I descend from"Juana Gertrudis de Villaseñor y Franco de Paredes" y "Joseph Thoribio Muñoz de la Barba", I am looking for information on her father, Christobal Villaseñor's parents and grandparents.

Yo desciendo de "Juana Gertrudis de Villaseñor y Franco de Paredes" y "Joseph Thoribio Muñoz de la Barba"

Juana "Ana" Gertrudis de Villaseñor y Franco de Paredes fue bautizada el 6/Aug/1724

Joseph Thoribio Muñoz de la Barba fue bautizado el 28/Apr/1718 en San Juan de los Lagos. El murio el 22//Nov/1779

Thoribio y Juana Ana Gertrudis se casaron el 9/Oct/1743

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Joseph Thoribio Muñoz de la Barba is the son of Diego Muñoz de la Barba and Antonia Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza

Diego Muñoz de la Barba is the son of Cap. Luis Munoz de la Barba and Antonia Martin del Campo

Antonia Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza is the daughter of Cap. Agustin Gomez de Mendoza and Maria Leal de Ayala

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Juana "Ana" Gertrudis de Villaseñor y Franco de Paredes is the daughter of Christobal Villaseñor and Gertrudis Franco de Paredes

Gertrudis Franco de Paredes is the daughter of Juan Antonio Franco de Paredes and Ana Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza

My big question is "Who are the parents and grandparents of Christobal Villaseñor?"

R.A.Ricci

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Here are two interesting court cases that may shed light on the ancestry of Pedro Yanguas and on the identity of the mother of Ana Carillo De Peralta Regada and of her half sister Ana De Peralta

First Case:
* Título: 
PEDRO DE YANGUAS Y ANA CARRILLO DE PERALTA contra GASTON DE PERALTA
* Serie: 
Procesos judiciales. Ochoa-Sentenciados
* Productor: 
CORTE MAYOR DE NAVARRA
* Fechas: 
1547.01.28 - 1547.08.12
* Lugar:
LOGROÑO - LA RIOJA - ESPAÑA
FALCES - NAVARRA - ESPAÑA
* Contenido: 
Pedro de Yanguas, regidor perpetuo de la ciudad de Logroño, y Ana Carrillo de Peralta, su mujer, contra Gaston de Peralta, marques de Falces, sobre entrega de 2.000 ducados de dote ofrecidos en el testamento de Alfonso Carrillo de Peralta, marques de Falces.

Second case:

Título: ANA DE PERALTA contra GASTON DE PERALTA
Serie: Procesos judiciales. Solano-Pendientes
Productor: CONSEJO REAL DE NAVARRA
Fechas: 1547.12.02 - 1553.12.31
Lugar:
Traibuenas - MURILLO EL CUENDE - NAVARRA -

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I descend also from Villaseñor, but unfortunately I have not been able to go further beyond José Nicolás and Teresa Ramirez that married in Bolaños in 1778, then their first daughter Victoriana was born in Tlaltenango in 1779, the second daughter Estefana was born in 1780 in Teul and then José George in Ojo Caliente around 1783. This one married Inocencia Colunga in 1812, in San Francisco Villa de Reyes, SLP and had 8 or so sons and one or two daughters, my tatarabuelo Canuto Villaseñor Colunga was one of his sons, born in 1821 and he then moved to Guanajuato, where the family stayed for the next generations.
I have not been able to find the parents of Nicolas Villaseñor, the marriage record doesn't make any mention of them and the Información Matrimonial seems to be in a lost book, and the only possible Padrón of Bolaños is from 1770 and they don't appear there, so I guess it is going to be very difficult to go past them. But who knows, maybe somebody here have a hint or tip to

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Yes, but padrinos names have no clue. I am now finding some books on informacion matrimonial that may have theirs, but going page by page is slow. I am interested in this line because the Villaseñor name is in my mother name, but from my father I descend directly from Aldonza de Villaseñor y Avalos, married to Juan Dozal Madriz, although the Villaseñor name didnot lasted long. It is certainly a family that have spread wide thru Jalisco and Michoacán mostly. Most of my family lines, as well as a lot of friends, have Villaseñor in their trees.

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Dear Manny,

I felt that it was time to stop adding new information, stop researching other lines, and just focus on writing and publishing a book. I have more than enough information to get the book done but you had to throw a wrench in my plans.

The line that I had put together was based on me trying to make sense of the data in front of me, but since most genealogist had a different line I did not pull more threads since it was only possible in my mind and not proven. When you provided information that debunked the line of the other genealogists you made me look at my information again in a different light because it was no longer an exercise in making sense of what I had before me but the line with the highest probability of being the actual true lineage. This set into motion working all afternoon and night gathering more information and putting all the pieces together. It is so much information, and I need to review it after some sleep, so I won't post the findings at

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Hi Rick,

Ha! Well, here's another wrench - I sifted through some other notes, and found some more puzzle pieces with the target surnames. These are my raw notes, I haven't researched every document, since they tend to be 100+ pages long.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

CAPELLANIA Jun 1615 faltan paginas
Antonio de Villalobos Presbitero, Hacienda de Maluca, ganados mayores
1o Sebastian Villalobos colegio de menores ordenes (sobrino de Antonio y Augustin Villalobos);
Alferez Joseph de Figueroa Campofrio
Damian Villalobos presbitero HL de Augustin Villalobos cc Maria Nunez 16 Sep 1634
img200 Damaso de Vargas en nombre de Maria Magdalena Davalos Bracamonte Orosco y Cervantes Vda de Pedro Antonio Trebuesto, su hijo Vicente Trebuesto sobre las cap's de Antonio y Augustin Villalobos y de Alferes Tomas Gonzales Figueroa y Capp Manuel Orosco Cervantes
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2KSM-5T?i=78&wc=3NTL-N3D

CAPELLANIA de Capp Juan Cavallero y Navarro (pages missing)
Labor de

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Dear Manny,

Thanks for the info. The more puzzle pieces we add to the puzzle the greater the probability we have of visualizing how the pieces fit together. You never know when a seemingly insignificant piece actually is the glue that brings a line together. There are many pieces involving the Villaseñor-Orosco, Boccanegra, Delgadillo, Davalos, Cervantes family lines These families intermarried over centuries so we are working on all of these lines at the same time. As long as we keep plugging away, every once a while we will connect a line to the first immigrants. The piece that you provided that lead to solving the Cuevas Villaseñor line still has me in a state of euforia. I am beyond cloud nine. Your little puzzle piece hit two birds with one stone. It solved my Regina Ines Cuevas Villaseñor line, while also leading me to work overtime on figuring out the Coría Peralta conundrum. Regina Ine's line is very important to me personally because it connects me to two lines that I

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Hi Rick,

You're welcome, and here's another batch of puzzle pieces. There might be dupes from my last posts - there's just so many, it's hard to keep track. Most of these are from Arquidiocesis de Morelia, but there might be some from Sagrada Mitra. This oughta keep you busy for a while!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Antonio Bocanegra Montesuma con Ynes Villasenor Hidalgo
HL Bernabe Bocanegra cc Maria Cervantes Montesuma (who were also dispensed)
HLa Francisco de Villasenor e Ynes Hidalgo Villasenor vnos de Puruandiro
DISPENSA 4o grado consang 29 May 1682 Valladolid
Juan Villasenor-2-Juan Bocanegra
Francisco Villasenor-3-Bernabe Bocanegra
Ynes Villasenor-4-Antonio Bocanegra
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DSWK-Q?i=285&wc=3JM7-SP8

Luis Morales con Leonor Contreras Villasenor 16 Mar 1682
HLa Antonio Martin Tamayo cc Catalina Contreras Villasenor
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DS4H-F?i=168&wc=3JM7-SP8

Nicolas Contreras Villasenor con Angela Botillo

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Muchas gracias por compartir todos esos links,son una gran aportación.
He revisado algunos y por lo pronto solo quiero apuntar que el film que habla sobre Joseph de Alcocer, criador de ganado mayor en Penjamo menciona a su mamá, la cual se llamaba Guiomar Dávalos Bocanegra.
A esta Guiomar yo la tengo como hija de Pedro de Bocanegra Cervantes Villaseñor casado con María Verdugo
Guiomar fue hermana de María Delgadillo casada con José de Villaseñor Figueroa

A María Verdugo la tengo como hija de Alonso Avalos Saavedra y María Delgadillo Avalos quienes casaron el 18-ago-1585

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Regina Villaseñor de la Cuevas’s descent from royalty through her Peralta ancestors.

