Paige,

Yes --- Bernabe and Gertrudis were the gggg-grandparents of my husband Antonio C. Garcia. Their daughter Maria Antonia Magdaleno married Yldefonso Joseph Gonzales. Their son Gregorio Gonzales married Maria Ramona Ornelas. Their daughter Antonia Gonzales married Estanislado de Jesus Garcia. Their son Simon Garcia married Marciana Cervantes. Their son Primitivo Garcia married Maria Hinojosa de Gutierrez. Their son Enrique Garcia married Maria de la Paz Acosta, and their son is my husband Antonio Carlos Garcia. Antonio and his father Enrique were born in El Paso, TX. Everybody else was born (in his paternal line) in Encarnacion.

Did you find Bernabe's and Gertrudis' parents? I couldn't find them.

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:52:13 -0800
> From: herrerapaige77@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction

Danny,

You can view my trees on Nuestros Ranchos by going to Files, Members Genealogy Files, click on "G", then find my name Emilie Garcia. In there I have two trees, one for my husband and one for my father. Click on "Garcia-Cervantes Tree" to view my husband's family tree.

My husband Antonio Carlos Garcia was born in 1935 in El Paso, and his father Enrique Garcia was also born in El Paso, in 1909. His grandfather, Primitivo Garcia was born in Encarnacion. He came to El Paso with his parents Simon Garcia and Marciana Cervantes around 1895 from Encarnacion. I see your Manuel Alonso was born in El Paso. Maybe your Manuel Alonso (your grandfather?) knew Primitivo and Simon Garcia. They were merchants in El Paso, owned grocery stores, butcher shops, bakeries, vulcanizing shops, taxi companies, boarding houses. What a small world. Do you still have relatives in El Paso? My husband Tony only has one cousin left there, Adrian Garcia, who is in his 80s..

I will e-mail you

Danny,

What website have you been looking at? My husband shares most of the surnames from Encarnacion de Diaz (Macias, Rubalcaba, Aguirre, Magdaleno) you have mentioned, and I would like to see if somewhere there is a common ancestor. Do you have any Cervantes, Ornelas, Morones, or Garcia?

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:35:58 -0800
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias
>
> Thank you for the information Chris. I was having trouble following all the
> information. But, now I look on the website. I think I added everyone and
> have it all but is Josepha de Aguirre is also Josepha Magdaleno and her
> mother is Josepha Gusman and her father is Simon Magdaleno?
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Danny,

You're welcome. Chris deserves a thank you also since he put us on the right track for the parents of Isabel Macias.

There are some of your ancestors that is didn't mention because some I don't have the documented proof and I ran out of time to look for the proof. They are most likely mentioned somewhere in this site but you still want to look for the proof if not contained in a post or a tree.

Armando

Yes, it sure does look like that is her. It also coincides with her given age of 20 in her IM of 1764.

The Trillo connection is interesting because Teresa de Trillo y Alonso de los Hinojos, a niece of Juan Manuel de Trillo y Villalpando, married Juan Joseph González de Rubalcava y Villalobos "originario y vezino de este partido en La Estanzuela" on 14 June 1744

Armando

Danny,

I don't know of any rule against asking about paternal and maternal ancestors of a couple. However, tt is best to concentrate on one family at a time.

Armando

Yes. Sorry I had missed the last line where you specified you were asking about her parents.

The image is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11082-70054-49

Hi Armando,
I need to know what you think about this theory. Juan Antonio de Rubalcava and Isabel Macias are my 7th Great Grandparents, through Guillermo de Rubalcava that married Andrea de Alba. And, admittedly they are one of my least researched ancestors because I haven't gotten to them yet, but I tentatively have the parents of Isabel Macias as Joseph Manuel Macias and Josepha de Aguirre/Magdaleno. The couple he put down Manuel Macias and Josepha de Aguilar married only two years before her supposed daughter. Plus, if you look at the IM for Juan Antonio de Rubalcava and Isabel Macias https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12379-10155-97?cc=1502404&… lists Isabel Macias' mother not as Aguilar, but as Josepha de Aguirre, which I believe she uses from her grandmother Mariana de Aguirre that married Diego Magdaleno.
Also, if you look at the the padrinos that baptized the children of Juan Antonio de Rubalcava and Isabel Macias, they are either Magdalenos

María Pérez de Nava was the daughter of Cristóbal Pérez López and María Magdaleno Hernández married 19 Dec 1577

"En diez y nueve de diziembre de mill quinos y setenta y siete años El
bachiller Diego de Fuentes clerigo presbitero con my licencia desposo a
..Christoval Perez hijo de Hernan de Perez y de Maria Lopez su mujer
que es de Granatula [de Calatrava] jurisdiccion de Almagro Castia [Castilla] y Maria Magdalena
hija de Goncalo Magdalena y de Maria Hernández su mujer que es de esta
ciudad habiendo se...................en esta iglesia de la beracruz las
diligencias conforme a derecho ¿? Christoval Perez dio información
como era libre de matrimonyo como consta por el mandamiento.......Diego de Fuentes .
hallado presentes Diego de Baeça del ¿? Pedro ? ...Juan Go.
Hermosilla vecinos de Mexico"

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-1223-17

Gonzalo Magdaleno and Maria Hernández were also the parents of Ana Rodríguez de Magdaleno who married Juan González de Hermosillo y