, dice que su padre es FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, que estaba casado con Elvira de Mendoza:
ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo
Hay mas: al mirar los archivos de FamilySearch en Morelia entre los años 1594-1621, ni sale el nombre de Isabel de Soria como esposa de Geronimo Magdaleno, sino el de Maria Cecilia Patiño (hija del Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Ni salen los apellidos "Escudero" ni "Soria," como era normal dar a por lo menos una hija el apellido maternal para no perderlo.
Entonces, ¿es posible que hay dos Geronimo Magdaleno Regidores de Valladolid, Michoacan, con hijas nombradas Francisca casadas con Juan Salceda? Por lo citado, solo hay uno y es hijo de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza y casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño (tal vez con Isabel de Soria en 1o?), y que la genealogia de los Magdaleno dada en la Prueba de 1651 es falsa o por lo menos falta una generacion; que se equivocaron los testigos o mentieron.
Mira, de la Prueba de 1651, sale el arbol asi:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, ella 1560, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (paso a Indias en 1583, ya casada, ¿cuando su madre tenia 23 años?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (27-30 años en 1651:b. 1621-1624)
Y de mis investigaciones, mis fuentes siendo PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, y "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" por Heriberto Moreno Garcia, parece asi:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian en Valladolid, Mich; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño. En Mexico, 1590-1600 (aunque puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, hacia 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda (b. 1621-1624)
Falta una generacion en la genealogia de la Prueba de 1651, y que no es posible que Juan Salceda y Francisca Magdaleno ya estaban casados en 1583, cuando solo tenia la madre de ella 23 años. Mas, su hijo Nicolas Salceda tenia 16 años cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en el 1658 (b. 1641-2).
Para orientarnos:
Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño bautizaron a:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.
Se ven sus nombres y los de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza con frecuencia en los bautismos y matrimonios en Morelia entre 1597 y 1611, como padrinos o testigos.
Juan Salceda Andrade y Francisca Magdaleno bautizaron a Joseph, 20 May 1620, Morelia.
El Licenciado Joseph Magdaleno de Mendoza era beneficiado del partido de Juchitlan cuando fallecio 15 Jun 1624, en Valladolid, Mich. Era bachiller cuando bautiso a una nina llamada Andrea, 07 Dic 1600, sus padrinos Francisco Magdaleno y Beatriz de Sosa. Por eso lo tengo como hijo de Francisco y de Elvira.
El Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno de Mendoza era beneficiado de Aguacana en Abr 1624 y en May 1625. Fue padrino de Joachin, hijo de padres no concocidos, 19 Feb 1607, su madrina Doña Geronima de Mendoza. Pueden ser hijos los dos de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza, o ella hermana de Elvira.
Busco documentacion (fuente primaria o por lo menos desde Mexico: bautismos, matrimonios, defunciones, IMes, dispensas) sobre ellos y sobre los siguientes:
- Geronimo Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria.
- Diego Magdaleno casado con Lorenza de Ovalle.
- Que Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y Lorenza de Ovalle.
Segun Moreno Garcia en "Haciendas de tierra y agua...," Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza tenia un hermano, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, jinete y hacendado, que tenia dos hijos, sin nombrar a la madre: Juan de Lievana y Diego Magdaleno, los dos clerigos. Cita a "Familias y casa de la vieja Valladolid," por Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga. Tendra un ejemplo alguien?
Gracias antemano,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
I have Diego Magdaleno married to Mariana de Aguirre in my lines.
According to the genealogy given in this blog, Diego Magdaleno is the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I is son of Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) and Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno was born in 1554 in Tordesillas, Castilla, son of Alonso Mejia and Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Geronimo and Isabel passed to Indies in 1583, accompanied by their daughter, Francisca Mejia Magdaleno and her husband Juan Salceda Andrade. They lived in Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apell…
Guillermo Lohmann Villena gives the same genealogy in his “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=ger…
This genealogy is based on the Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre of a grandson of Geronimo Magdaleno, Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia, son of Juan Salceda Andrade and Francisca Magdaleno. The Proof was conducted in Spain in 1651, and not in Valladolid Mich:
ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe
I have doubts about this genealogy; in none of the other documents found at PARES AGIS, regarding the Magdaleno of Valladolid during this time period, is there mention of the compound surname "Mejia Magdaleno; instead, we find "Magdaleno de Mendoza."
And more, on the Confirmacion de Oficio of Geronimo Magdaleno, when he was named Regidor of Valladolid in 1602, it says his father was FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, who was married to Elvira de Mendoza:
ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo
There's more: when looking through the archives of Morelia, Mich, for the years 1594-1621, Isabel de Soria does not appear as the wife of Geronimo Magdaleno, instead, we find Maria Cecilia de Patiño (daughter of Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Nor do the surnames "Escudero" or "Soria" appear in any of the Magdaleno lines in Valladolid, as it was the norm to give at least one heir a lost maternal surname.
Is it possible there were two Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno's, who both had daughters named Francisca married to Juan Salceda Andrade? According to what I've cited, there was only one, and hd was the son of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, and he was married to Maria Cecilia Patiño (although possible with Isabel de Soria in 1o), and that the genealogy given in the Prueba of 1651 is wrong or at least skips a generation: the witnesses were wrong, or they lied.
Look, according to the Prueba of 1651, the tree looks like this:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo, Zamora)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (passed to Indies 1583, already married, when her mother was only 23?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (age 27-30 in 1651:b. 1621-1624)
And from my research, my sources being PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, and "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" by Heriberto Moreno Garcia, it looks like this:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (el, ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patino. En Mexico hacia 1590 (puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, ca 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (age 27-30 in 1651:b. 1621-1624)
The Prueba of 1651 skips a generation, and there's no way Juan Salceda and Francisca Magdaleno were married before 1583, when their son Nicolas Salcedo was only 16 when he was named Regidor in 1658 (b. 1641-2).
To establish a timeline and orient ourselves:
Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño baptized:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.
Their names, along with those of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, are seen frequently in the baptisms and marriages in Morelia between 1597 & 1611, as padrinos or testigos.
Juan Salceda Andrade and Francisca Magdaleno baptized Josepha, 20 May 1620, Morelia.
Licenciado Joseph Magdaleno de Mendoza, was beneficiado of the partido de Juchitlan when he died 15 Jun 1624, in Valladolid. He was a bachiller when he baptized a child named Andrea, 07 Dic 1600, her padrinos Francisco Magdaleno y Beatriz de Sosa. For this reason, I have him as a son of Francisco & Elvira.
Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno de Mendoza was beneficiado de Aguacana in Abr 1624 and May 1625. He was padrino for Joachin, hijo de padres no concocidos, 19 Feb 1607, madrina Doña Geronima de Mendoza. They could be children of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, or she Elvira;s sister.
Does anybody have any documentation that would support the Mejia Magdaleno genealogy? Looking for documentation (preferably primary source: baptism, marriage or death - and from Mexico!), that shows:
Geronimo Magdaleno married to Isabel de Soria.
Diego Magdaleno married Lorenza de Ovalle.
That Diego Magdaleno, married to Mariana de Aguirre, is the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle
According to Moreno Garcia in "Haciendas de tierra y agua...," Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza had a brother, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, jinete y hacendado, who had two sons: Juan de Lievana y Diego Magdaleno, both were clerics. He cites "Familias y casa de la vieja Valladolid," by Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga. Would anyone have access to a copy?
Thank you in advance,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
ES.41091.AGI/23.10.176//MEXICO,176,N.30
CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: GERONIMO MADALENO
1602-7-18
Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de regidor de Valladolid, en Michoacan a Gerónimo Madaleno. Resuelto
ES.41091.AGI/29.7.19//PATRONATO,293,N.24,R.34
NOMBRAMIENTO DE REGIDOR
1602-8-1 Valladolid
Real Provisión nombrando regidor de la ciudad de Valladolid de la provincia de Michoacán a Jerónimo Magdaleno, por fallecimiento de Juan Martínez de Berdusco. (Copia)
ES.41091.AGI/23.10.264//MEXICO,263,N.112
Inventario de bienes: Magdaleno de Mendoza, Jerónimo
1623-1-16 Valladolid
Autos del inventario de bienes de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza, vecino y regidor de la ciudad de Valladolid, provincia de Michoacán.
Actuados ante Fernando de Bocanegra, alcalde mayor de la ciudad de Valladolid, en Michoacán.
ES.41091.AGI/23.10.182//MEXICO,182,N.59
CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: JUAN DE SALCEDA ANDRADA
1623-9-25
Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de alguacil mayor de Valladolid de Michoacán a Juan de Salceda Andrada. Resuelto
ES.41091.AGI/23.10.182//MEXICO,182,N.96
CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: JERÓNIMO MAGDALENO DE MENDOZA
1625-8-13
Expediente de confirmación del oficio de regidor y depositario general de Valladolid Michoacán a Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza.
Resuelto
ES.41091.AGI/23.10.241//MEXICO,241,N.24
Informaciones: Pedro de Salceda y Andrade (hijo de Juan Salceda y Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza)
1649
Informaciones de oficio y parte: Pedro de Salceda y Andrade, bachiller, clérigo presbítero, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán. Con parecer de la Audiencia
ES.41091.AGI/23.15.188//INDIFERENTE,194,N.43
MÉRITOS: Pedro de Salceda
1651-3-4
Relación de méritos y servicios del bachiller Pedro de Salceda, clérigo presbítero, cura beneficiado de la iglesia de Pasquaro (provincia de Michoacán), hijo de Juan de Salcedo Andrade y de Francisca Magdalena de Mendoza.
Referencias:
-Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza, regidor de Valladolid de Michoacán.
-Juan de la Paraya, secretario de la Inquisición de Nueva España.
-Capitán Jerónimo de Salceda.
Observaciones:
Ampliada hasta 25 de noviembre de 1655.
ES.41091.AGI/23.10.188//MEXICO,188,N.25
1658-3-26
Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de depositario general y regidor de Valladolid en Michoacán a Nicolás de Salceda. Resuelto
Hi Manny,
I too descend from this couple through their son Simon Magdaleno m. Josefa Guzman and daughter Andrea Alvarez and her second husband Francisco de Chavez.
I also have read the Magdaleno genealogy listed in the genealogias.wordpress.com blog and just like you have not found any supporting record or source that confirms the information in the blog. I did add Diego (I) and Lorenza de Ovalle as (unconfirmed) parents of Diego m. Mariana de Aguirre since some of the daughters of Diego and Mariana used the Ovalle surname.
Thanks
Austin Perez
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Thanks, Austin,
I've left them in my tree unconfirmed, as well, and for the same reason.
I agree, Diego II is son of Diego I and Lorenza de Ovalle, for the reasons you mention. But is Diego I the son of Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza? Or his brother, as suggested in Moreno Garcia's book? In which case, Diego II took his orders (he could've left the Order - it'd have to be that way, since Mariana de Aguirre died a widow).
I still have Isabel de Soria, as well; perhaps Maria Cecilia Patino was Geronimo's 2nd wife. Until I learn otherwise, I'll have her tentatively as the mother of Francisca Magdaleno and Diego Magdaleno I.
This is my first line that I've researched in Valladolid/Morelias, and I'm impressed by the collection at FamilySearch. It helps that the Magdaleno's were so prominent, as well as active. I've found 20 instances of Francisco Magdaleno, acting as padrino or testigo, between 1595 and 1610, either with or without Elvira de Mendoza.
What I find uncanny is that the
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Here’s more on Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno - he was the beneficiado of Aguacana (or Guacana) and Churumucho, from at least 1624 to 1644. His name disappears from the records around then, so he might have passed away. And he would use the surname "Magdaleno de Liebana," so he’s probably a son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle:
Morelia > Diócesis de Michoacán > Gobierno 1624-1669 > image 14 of 1236.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19273-24149-43?cc=1883388&wc…
And as I mentioned, he was padrinos with Geronima de Mendoza for a child on 19 Feb 1607; he didn’t wear a title, so he hadn’t taken his vows yet, and was probably still a mozo. I place his birth in the early 1590s. If he is a son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle, that places their births around 1560-70, so Diego would be a brother of Geronimo Magdaleno and not his son, as the wordpress genealogy has him.
Heriberto Moreno quotes G. Ibarrola Arriaga in his
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Hi Manny
The early Patzcuaro records show a Gonzalo Fernandez Magdaleno, escribano publico, married to Maria Maldonado. I did not find any record that connects this Gonzalo Magdaleno to the Magdaleno's of Valladolid. Though, the baptism record for Gonzalo and Maria's daughter Marta is very interesting in that it lists the priest who performed tha baptism as fray Juan de Lievana "vicario que ala era del dicho convento [San Agustin]". Could this be the Juan de Lievana, son of Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza?
Hasto pronto.
Austin Perez
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Hello Austin,
That must be him and it would explain why he doesn’t appear in the Valladolid/Morelia archives of that period - he was in Patzcuaro.
Here’s another: 8 Dec 1625, Patzcuaro, Padre Maestro Fray Juan de Liebana de la Orden de San Agustin, presiding over the marriage of Miguel de Urria(?) and Maria de la Cerna:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18745-47661-59?cc=1883388&wc…
DIEGO MAGDALENO Y MARIANA DE AGUIRRE
Again, I’m trying to fix a timeline on this couple. The 1679 Jalostotitan Padron has them living with one other person, Alonso de Aguirre (does anyone know who he is?); none of their known children are listed, so, Diego & Mariana were either newlyweds, or the children had already moved out. I think the former, since it fits better into the timelines of their children, who would then all be born after 1679, placing the marriage of Diego & Mariana around 1678-79.
What’s your opinion in regards? (that is an open question to the community)
I was going
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Hola Austin,
A few more pieces to add to the puzzle:
From around 1604-1607, Francisco Madaleno (how they spelt their name) was Mayordomo de la Fabrica y Hospital de la Catedral de Valladolid, and his name can be found on several documents throughout those years. Here’s his signature: IMG623R
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18784-19753-46?cc=1883388&wc…
According to PARES-AGIS, Gonzalo Fernandez Magdaleno was named escribano publico of Patzcuaro 06 Apr 1588, replacing Juan Fernandez Magdaleno, who had resigned. Probably his brother. The documents aren’t digitized.
The ledger of the Cofradia del Rosario, 21 Aug 1593, has Francisco Madaleno, Elvira de Mendoza and their children paying their dues: Francisco is listed as FRANCISCO HERNANDEZ MADALENO, definitely linking him to Gonzalo and Juan: IMG612L
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18784-17892-92?cc=1883388&wc…
So, it’s not MEJIA Madaleno
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I guess my eyes were tired when I looked at it, but img613L says Diego Madaleno and his wife Ana Gutierrez de Liebana, which makes her the obvious mother of Fray’s Juan de Lievana and Diego Madaleno, and more than likely, Ldo. Gonzalo Madaleno de Lievana.
Saludos
Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo
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Hi Manny
Thanks for the information.
Regarding the family of Gonzalo Madaleno and Maria Maldonado, I found the following baptism records in the Patzcuaro records:
1. Marta baptism record dated 5 July 1599
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18621-76319-32?cc=1883388&wc…
2. Beatriz baptized 4 Nov.1606
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18621-76166-33?cc=1883388&wc…
3. Ana baptized Jan. 1610
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18621-76378-37?cc=1883388&wc…
Austin Perez
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You're welcome, Austin, and thank you. Those dates would make Gonzalo Fernandez Magdaleno a contemporary of Regidor Geronimo Madaleno, and if that cofradia ledger wasn't a notary's mistake, perhaps his brother.
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo
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I was reading through the Wikipedia entry for “Casta”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta#Purity_of_Blood_and_the_Evolution_of…
“Spaniards became obsessed with lineage, particularly since evidence of lack of purity of blood had consequences for marriage, eligibility for office, entrance into the priesthood, and emigration to Spain's overseas territories. The necessity to produce genealogical records to prove one's pure ancestry gave rise to a trade in the creation of false genealogies.”
Martinez, Genealogical Fictions, p. 266-67.
Wow. So, the need for doctored genealogies was great enough to create a trade. In light of the fact that Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno was the son of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, I’d say Geronimo Magdaleno Sauceda’s Limpieza de Sangre is a forgery, and a very elaborate one, at that. Have any of you read it? It’s pages & pages of numerous testigos - clerics, knights, officials, and all of them giving the Mejia-Magdaleno
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Austin,
This newly in from an NR thread on Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21790?page=3
At PARES, look for the 1607 concesion de oficio for FRANCISCO HERMOSILLO, it names him as the son of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Ana Rodriguez, his paternal grandparents as Gonzalo Garcia de Hermosillo and Leonor Sanchez de Porras, and maternals, Gonzalo Magdaleno and Maria Hernandez.
Gonzalo Magdaleno and Maria Hernandez are of particular interest to this thread, with possible links to Gonzalo Fernandez Magdaleno (and perhaps Juan Fernandez Magdaleno and Francisco Fernandez Magdaleno).
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Hola primos,
Diego Magdaleno and Mariana de Aguirre appear in the 1672 & 1673 padrones for Jalostotitlan, living in San Juan de Lagos, on the estancia of Nicolas de Aguirre and Andrea Alvarez; on both entries, Mariana is listed as "Mariana de Mendoza." Source: "Jalostotitlan Padrones Parroquiales, Vol II" by Sergio Gutierrez.
They appear again in the 1679 padron, but now they're on their own rancho; Mariana is listed as "Mariana de Aguirre," and there is a child named Alonso de Aguirre living with them. It does not explain his relationship, only that he had confessed (age 5 and up), but not received communion (age 8 and up). That'd place his birth year around 1673-1674.
Like many of us who descend from this couple, I suspect that Mariana de Aguirre is the daughter of Nicolas de Aguirre and Andrea Alvarez, in light of the surnames associated with her - Aguirre, Alvarez, Mendoza, which are all surnames associated with Nicolas de Aguirre and Andrea Alvarez. The fact that she and Diego
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Yo también desciendo de Diego Magdaleno y Mariana de Aguirre, por tres líneas distintas. Hace muchos años consulté por primera vez los datos de Jaime Holcombe (Microfilm # 1396255, Batch # 8680206-33) referentes a esta pareja. He seguido indagando y he descubierto que sus fechas y el número de sus hijos estaban equivocados, inclusive hasta en Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (Tomo V, Volumen 2, pg. 617) solo se incluyen tres hijos.
Efectivamente, Diego Magdaleno y Mariana de Aguirre celebraron nupcias hacia 1672, o antes, y tuvieron por lo menos ocho (8) hijos e hijas, y eran vecinos de la Estancia de Don Nicolás de Aguirre (La Estancia de Los Aguirres), en la jurisdicción de San Juan de los Lagos.
Diego Magdaleno y Ovalle aka: Diego Magdaleno Born: Abt. 1647 in Tangancícuaro, Michoacán, México Died: Unknown Note: Don Diego Magdaleno, español; orig. de Tangancícuaro, Obispado de Michoacán, y vecino de San Juan de los Lagos; h.l. de don Diego Magdaleno y de doña Lorenza de
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My husband's 7th great-grandparents are Juan Diego Magdaleno and Rosa de Aguirre Mendoza Limon (sometimes listed as Mariana or Micaela). His 6 th great-grandparents are Juan Joseph Magdaleno and Isabel Limon.
Thank you for posting this new information which adds another generation to his tree, plus info on the siblings, etc. And thanks to your collaborators also.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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> From: PacoHernandez73@msn.com
> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 14:47:34 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Magdaleno & Mariana de Aguirre
>
> Yo también desciendo de Diego Magdaleno y Mariana de Aguirre, por tres
> líneas distintas. Hace muchos años consulté por primera vez los datos de
> Jaime Holcombe (Microfilm # 1396255, Batch # 8680206-33) referentes a esta
> pareja. He seguido indagando y he descubierto que sus fechas y el número de
> sus hijos estaban equivocados, inclusive hasta en Retoños de España en la
> Nueva Galicia (Tomo V, Volumen 2, pg
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Hola Paco,
Thank you for the detailed information - there were a couple I didn't have. I'm really fascinated by the "de Don Diego" surname; I haven't tracked that line, and it's an interesting clue - great work. Diego Magdaleno-Ovalle, who was married to Mariana de Aguirre, is always refered to as "D. Diego Magdaleno" in the few partidas and padrones I've seen, so he's the obvious source for that surname. And thank you for your kind words! The sentiment is mutual!
Hola Emilie:
I'm not sure if Micaela de Aguirre, who was married to Juan Diego Magdaleno, and Mariana de Aguirre, who was married to Don Diego Magdaleno, are the same couple; I thought this might be the case, but according to other records I've seen, there are some conflicts. I believe Micaela was the daughter of Alonso Martin Limon-Sayas and Ana de [Aguirre] Mendoza; she appears living on then-widowed Ana de Mendoza's estancia, in the 1679 Jalostotitlan padron. I think Micaela [Limon] de Aguirre and Mariana de Aguirre
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No...thank you (as in your work on the Hermosillos de Montesa)!! All I can say is consult the original sources I have cited with Web sources, and really look at the troncos and other genealogical data. That's where the real goodies are located. In more than one source I have seen Nicolás de Aguirre mentioned as Nicolás Pérez de Aguirre (see the details of this one here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-65664-27?cc=1874591&wc… ), and his wife María Andrea Alvarez with the full surname Alvarez Tostado.
I frankly do not know where Nicolás got the "Pérez" nor where María Andrea Alvarez got the "Tostado" from, but they are obvious indicators that these were actual surnames still hidden deeper within the ancestries of their families. In other words, mysteries that have yet to reveal their hidden secrets.
Take the surname Ovalle. Diego Magdaleno and Mariana de Aguirre had a daughter called Manuela, who preferred the surnames Oballe (Ovalle), Magdaleno
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Aquí me limitaré en exponer lo que tengo sobre la presente generación - la familia de Nicolás Pérez de Aguirre y de María Andrea Alvarez Tostado. Queda en debate abierto de donde sacaron ambos el utilizar los apellidos Pérez y Tostado, y por qué sus descendientes los perpetuaron. Hipótesis abundan pero verificación falta.
Nicolás Pérez de Aguirre aka: Nicolas de Aguirre Born: Abt. 1630 in El Valle de Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown
.. +María Andrea Alvarez Tostado aka: Maria Alvarez & Andrea Alvarez & María Andrea Alvarez Born: Abt. 1636 in El Valle de Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Married: Abt. 1654 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown
1..... Catarina de Aguirre y Alvarez aka: Catarina de Aguirre Born: Abt. 1655 in Los Aguirres, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown Note: Tuvo una hija fuera de matrimonio con padre no conocido, llamada Juana de Aguirre, nacida hacia 1673, en San Juan de los Lagos.
....... +N. N
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Esta es la familia de Juan Francisco Xavier Magdaleno de Don Diego, conocido variablemente como Juan de Don Diego, Francisco Xavier Magdaleno y Juan Magdaleno, pero parece ser que él y su prole optaban por utlizar el curioso apelativo “Don Diego”. Al investigarlo a él, sus hijos y nietos, era aparente que Don Diego era un apellido que llevaba el mismo uso que el original Magdaleno. Ya después algunos descendientes combinaron los apelativos formando el apellido compuesto “Magdaleno de Don Diego”. Para la descendencia limitada en Lagos de esta generación, fue por un tiempo tan común llamarse Don Diego como Magdaleno.
Juan Francisco Xavier Magdaleno de Don Diego & Micaela Sánchez de Mendoza y Limón tuvieron 6 hijos documentados:
Juan Francisco Xavier Magdaleno de Don Diego aka: Juan de Don Diego Born: Abt. 1673 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown Father: Diego Magdaleno Mother: Maria-Anna de Aguirre
... +Micaela Sánchez de Mendoza aka
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Hola Paco,
This is great, thanks for sharing. Very interesting, this new detail. Lots of stuff to go through, manos a la obra!
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Hola primos,
Thank you Manny and Steven for sharing your detailed and extensive research, which I'm working through. Below are burial records which you may find helpful.
Steven- Could you please provide the source or document that shows don Diego as 'originario de' Tangancícuaro, Obispado de Michoacán.
Gracias y hasta pronta
Austin Perez
1. Mariana de Aguirre, esposa de don Diego Magdaleno: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-68495-43?cc=1874591&wc…
Aguirres, Mariana de Aguirre, cruz alta, fabrica 20 reales
En el santuario de Nuestra Señora de San Juan a treinta de octubre de mil setecientos veintidós años se le dio eclesiástica sepultura a Mariana de Aguirre, española, viuda de don Diego Magdaleno. Se enterró con misa y vigilia en fabrica de veinte reales, habiéndosele administrada los santos sacramentos y no otorgo testamento por no tener bienes algunos. Y para que conste lo firmé.
Juan Xptosomo de Portugal y Lozano
2. Juan
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Thanks for the additional data...but precisely upon further researching these specific families to provide an update response, I discovered that I was missing several children and other more precise bits of data on each of them, in particular death records. And not just the death records provided just above, which you have posted on your great website, Sr. Agustin Perez. Just to mention two highly relevant individuals to this discussion, I located your family entries for my 5th-great-grandmother, María Rosalía de la Luz Pedroza [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Pedroza-Family-Tree-31]...we are both descendants of José Dionisio Guadalupe de Pedroza and María Salomé López...and my 7th-great-grandmother, Rita Josefa de Chávez [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/de%20Ch%C3%A1vez-Family-Tree-107], to name a few. Very nice, well documented with sources.
I began analyzing the first San Juan de los Lagos death records and have located many others not listed above. In a few days I will be
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Hola primos,
Here’s an interesting piece of the Aguirre puzzle: I was sifting through early San Luis Potosi baptisms (which aren’t indexed), and I found Martin de Aguirre and Leonor de ORNELAS baptizing a daughter I had no record of: Francisca, baptized 19 Apr 1620 (top right):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20421-26246-39?cc=1860864…
Francisca doesn’t appear living with Martin & Leonor in any of the padrones, but she might have already married by then.
This places Martin Aguirre & Leonor Mendoza in SLP in 1620; there are other Aguirre in the SLP archives, but I don’t know if and how they’re related.
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Ooh very nice Manny!! Great find!! Muy bien!!
This indeed grounds this couple chronologically, which places their marriage ca. 1619 or before, perhaps right there in San Luis Potosí. Are there marriages for San Luis Potosí during this time? Maybe not microfilmed (?) or archived somewhere else??
As I do for all actas and sources, I transcribed it. So here you go:
Acta bautismal de Francisca de Aguirre y Ornelas - 19 Febrero 1620, San Luis Potosí, S.L.P.
[Foja 79 frente] "1620 a.s
Fran.ca ----- En dies y nuebe díaz de el mes de fr.o de mill y seis cientos y beynte años bauptizé a fran.ca hija de mrn. de aguirre y de Leonor de ornelas vezinos deste pueblo fueron sus padrinos miguel marq.z y catalina sánches rresidentes en este pueblo -
. . . Her.do hurtado (rúbrica)."
Fuente: San Luis Potosí > Sagrario > Bautismos 1593-1651 > [image 102 of 608] -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20421-26246-39?cc=1860864…
Interesting to
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Hey Paco,
There are various notarial and other such records available through the LDS site, under San Luis Potosi miscallaneous records 1570-1882. The available documents are:
Causas Civiles
Causas Criminales
Documentos Justiciales
Documentos Varios
Milicia
Protocolos Notariales
Registro de Minas
Tierras y Propriedades
Varios
Varios Documentos Municipales
Testamentos are probably under "Protocolos Notariales."
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.or…
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There are some early SLP marriages, tucked-in amongst the baptisms on Roll # 640576 San Luis Potosí Sagrario Bautismos 1593-1651:
MARRIAGES JUL 1605 img141
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20421-26152-45?cc=1860864…
BAPTISMS CONTINUED Jun 1625 img170
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20421-26399-1?cc=1860864&…
SAN LUIS POTOSI MARRIAGES AUG 1625 img286
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20421-25489-4?cc=1860864&…
BAUTISMOS 1633 img 326
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20421-27601-37?cc=1860864…
There are Martinez de Sotomayor, Montanez, Santa Cruz de Orosco, and other altenas lines in there.
Saludos,
Manny DIez Hermosillo
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As Mariano González-Leal mentioned in his chapter on the Aguirre surname (Retoños, Tomo II, pp. 89-102) there are many Aguirre lines. I have not researched this family, but when Manny mentioned San Luis Potosi I decided to check my notes:
Catalina de Aguirre vda Gonzalo Patiño.
Natural de Zacatecas. HL Juan de Aguirre+ y Ana Ramírez+.
Gave dote for dtr María de Aguirre cc Julian Lopes.
Mentions --s de Vargas Machuca mi ahijada.
Children:
Juan de Aguirre
Tomas Patiño
Maria de Aguirre
Lorenzo Patiño
Joseph de Aguirre cc Christoval Gutiérrez
Gonzalo Patiño
Felipe Patiño
...que hoy son vivos y otros que Dios ha llevado
This was extracted from the original protocolos in SLP. Section A3, 1643, 4 en 1643 to 10 ju 1643, p.42. Ten years later we meet up with Catalina in the SLP protocolos of Pedro de Avalos, Section A3, 1653, 28 jul 1653:
Yo Catalina de Aguirre vda de (1)Gonzalo Patiño y (2) Juan Dias. Both deceased.
I’ve typed this pretty much as I scribbled. English and Spanish
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This is the IM for Sebastian Vasquez de Lara and Luisa de Liebana, 18 Mar 1658. This is Sebastian's IM, and it was done in Villa de Lagos, so there's no info on Luisa de Liebana, other than she was a resident of Tangaciquaro, in provincia de Michoacan. It's the only document that I have found that names Diego Magdaleno cc Lorensa de Liebana:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KGPP?i=213&wc=3NTD-BZ3
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Manny,
Here is a book that has some geneology of the MAgdalenos:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&dq=%22Magdaleno…
Danny C. Alonso
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Hi Danny,
I reference that book and discredit the Magdaleno entry at the beginning of this thread. The Magdaleno genealogy given in that book is incorrect, and is based on a false limpieza de sangre, carried out in 1651. You can read my argument at the beginning of the thread.
Thanks,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Sorry Manny, I didn't realize it was a false book.
Danny C. Alonso
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Hi Danny,
No worry - the rest of the book is probably accurate, it’s just that one entry, and like I said, it was based on a limpieza de sangre, written 350+ years ago. There was no reason to think that the limpieza was false, until I noticed that it contradicted what I was seeing in the Morelia de Mich archives, and at PARES-AGIS.
Read my initial post (it’s in English, too), I explain my argument, it’s really fascinating. It reminds us that we have to continue verifying our work - and that of others.
Keep up the great work!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Thank you Manny.
Danny C. Alonso
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Hola primos,
Working on the family group of Diego Magdaleno and Lorensa de Oballe y Liebana:
This is the 18 Mar 1658 IM for Luisa de Liebana to Sebastian Vasquez de Lara. She’s daughter of Diego Magdaleno and Lorensa de Liebana:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KGPP?i=213&wc=3NTD-BZ3
This is the 19 Feb 1661 IM for Maria de Oballe, for her marriage to Juan de Chavez. She’s daughter of Diego Magdaleno and Lorensa de Oballe, Her brother, Tomas Magdaleno, acts as her guardian.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5K9D-MR?i=213&wc=3NY4-GP8
DIEGO MAGDALANO DE LIEBANA
Here’s Diego Magdaleno de Liebana, as a testigo on 30 Oct 1661, in Zacatula, Gro, where he’s Teniente de Alcalde Mayor. He gives his age as 46 poco mas o menos, placing his birth around 1615. The contrayentes are Francisco Martin de Ynojosa and Beatriz Naselo, daughter of Nicolas de Avila Calderon and Beatriz Naselo. Diego Magdaleno de Liebana says he’s married to the bride’s sister:
https://familysearch
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Hi Manny,
I think we all just assumed Diego Magdaleno married to Mariana de Aguirre was the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Liebana. But, since Diego Magdaleno and Mariana de Aguirre are at the top of the tronco on all the dispensas, there's no way to know for sure without more documentation.
Chris
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Hola prim@s,
It’s easy to presume that Don Diego Magdaleno is son of Diego Magdaleno cc Lorensa de Oballe y Liebana, since his children used “Oballe,” and he even had a daughter named Lorensa de Oballe. But that just proves that he descends from them; from his timeline, he could be their grandson. Hopefully, something will turn up!
What we do know about Diego Magdaleno cc Lorensa de Oballe y Liebana, is that they were residents of Tangancicuaro, which is just outside of Zamora, Mich. And we have them with 3 confirmed children: Tomas Magdaleno, Luisa de Liebana and Maria de Oballe. This Diego Magdaleno is supposedly the son of Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza and Cecilia Patiño de Herrera (though I’ve seen no documentation supporting this…).
These are from the Morelia, Mich tax archives. From the timeline, this is either Diego Magdaleno cc Lorensa de Oballe, or Diego Magdaleno de Liebana ("DML"), or both. The 1636 & 1637 entries are for Tlazazalca & Zamora (Tangancicuaro is just
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Manny,
Do you know how Anna Gutierrez de Liebana is related to Lorensa Oballe y Liebana
Danny C. Alonso
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Hi Danny,
No, I don't have their ancestry.
Chao!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
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Hola prim@s,
This is the capellania founded by Diego Magdaleno cc Ana Gutierrez de Liebana, son of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, dated 14 Apr 1609, Valladolid, Mich. It's first patron is his oldest son, Padre Gonzalo Magdaleno de Liebana. He also mentions a Luis Magdaleno, though there is no mention of Fray Juan de Liebana or Fray Diego Madaleno, who are his known sons (perhaps he is one of them?). Elvira de Mendoza and Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza appear on image451:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-6H9T-T5?i=446&wc=3J9J-168
TOMAS MADALENO
Tomas Madaleno (how he signed his name) was son of Diego Magdaleno and Leonor de Oballe y Liebana. He was married to Juana de Chavez, Mestiza, and they had a daughter named Antonia Magdaleno. Antonia Magdaleno married Baltasar Rodriguez, here is their IM, Jun 1670, Penjamo. Tomas Magdaleno appears as Antonia's guardian on img754:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KP99-6H?i=749&wc=3NTX-T38
Saludos
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Hola de nuevo a todos:
He encontrado dos referencias a la familia Magdaleno en el siglo XVI.
En la página de Gary Félix encontré en el listado de soldados que sirvieron con Nuño Beltrán de Guzmán a un Juan Madaleno. No cita la fuente, lo busqué en el portal Pares pero no lo encontré, ni en el Patronato ni en los demás archivos. ¿Sabe alguno de ustedes si los Magdaleno que se asentaron en Michoacán descienden de él?
En la misma página encontré a Juan de Pantoja, quien sirvió con Hernán Cortés en la conquista de México y se asentó en Michoacán, aparece como su yerno Francisco Magdaleno. Éste Juan de Pantoja si aparece en varios libros sobre la fundación de Valladolid.
¿Es posible que Francisco Magdaleno descienda de Juan Madaleno y por ser descendiente de un conquistador se haya casado con la hija del conquistador Juan de Pantoja, encomendero de La Huacana?
Saludos y feliz año nuevo.
Marcelina
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No aparecen hijos de Diego Magdaleno y Mariana de Aguirre en los padrones de Jalostotitlán/San Juan de los Lagos, excepto Alonso. Tampoco existe acta de matrimonio de ellos. Los hijos e hijas adicionales y sus cónyuges correspondientes que tengo los descubrí a través de varias dispensas matrimoniales en la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. He juntado las fuentes de todas las dispensas matrimoniales que vinculan a Diego Magdaleno y Mariana de Aguirre de esta manera.
Their marriage record has never been found, but I have located numerous marriage dispensations that prove their lineage.
1. Dispensa matrimonial de Luis Antonio de Pedroza & María Francisca Xaviera de la Concepción Alvarez - 1774, San Juan de los Lagos
Fueron dispensados de un parentesco en cuarto grado igual de consanguinidad.
Tronco - Nicolás de Aguirre [& María Andrea Alvarez]
. . . . . . María Anna Aguirre . . . . . .1 . . . . . María de Aguirre
. . . . . . . Simón Magdaleno . . . . . . 2 . . . . . .Pedro Contreras
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Magdaleno