A few notes labeled A through H before the tree.

Note A.
A small minority claim that García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra are the parents of “Mosén Pierres de Peralta “el Viejo”.

Many people claim that 2.”Mosén Pierres de Peralta, el Viejo” was the illegitimate son of Charles II De Navarro d’ Evereaux.

Both are mistaken as their is an extra generation which shows that Mosen Pierre De Peralta “el Viejo” (Pedro Perez de Peralta) is a grandson of both García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra and king Carlos II “el malo” and queen Juana De Francia

Note B
Geronimo Lopez “el Mozo” and his wife, Ana Carillo de Peralta came from the upper high class. Their immediate descendants married into other upper high class society like the Villaseñor, Lomelin, Santiago, Ovande, Alvarez Nuñez, Rivadeneyra, and Cervantes families to name some of them.

Note C
The Diego Coria III that

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Dear Manny,

The data you provided, in addition to what we already have, leads me to believe that there is a high probability that we will find The parents of Gonzalo de Avalos Tovar de Villaseñor and Antonia Hurtado de Mendoza in Michoacán records.

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Here is a previous post that is about "San Miguel de Los Alva" and also mentions Cristóbal Villaseñor:

By Xayme - Posted on 22 February 2009

While I was in Mexico several years ago I looked desperately this place. Anyone familiar with the area know that there are several "San Miguels" in the "nuestros ranchos" area. I went to all of them. Or at least I thought I did.

It wasn't until I came back to the U.S. did I come in contact with a distant cousin who happens to be a historian for Encarnacion de Diaz. I'm extremely thankful to him for the help he's given me and for his research. He also helped me find THEE San Miguel mentioned in my ancestors records. I also have photos if anyone is interesed. I hope this information can help someone else doing research in the same area.

If you have ties to this place or have more data on it's inhabitants during the 1600s please conatct me. This the part of my research where I have hit a dead end.

The following is an exerpt from an email my

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I had originally posted that I was not a descendant of the Villaseñor De Avalos. I was wrong. My ancestor Cristobal Villaseñor is a descendant of a Villaseñor de Avalos line. The other Villaseñor lines, of which there are a few, would not fit the time frame. I had originally only researched other Villaseñor lines. I only started researching the Villaseñor De Avalos connections to help out with Manny's research. This research has been useful in figuring out what I believe are the earliest connection between these two families as Gonzalo De Avalos Villaseñor Tovar could only descend from one of two possible connections as he was born before all the other Villaseñor and De Avalos marriages. This is based on information collected from my Manny's, Chris's, Danny's and my research, and the information in "Retonos de España en la Nueva Galicia" by Mariano Gonzalez Leal. There are many pieces to this puzzle and I believe that I have put together two possible lines of descent.

Marcelina

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I am also descended from Toribio and Gertrudis. You would be my cousin albeit a distant one so nice to meet you. I have read many of your post on nuestro ranchos so some of your info has been helpful for me. The only fact that I know getrudis existed was a that I found a death record with just her first name and stating cristobal villasenor was her husband in aguascalientes.

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Hi Rick,

I was going through my notes, and came upon the following entries, which I wish to contribute to this thread. These I pulled from the Archdiocese of Michoacan rolls, I hope you can find them useful.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

ORDENES
Francisco de Villasenor y Lomelin Bernal colegial
HL Pedro Villasenor y Orosco cc Maria de Cueba y Lomelin y Bernal
b 24 Oct 1648 Xiquilpa pp Juan de Villasenor Patino y Maria Lomelin SM
tt Tesorero Gonzalo Villasenor Zuniga 60y su tio en 4o grado, Geronimo Marin de Villasenor 40y su primo en 5o grado,
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5JSM-YG?i=1264&wc=3NY4-GP8
His bro Juan https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N21X-NPJ

Nicolas de Villasenor y Cueba colegial del colegio Rl de San Nicolas
08 Apr 1666 corona y 4 grados, just a letter of intent, no limpieza
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DQ9M-DZ?i=61&wc=3JMP-ZNL

IM Tzinzacuaro 3 Jan 1665
Anna Corona de Villasenor cc Francisco Rosales
HL Gaspar Marin de

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Dear Manny,

The main reason that I never finish writing a book is that new information keeps popping up. I often am working on some specific research when I come across some information that is an important puzzle piece to a different research project. Although you provided this information as a possible help in the research on Cristobal Villaseñor, the pieces you are providing are helping me with two other research projects.

The information you are providing looks like it will help me in my Villaseñor Cueva Lomelin line. The second line of research that your information is helpful is in my research on my de Hijar lines.

What does the HaLa mean in "HaLa Francisco Villasenor cc Ynes Nunez del Rincon"?

Thank you for all your help,
Rick A. Ricci

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Hi Rick,

I'm happy to hear it helps. I'm sorry, I cut & pasted from my notes, and I have some personal abbreviations: "HaLa" is for "hija legitima," and "HL" would be "hijo legitimo." Others I use are "DTO" id "difunto"; "tt" is "testigos"; "pp" is "padrinos"; "Ldo" is "licenciado"; "Ber" is "bachiller."

These surnames are on my radar, and I will continue to log them, as I find them.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Manny,

did these ordenes get you closer to connecting the Avalos brothers to the Villasenor or Avalos y Villasenor families?

Danny C. Alonso

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Dear Danny,

It does not. The dispensas provides information in a different area of the Villaseñor family puzzle.

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Dear Manny,

The information provided on Francisco de Villasenor y Lomelin Bernal is important in my research. He was a possible ancestor but if he is a priest then he cannot be the one Francisco de Villasenor that I find married and having children.

Thanks,

Rick A. Ricci

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Dear Danny,

This Villaseñor line that Regina descends from is related to a Villaseñor D' Avalos line.
Jose de Villaseñor Figueroa was married twice . Through his first marriage to Maria Delgadilla y Bocanegra D'avalos you have a line of descent that used Villaseñor D'avalos. Regina Ines Villaseñor descends from the second marriage so she doesn't have D'avalos in her ancestry.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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Dear Manny,

One of my ancestors is Regina Ines Villaseñor y Cuebas. Her parents are in dispute. Some genealogists claim that she descends from the Francisco Villaseñor in your post. But based on all the information that I have at hand, I had constructed a different ancestry for her. Your post actually supports my work and clears up this mess as the alternate line is not valid unless that Francisco had a marriage before or after he became a priest.

The probability that this line that I had posted here on nuestrosranchos is valid just went up by leaps and bounds..

I have already connected another line of mine to the Viilaseñors but it was through the brother so it did not include the Cervantes. Regina descends from the Villaseñor Cervantes line, but the ancestry with Francisco didn't make sense to me given the information that I possessed as it led me to construct this alternate line. This line does show descent from the Villaseñor Cervantes line which is very important as I have

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Dear Manny,

One thank you wasn't enough. The data you provided seems like just a little piece of the puzzle but in reality it is a big piece as it reinforces that the descent that other genealogists have proposed is not true and that this is the line of descent that fits with all of the information that I have.

Some of my information is based on some of Mariano Gonzalez Leal's work. I am relying on Mariano Gonzalez Leal's for a couple of generations and added it to other pieces of the puzzle that I already have.

Regina Ines Villaseñor
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Sun, 2016-08-07 13:39.
1). Alfonso Fernandez Villaseñor and Elvira Osórez (daughter of Fernando Osórez maestro de Santiago)

2). Fernan A. Villaseñor and Aldonza Gutierrez de Tapia

3). Diego Villaseñor alcaide de Segovía married to Maria Serones (Seron)(Seronis)

4). Juan Villaseñor Serones and Elvira de Tovar y Enriquez de Castilla

5). Diego de Villaseñor-Tovar and Isabel Alfonso de Villaseñor

6). Diego Villaseñor-Tovar

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Hola Richard:

Yo creo que si puede ser el mismo Cristóbal que haya estado un tiempo en Guanajuato, estas familias tenían propiedades en varios lugares del país.

