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I descend from Joseph Eusebio Tello de Orosco and Ana Beatriz Gutierrez

They are related "segundo grado" according to their marriage record. That would mean that they are first cousins. The record also states that there is a marriage dispensation, but I haven't found it. I have her ancestors but am having trouble finding his. I am not even sure if I am correctly reading his parents names. I would like to hear other members opinions as to his parent's names.

Here is the link:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KMSZ-P1?mode=g&i=158&wc=3J…

Joseph Husebio De Orosco
Spouse's Name Beatris Gutierres
Event Date 12 Jun 1752
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCF3-WPV : 15 July 2015), Joseph Husebio De Orosco and Beatris Gutierres, 12 Jun 1752; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 218,517.

Plan B would be to get all her uncles and aunts families together and see if I can figure out how they are first cousins.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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It appears that Joseph Eusebio de Orozco's parents, Juan Antonio de Orozco/Gutiérrez and Juana Efigenia Franco, married in Tepatitlán ca. 1720, but I have not been able to locate their marriage document.

Based on the marriage dispensation details, Joseph Eusebio Gutiérrez de Orozco & Anna Beatriz Gutiérrez were not first cousins (parentesco de consanguinidad en segundo grado igual) but rather half-aunt/half-nephew (parentesco de consanguinidad en primero con segundo grado). This is based on the evidence "la duda que hay es que dicen que Juan Antonio de Orozco mi padre es hermano de Ana Beatriz Gutiérrez mi pretensa".

Acta matrimonial de Joseph Eusebio Gutiérrez de Orozco & Anna Beatriz Gutiérrez - 12 Junio 1752, Tepatitlán

Fueron dispensados de un parentesco de consanguinidad en segundo grado igual.

"En esta Santa Yglesia Parrochial de tecpatitlán en dose días del mes de Junio de mill Setecientos Sinquenta y dos años, casé y Velé infacie Eclecie Según orden de Nuestra Santa

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Dear Steven,

Thank you very much for sharing your findings and for providing sources. Happy to go a little further on this line. I am assuming that this Andres Sanchez Carranza descends from the Andres Sanchez Carranza that is a son of Diego Sanchez Carranza. if I remember correctly, the Sanchez Carranza branch of the family had at least a couple other entanglements where they needed marriage dispensations.

I hadn't heard from you in a while and was afraid that you had abandoned genealogical research! So it was a double blessing, first to see that you have continued researching, and second that your research is helping me with my research. Please let me know if you have any lines that you want me to research.

Gracias Primo,

Rick

Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Lun, 2017-04-10 19:26 | Enlace permanente

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I called up a distant cousin to let him know what we had found out about Joseph Eusebio Tello de Orosco and Ana Beatriz Gutierrez. He was shocked about the information and immediately said something about me wanting to keep this news about my family tree a secret. He went on and on as if only I descend from Joseph Eusebio Tello de Orosco and Ana Beatriz Gutierrez. He was so disgusted that I never got around to telling him that the reason I was calling him was because he too descended from Joseph Eusebio Tello de Orosco and Ana Beatriz Gutierrez.

By my calculations, using the variable of 8 to 10 as the number of generations in a 265 year period, and an average of five children per generations, there are between 400,000 and 2,000,000 descendants of Joseph Eusebio Tello de Orosco and Ana Beatriz Gutierrez spread out mainly in Tepatitlan, Pegueros, Valle de Guadalupe, and Jalostotitlan. And yes, many thousands of descendants no longer live in Los Altos de Jalisco. There are at least

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Anna Beatriz Gutierrez's parents are

Joseph Gutierres De Hermosillo
Spouse's Name Petronila De Ornelas Y Baldibia
Event Date 22 Feb 1702
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico

I believe that Joseph Eugenio Tello de Orosco's parents are Juan Antonio Tello de Orozco and Juana Efigenia Franco. But I'm not sure. They are related related "segundo grado". I thought that meant first cousin. Is there another relationship that is "segundo grado?"

Where would I look for the marriage dispensation?

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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Mr. Ricci,

Those are the correct names of the parents. They're mentioned here in Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara in this somewhat interesting dispensa:

Tepatitlán de Morelos. Jal Mayo 19 de 1752 Exp 27 - Dispensa ad cautelam del impedimento dudoso de primero con segundo grado de consanguinidad por copula ilícita - Joseph Eusebio de Orozco, español de 25 años de edad, originario y vecino de esta feligresía de San Francisco de Tecpatitlan. en el puesto del Carnicero, hijo legítimo de Juan Antonio de Orozco y de Juana Efigenia Franco, con Ana Beatriz Gutiérrez, española de 26 años de edad, originaria y vecina de esta dicha feligresía en dicho puesto, hija legítima de Joseph Gutiérrez, difunto y de Petra de Ornelas Declaración del pretenso Dicen tenemos parentesco aunque no se sabe ser cierto pues cuando dicho mi padre se casó con dicha mi madre, he oído decir no se amonestó por hijo natural de Joseph Gutiérrez, sino por hijo de padres no conocidos, y la duda que hay es que dicen que Juan

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Danny,

Thank you for helping me out. That was unexpected. I guess Juan Antonio's mother was Tello de Orosco. I still cannot find anything on Juana Efigenia Franco. I did know something was out of the ordinary because the surnames were not the right surnames for first cousins. Please send me the link so that I may inspect the record for more clues.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci