Mary,

Depending on the type of record you have at home it may not be as 
accurate as the baptismal record. For the purpose of establishing a 
date of birth a baptismal record would be considered the primary 
source, than say a death record. The person giving the deceased's 
date of birth for the death certificate was anyone but the deceased, 
so they could easily make a mistake.  The spelling of the name 
(Refugio vs. Refugia) I wouldn't be too concerned with either.  I've 
seen records where the priest writes the name two different ways in 
the same record!  If all the names and the place and time period 
match up, then it is likely the same Petra Romero you are researching.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@s...> 
wrote:
>
> I actually do have that record and I have been studying it because 
in records at home I found her birthdate as June 8, 1873.  Perhaps 
the 1872 date is incorrect.    I recall as a girl that she would 
insist she was indeed from  "Salinas" not "Sabinas??"   Everything 
else matches except that her mom's name is spelled Refugio on the 
paper work I have found, mostly handwritten notes here and there. I 
also have her death certificate. And that's about it.   Thank you so 
much, Jose.       Mary (Garana) Allen
> 
> jose munoz <jmunoz2781@y...> wrote:Mary Allen, do you have this 
record?
> 
> IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International
> Genealogical Index v5.0 
>   Mexico 
> PETRA ROMERO GONZALES  
>   Female 
> Event(s): 
> Birth:  
> Christening:  27 MAY 1872   Nuestro Padre Jesus,
> Salinas Del Penon Blanco, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
> 
> Parents: 
>   Father:  VICTOR ROMERO  Family 
>   Mother:  REFUGIA GONZALES 
> 
> Source Information: 
> Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout
> Call No.:  Type:  
> 
> Batch: K601881  1864 - 1875  Film #0708217  
> 
> Just Curious
> 
> Jose Munoz
> Yuba City, Ca.
> 
> 
> --- Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@s...> wrote:
> 
> > Jonathan, you are so kind and encouraging.
> >  
> > I am especially concerned about my grandfather  Jose
> > Adalberto Garana.  This is all I know about him:  
> > He was born in 1873 in Mexico but I don't know
> > where. I don't know his father's name but I believe
> > his mother was Maria Garana. This leads me to
> > believe that his father's name was something else. 
> > He was educated by the Augustinians and the Jesuits.
> >    He married Petra Romero Gonzalez of Salinas, SLP,
> > probably in 1904 and lived in San Luis Potosi, SLP, 
> > and had a son in 1905 and daughters in 1907 and
> > 1911.  In 1917 he crossed through El Paso with his
> > wife and three children and others hired to work on
> > the Santa Fe railroad.  They went to Fort Madison,
> > Iowa.  I find him again in 1921 in San Antonio, Tx. 
> > He died in Corpus Christi, Tx in 1958.   
> >  
> > Of my great grandfather I have found even less. 
> > Victor Romero married Refugio Gonzalez and had a
> > daughter Petra Romero Gonzalez in 1873 in Salinas,
> > SLP.  I have found a photo of him dated 1894 with a
> > woman identified as his wife, who  is not Refugio
> > Gonzalez.This much I know from Petra herself whom I
> > knew.     That's it.  That's all I have been able to
> > find out.
> >  
> > I am still digging but if you can help me I will be
> > so grateful.  I found a photo of a nun, dated 1967. 
> > I sent copies to my nun friends and one of them took
> > the photo to Mexico City and actually found the nun,
> > alive, alert and 93.  I am planning to go very soon
> > to visit with her.  I believe she may be the child
> > of the woman in the photo with Don Victor.  I will
> > let you know what I find.
> > 
> > Mary Garana Allen
> > mexicanfhr <jonathan@m...> wrote:
> > Mary,
> > 
> > If you could tell me, the names and what
> > information, that you have on
> > the grandfathers, that you are searching for.  I'll
> > see if I can find
> > anything.
> > 
> > Also, to all of the Ranchos members,  if you have
> > elusive ancestor,
> > send me the information.  And I will see, if I can
> > find anything.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Jonathan
> > 
> > 
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen
> > <mary.allen3770@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, Jonathan:  I am one of the newer members,
> > not only in Ranchos
> > but in the whole genealogy experience itself. I have
> > been working
> > steadily for about nine years and made a lot of
> > "progress" but was
> > striking out in all directions and actually don't
> > even know if I was
> > running into ancestors or not.  Then I ran into
> > Ranchos and it put the
> > whole thing into focus.  Now I am rather excited
> > because by sending
> > out copies of an unidentified photo, I actually have
> > my first "hit".
> > It is a living person, 93 years old, who is the
> > granddaughter of the
> > very man I was looking up.  I may really need some
> > help later but in a
> > couple of weeks I am flying to Mexico City to meet
> > this person who is
> > willing to receive me.  I will see what she can give
> > me; I understand
> > she is very alert.    I definitely will need help
> > with the other
> > grandfather who absolutely hides from  me:  The
> > secret may be in Salt
> > Lake City.   I have ordered some of the films,
> > waited a very long time
> > to receive them only to realize I
> > >  had not been careful in calculating the time
> > line.
> > > I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and 
> > you  with relish! 
> > It is almost as if I am sitting on the sidelines
> > listening to you
> > speak to each other.  Exciting.   One day I hope to
> > have something to
> > say.     Mary Garana Allen
> > > 
> > > mexicanfhr <jonathan@m...> wrote:
> > > Sorry, for the confusion, that my uploading of my
> > file has caused.  I
> > > created my file, with wordperfect (meaning, that I
> > have never used
> > > excel yet.)  I just wanted to share with the
> > group, what films and
> > > other resources, that the FHC, here in Logan has. 
> > Because I only do
> > > about 25% of my research, that the Logan Family
> > History Center.  The
> > > other 75% of my research, is done at the Family
> > History Library, in
> > > Salt Lake.  so, in reality, I have access, to all
> > the films that the
> > > Family History Library has, and it does not cost
> > me anything, to order
> > > them.
> > > 
> > > Thus saying that, I can say if, anyone needs a
> > occasional lookup, they
> > > can contact me, and see when I will be in Salt
> > Lake. And can do the
> > > Lookup. 
> > > 
> > > Also, if there are other group members, here in
> > Utah.  That may be
> > > able to help, with lookups at the FHL.
> > > 
> > > Jonathan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes
> > <makas@n...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you are using Excel then why can't it be that
> > we all create Excel 
> > > > files and upload them once into the files area.
> > It seems that asking
> > > you 
> > > > to do double the work by re-entering them into
> > the database in
> > Ranchos 
> > > > is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe
> > I'm missing
> > something. 
> > > > Is there an advantage to this particular data
> > base in the databases
> > > over 
> > > > an excel file in the files area?
> > > > 
> > > > I think the only difference is that for some
> > they won't do it unless 
> > > > encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in
> > the databases (me
> > > being 
> > > > an example. . .yes I hear the message and will
> > be working on my own 
> > > > excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm
> > so sorry to say that 
> > > > truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for
> > my own personal 
> > > > research and all I'll do is be a big tease by
> > putting my films up
> > > giving 
> > > > the impression I'll be able to do look ups. .
> > .well I' might be
> > able to 
> > > > do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or
> > Jonathan were to ask for
> > some).
> > > > 
> > > > Here is my definition of a look up though:
> > "Providing a photocopy or 
> > > > scan of a persons requested record if the
> > researcher is provided with 
> > > > the complete name (first and last) and the date
> > of the occasion (no 
> > > > approximates)."
> > > > 
> > > > thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > joseph
> > > > 
> > > > mexicanfhr wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >Maria,
> > > > >
> > > > >I will try and use your database, when I have
> > the chance.  My
> > > > >situation is that I am using over 300 films,
> > right now and I am just
> > > > >barely getting them, into my database.  So
> > once, that is done.  I'll
> > > > >work on putting them, into your database.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jonathan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
> 
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Peggy:

We don't literally "have" the films in our possession... rather, they 
are at our local family history center on "indefinite" loan.  They 
put films into such a status when someone has renewed the same film 
three times... basically meaning it is a critical or heavy use film 
in that family history center.  I personally don't have any on such 
status but people who have been at this a lot do... After all it is 
only $12 to get a film to stay at your center... it is worth it.

Podcasts are audio clips that can be downloaded to your computer to 
be listened to and if you like they can be synchronized to an iPod to 
listen to on your way to work, etc.  If you don't have an iPod you 
can still listen to them on your computer.

Check out this link for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
> 
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual 
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time.  
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in 
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request 
copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing 
wrong?  Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost 
more?
> 
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying 
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  
I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people 
being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there 
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these 
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's 
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
> 
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming 
off "whiny"...sorry.
> 
> Signed
> 
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to 
ranchos
> 
> 
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create 
Excel
>   files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that 
asking you
>   to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in 
Ranchos
>   is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing 
something.
>   Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the 
databases over
>   an excel file in the files area?
> 
>   I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it 
unless
>   encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases 
(me being
>   an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my 
own
>   excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say 
that
>   truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal
>   research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up 
giving
>   the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be 
able to
>   do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for 
some).
> 
>   Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy 
or
>   scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided 
with
>   the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion 
(no
>   approximates)."
> 
>   thanks,
> 
>   joseph
> 
>   mexicanfhr wrote:
> 
>   >Maria,
>   >
>   >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
>   >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am 
just
>   >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  
I'll
>   >work on putting them, into your database.
>   >
>   >Jonathan
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
> 
> 
> 
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Sorry, for the confusion, that my uploading of my file has caused.  I
created my file, with wordperfect (meaning, that I have never used
excel yet.)  I just wanted to share with the group, what films and
other resources, that the FHC, here in Logan has.  Because I only do
about 25% of my research, that the Logan Family History Center.  The
other 75% of my research, is done at the Family History Library, in
Salt Lake.  so, in reality, I have access, to all the films that the
Family History Library has, and it does not cost me anything, to order
them.

Thus saying that, I can say if, anyone needs a occasional lookup, they
can contact me, and see when I will be in Salt Lake. And can do the
Lookup. 

Also, if there are other group members, here in Utah.  That may be
able to help, with lookups at the FHL.

Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel 
> files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that asking
you 
> to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in Ranchos 
> is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing something. 
> Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the databases
over 
> an excel file in the files area?
> 
> I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it unless 
> encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases (me
being 
> an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my own 
> excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say that 
> truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal 
> research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up
giving 
> the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be able to 
> do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for some).
> 
> Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy or 
> scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided with 
> the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion (no 
> approximates)."
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> mexicanfhr wrote:
> 
> >Maria,
> >
> >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
> >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am just
> >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  I'll
> >work on putting them, into your database.
> >
> >Jonathan
> >
> >
> >  
> >
>

For how long, the films stay at the FHC, depends on the Center. 
Especially, on how much room, they have.  Some centers, once the films
 go on indefinite loan, they stay forever.  Others stay until, the
center decides to send, them back.  That is why it is called "Indinite 
Loan".  In my center, thay stay forever,  I have not had a indefinite
loan film, go back to Salt Lake.

Also, in some centers, they have film copiers and scanners, where you
can make your own copies, of the documents, that you want.

If you have more questions, let them fly.  I am sure that between all
of us here in the Ranchos group & the Mexicanfhr group, we can find a
answer, for you.

Thanks,
Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
> 
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time. 
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
 Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost more?
> 
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
> 
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming off
"whiny"...sorry.
> 
> Signed
> 
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
> 
> 
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel
>   files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that
asking you
>   to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in Ranchos
>   is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing something.
>   Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the
databases over
>   an excel file in the files area?
> 
>   I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it unless
>   encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases (me
being
>   an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my own
>   excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say that
>   truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal
>   research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up
giving
>   the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be
able to
>   do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for
some).
> 
>   Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy or
>   scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided with
>   the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion (no
>   approximates)."
> 
>   thanks,
> 
>   joseph
> 
>   mexicanfhr wrote:
> 
>   >Maria,
>   >
>   >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
>   >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am just
>   >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  I'll
>   >work on putting them, into your database.
>   >
>   >Jonathan
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
> 
> 
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Mary,

If you could tell me, the names and what information, that you have on
the grandfathers, that you are searching for.  I'll see if I can find
anything.

Also, to all of the Ranchos members,  if you have elusive ancestor,
send me the information.  And I will see, if I can find anything.

Thanks,
Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@s...> wrote:
>
> Hello, Jonathan:  I am one of the newer members, not only in Ranchos
but in the whole genealogy experience itself. I have been working
steadily for about nine years and made a lot of "progress" but was
striking out in all directions and actually don't even know if I was
running into ancestors or not.  Then I ran into Ranchos and it put the
whole thing into focus.  Now I am rather excited because by sending
out copies of an unidentified photo, I actually have my first "hit".
It is a living person, 93 years old, who is the granddaughter of the
very man I was looking up.  I may really need some help later but in a
couple of weeks I am flying to Mexico City to meet this person who is
willing to receive me.  I will see what she can give me; I understand
she is very alert.    I definitely will need help with the other
grandfather who absolutely hides from  me:  The secret may be in Salt
Lake City.   I have ordered some of the films, waited a very long time
to receive them only to realize I
>  had not been careful in calculating the time line.
> I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and  you  with relish! 
It is almost as if I am sitting on the sidelines listening to you
speak to each other.  Exciting.   One day I hope to have something to
say.     Mary Garana Allen
> 
> mexicanfhr <jonathan@m...> wrote:
> Sorry, for the confusion, that my uploading of my file has caused.  I
> created my file, with wordperfect (meaning, that I have never used
> excel yet.)  I just wanted to share with the group, what films and
> other resources, that the FHC, here in Logan has.  Because I only do
> about 25% of my research, that the Logan Family History Center.  The
> other 75% of my research, is done at the Family History Library, in
> Salt Lake.  so, in reality, I have access, to all the films that the
> Family History Library has, and it does not cost me anything, to order
> them.
> 
> Thus saying that, I can say if, anyone needs a occasional lookup, they
> can contact me, and see when I will be in Salt Lake. And can do the
> Lookup. 
> 
> Also, if there are other group members, here in Utah.  That may be
> able to help, with lookups at the FHL.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> >
> > If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel 
> > files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that asking
> you 
> > to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in
Ranchos 
> > is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing
something. 
> > Is there an advantage to this particular data base in the databases
> over 
> > an excel file in the files area?
> > 
> > I think the only difference is that for some they won't do it unless 
> > encouraged by Maria to participate in the one in the databases (me
> being 
> > an example. . .yes I hear the message and will be working on my own 
> > excel file sometime in the near future, but i'm so sorry to say that 
> > truthfully I hardly get into the FHC anymore for my own personal 
> > research and all I'll do is be a big tease by putting my films up
> giving 
> > the impression I'll be able to do look ups. . .well I' might be
able to 
> > do a few, especially if Kitty or Rich or Jonathan were to ask for
some).
> > 
> > Here is my definition of a look up though: "Providing a photocopy or 
> > scan of a persons requested record if the researcher is provided with 
> > the complete name (first and last) and the date of the occasion (no 
> > approximates)."
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > joseph
> > 
> > mexicanfhr wrote:
> > 
> > >Maria,
> > >
> > >I will try and use your database, when I have the chance.  My
> > >situation is that I am using over 300 films, right now and I am just
> > >barely getting them, into my database.  So once, that is done.  I'll
> > >work on putting them, into your database.
> > >
> > >Jonathan
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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