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That is the way I feel.  I have discovered so much, and I have written it down.  I have shared my information with the family, and I find myself now in a position that everyone is sending me photos, stories, and stuff.  I am loving it!

 

I too feel that I am in a race against time.

Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

well yes I am interested if I have any Jewish blood in me. but mainly I'm wanting to see if I might be related to others in the FamilyTreeDNA Mexican Surname project or to anyone in their database in general. I also have strong suspicions I'm related to a few people in the group and would love it if they were to join the project so we'd know for sure and maybe it would motivate us in how we persue our research.

I'm also wanting to get several of my relatives to take the test just to establish our genes for future generations to compare to.

My whole thing about this genealogy "thing" is to do as much work as I can before I die. I want to leave things as "tidy" as I can so someone coming after me 10 generations from now will be able to pick up and start from where I left off. I figure it can't hurt to leave as many organized clues and "leads to further info" as
possible.

joseph

Dan Solis wrote:



Joseph,


   What are you hoping to find?  Any idea?  My mother and uncle (her bother) had DNA testing done and the results is that they have European Jewish genes.  My mother's family tree goes thru Mexico, Spain, France and Germany. 


 


Needless to say, it was an eye opener.  It also shed some light in many areas, like customs, receipts, and family oral stories.  Currently, I am researching Sephardi traditions.  So far, I have found many similarities.


 


Please keep us inform with your results.


 



Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

This is not directly related to our geographical areas of research but of general importance to our geneological advancement

Just wanted to share this message sent to me by George Gause on DNA testing. It is so interesting that connections were made and now they are striving to make the paper connection. I became part of the DNA testing project about 3-4 weeks ago. My results are not back yet but I'd like to encourage some of you to be part of this project as well.

joseph

================================
Villarreal DNA Testing Match



As you know the Villarreal DNA project which is part of the Mexican Dna Project has had some success. Danny Villarreal from Harlingen Texas and Ed Villarreal who lives in Chicago have come up as exact genetic matches. This means that we have a same common ancestor. I thi! nk the
common ancestor is Diego de Villarreal my 9th great grandfather who was born in 1601. We are working at tracing Ed's family tree and are within one generation away from Diego. We are just trying to figure which son he came from.  One common finding is that we are classified as Haplogroup E3b which means we are of Jewish origins and our closest genetic cousins so far are mostly Eastern European Jews.  A small percentage of Sephardic Jews or Spanish Jews are Ashkenazi Jews. I have made big leaps in my own research and have found more than one Villarreal family in
Mexico. Diego had an uncle and several cousins. His father was General Francisco de Villarreal and there were two in the family whom were priests one was the tercer cura de Saltillo 1647 to 1667 . This was either his brother or cousin. It seems strange that the inquisition was after them and they were clergy. The parish priest of Saltillo once complained to the inquisition about Don Diego whom he described as riding a horse, wearing silk clothing and jewelry even though those privileges were denied by law to a descendant of parents who had been converted from Judaism to Catholicism as
adults. This contradicts what I have found. One strange fact is that I can
?t find the names of any of the mothers or wives of his father and grandfather.  Anyhow, just thought Id share this with you.

This is the link for the Mexican DNA project
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

Later


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Cool about your brother. I wish I knew him better as all that computer
stuff sounds great. Anyway mandale un que tal from me.



as for the procedure its very painless. Some morning you don't eat or
drink and immediately take this scraper and vigoriously scrape the
inside of your cheek. After about a minute you take the "residue"
that's on the scraper and insert the tip and all in the collection vial
and push and the whole tip gets injected into the solution. You cap it
and wait a few hours and do it again making sure you haven't eaten for
an hour or so before the other collection. Details are on the website
http://www.familytreedna.com/ they have a nice set of tutorial videos
and give info on the male/female testing question.



and yes I'll let you all know what my results are,



joseph







Irma GomezLucero wrote:


cite="">


class="721434317-21042004">Hello Joseph,

class="721434317-21042004">    Please keep us up to date on your
results.  I've been interested in this myself, but I had thought that
it could only be done with samples from a male member of the family.  I
had been working on my brother to do this.  He's a criminalist and has
access to computer software that tests DNA for solving crimes, etc., 
As a test, he and other co-workers ran DNA on their blood samples--I'm
sure it wasn't as detailed as this project.  The results concluded that
he had DNA that was consistant with being descended from two
individuals who had some similar DNA.  He and the only other Hispanic
had the same results.  :)  He was told that this was common in small
towns.  Of course by then, I had already connected some of my lines. 
Interesting, huh?  I find the Jewish link interesting too being that I
have a Perez line.

class="721434317-21042004">    Could you give us more info on the
procedure?

class="721434317-21042004">Thanks, Irma  

face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----

From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:09 AM

To: LosRanchos; Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] DNA Testing



This is not directly related to our geographical areas of research but
of general importance to our geneological advancement



Just wanted to share this message sent to me by George Gause on DNA
testing. It is so interesting that connections were made and now they
are striving to make the paper connection. I became part of the DNA
testing project about 3-4 weeks ago. My results are not back yet but
I'd like to encourage some of you to be part of this project as well.



joseph



================================

Villarreal DNA Testing Match


style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">As
you know the Villarreal DNA project which is part of the Mexican Dna
Project has had some success. Danny Villarreal from

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style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Harlingen

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style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Texas

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and Ed Villarreal who lives in

color="black" size="2">
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have come up as exact genetic matches. This means that we have a same
common ancestor. I think the common ancestor is Diego de Villarreal my
9th great grandfather who was born in 1601. We are working at tracing
Ed's family tree and are within one generation away from Diego. We are
just trying to figure which son he came from.  One common finding is
that we are classified as Haplogroup E3b which means we are of Jewish
origins and our closest genetic cousins so far are mostly Eastern
European Jews.  A small percentage of Sephardic Jews or Spanish Jews
are Ashkenazi Jews. I have made big leaps in my own research and have
found more than one Villarreal family in