En mi familia tengo un caso parecido: uno de mis tíos nació en 1918 y su madre murió después del parto. Después de un año el padre se casó con una mujer de familia importante y volvieron a registrarlo en 1919. Mi tío tenía dos actas de nacimiento. Sus hijos veían que visitaba una tumba de una mujer pero nunca les dijo nada, llevaba el apellido de la segunda esposa.

Todo esto era un secreto y sus hijos lo descubrieron recientemente, casi 100 años después.
Gertrudis murió en Aguascalientes y se señala que es esposa de Cristóbal Villaseñor y que vivían en el puesto de San Miguel, en Aguascalientes.

México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N87P-B2K : 27 July 2015), Christobal Villaseñor in entry for Gertrudis, ; citing Death, Asunción

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Hola Richard:

Creo que a Gertrudis se le cambió el apellido por la muerte de su madre, te expongo mi hipótesis.

La primera parte pertenece al árbol genealógico IN81-70K de Familysearch:

Juan de Villaseñor- Catalina de Cervantes

Francisco de Villaseñor Cervantes- Leonicia González y Reuss

Miguel de Villaseñor - María Figueroa

Gonzalo de Villaseñor- Juana Gomez

Gonzalo de Villaseñor- Theresa de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra
(Puruándiro, Michoacan 1636)
A partir de aquí son registros de Familysearch de Aguascalientes.

Gonzalo y Theresa se casan en Aguascalientes en 1683 M60484-5
son padres de
1685 Rosa María
1688 7 de septiembre Cristóbal
1692 Juan Mathias
1695 Lucía
1703 Gonzalo
Cristóbal se casa con Gertrudis de Olmedo, posiblemente mestiza.

Tienen una hija llamada Francisca Thomasa en Celaya el 22 de septiembre de 1722 (C60591-8) mestiza.

La hipótesis consiste en que tuvieron otra hija, en éste caso Gertrudis, pero la madre también Gertrudis muere el 7 de julio de 1724. ¿podría

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Informacíon que tengo en mis Nota's sobre Cristobal Villaseñor:

Cristobal Villaseñor fue Teniente alcalde de "San Miguel de Los Alba" que ahora pertence a Encarnacion de Diaz "La Chona". El fue dueño de varias propiedadas que ahora pertencen a Tepatitlan y Jalostotitlan. Cristobal Villaseñor nacio en Aguascalientes.

El se caso dos veces, la primera ves con Gertrudis Franco de Paredes y la segunda ves con Maria Perez Luxano

Yo desciendo del primer matrimonio. De su primer matrimonio nacío Juana "Ana" Gertrudis Villaseñor y Franco de Paredes. Juana "Ana" Gertrudis de Villaseñor y Franco de Paredes fue bautizada el 6/Aug/1724. Su esposo, Joseph Thoribio Muñoz de la Barba fue bautizado el 28/Apr/1718 en San Juan de los Lagos. El murio el 22//Nov/1779. Juana "Ana" Gertrudis y Joseph Thoribio se casaron el 9/Oct/1743.

Del segundo matrimonio tuvo por lo menos dos hijos, a) Maria Rosalia Villaseñor Luxano bautizada el 23/Apr/1746, y b) Juan de Villaseñor que se caso con Rosalia de la

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Hola Marcelina,

El Cristobal Villaseñor que yo busco nacio en Aguascalientes y algunos genealogos lo tienen como hijo de Gonzalo de Villaseñor- Theresa de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra.
(Puruándiro, Michoacan 1636)

Gertrudis Franco de Paredes no es la misma que se llama Gertrudis Olmedo. Puede ser que Cristobal tuvo tres esposas. El Cristobal Villaseñor que estaba casado con Gertrudis Olmedo vivia en Guanajuato.

El Cristobal Villaseñor casado con Gertrudis Franco de Paredes tambien se caso con Maria Perez Luxano (Lujano).

Gracias,
Ricardo