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Mexico

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style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">.
Diego had an uncle and several cousins. His father was General
Francisco de Villarreal and there were two in the family whom were
priests one was the tercer cura de

color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Saltillo

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1647 to 1667 . This was either his brother or cousin. It seems strange
that the inquisition was after them and they were clergy. The parish
priest of

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once complained to the inquisition about Don Diego whom he described as
riding a horse, wearing silk clothing and jewelry even though those
privileges were denied by law to a descendant of parents who had been
converted from Judaism to Catholicism

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adults. This contradicts what I have found. One strange fact is that I
can

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find the names of any of the mothers or wives of his father and
grandfather.  Anyhow

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j

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thought Id share this with you.



This is the link for the Mexican DNA project

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href="http://members.tripod.com/%7EGaryFelix/index63.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

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style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Danny
Villarreal

SOURCE: Danny Villarreal

style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Daniel5822@...">Daniel5822@...




Comentario


well yes I am interested if I have any Jewish blood in me. but mainly
I'm wanting to see if I might be related to others in the FamilyTreeDNA
Mexican Surname project or to anyone in their database in general. I
also have strong suspicions I'm related to a few people in the group
and would love it if they were to join the project so we'd know for
sure and maybe it would motivate us in how we persue our research.



I'm also wanting to get several of my relatives to take the test just
to establish our genes for future generations to compare to.



My whole thing about this genealogy "thing" is to do as much work as I
can before I die. I want to leave things as "tidy" as I can so someone
coming after me 10 generations from now will be able to pick up and
start from where I left off. I figure it can't hurt to leave as many
organized clues and "leads to further info" as possible.



joseph



Dan Solis wrote:


cite="">


style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Joseph,


style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">   What are you hoping to
find?  Any idea?  My mother and uncle (her bother) had DNA testing done
and the results is that they have European Jewish genes.  My mother's
family tree goes thru Mexico, Spain, France and Germany. 


style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> 


style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Needless to say, it was
an eye opener.  It also shed some light in many areas, like customs,
receipts, and family oral stories.  Currently, I am researching
Sephardi traditions.  So far, I have found many similarities.


style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> 


style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Please keep us inform
with your results.


style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> 





Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:


style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">

This
is not directly related to our geographical areas of research but of
general importance to our geneological advancement



Just wanted to share this message sent to me by George Gause on DNA
testing. It is so interesting that connections were made and now they
are striving to make the paper connection. I became part of the DNA
testing project about 3-4 weeks ago. My results are not back yet but
I'd like to encourage some of you to be part of this project as well.



joseph



================================

Villarreal DNA Testing Match


style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">As
you know the Villarreal DNA project which is part of the Mexican Dna
Project has had some success. Danny Villarreal from

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Harlingen

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">

style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Texas

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">
and Ed Villarreal who lives in

color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Chicago

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">
have come up as exact genetic matches. This means that we have a same
common ancestor. I thi! nk the common ancestor is Diego de Villarreal
my 9th great grandfather who was born in 1601. We are working at
tracing Ed's family tree and are within one generation away from Diego.
We are just trying to figure which son he came from.  One common
finding is that we are classified as Haplogroup E3b which means we are
of Jewish origins and our closest genetic cousins so far are mostly
Eastern European Jews.  A small percentage of Sephardic Jews or Spanish
Jews are Ashkenazi Jews. I have made big leaps in my own research and
have found more than one Villarreal family in

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Mexico

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">.
Diego had an uncle and several cousins. His father was General
Francisco de Villarreal and there were two in the family whom were
priests one was the tercer cura de

color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Saltillo

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">
1647 to 1667 . This was either his brother or cousin. It seems strange
that the inquisition was after them and they were clergy. The parish
priest of

style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">Saltillo

face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">
once complained to the inquisition about Don Diego whom he described as
riding a horse, wearing silk clothing and jewelry even though those
privileges were denied by law to a descendant of parents who had been
converted from Judaism to Catholicism

color="navy" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: navy; font-family: Geneva;">

style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; font-family: Geneva;">as
adults. This contradicts what I have found. One strange fact is that I
can

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face="Geneva" color="black" size="2">
style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">t
find the names of any of the mothers or wives of his father and
grandfather.  Anyhow

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style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: navy; font-family: Geneva;">,
j

style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: black; font-family: Geneva;">ust
thought Id share this with you.



This is the link for the Mexican DNA project

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style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 50%; font-size: 10pt; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; color: blue; font-family: Geneva;">
href="http://members.tripod.com/%7EGaryFelix/index63.htm">http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

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style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Danny
Villarreal

SOURCE: Danny Villarreal

style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Daniel5822@...">Daniel5822@...



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How exciting, this DNA testing.  As a Villarreal, I have been following Danny's research for a long time.  I happen to know Ed Villarreal, and have not seen him for over 20 years.  You guys helped me get in touch with him again.

 

Esperanza

Comentario


Joseph,


   What are you hoping to find?  Any idea?  My mother and uncle (her bother) had DNA testing done and the results is that they have European Jewish genes.  My mother's family tree goes thru Mexico, Spain, France and Germany. 


 


Needless to say, it was an eye opener.  It also shed some light in many areas, like customs, receipts, and family oral stories.  Currently, I am researching Sephardi traditions.  So far, I have found many similarities.


 


Please keep us inform with your results.


 



Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

This is not directly related to our geographical areas of research but of general importance to our geneological advancement

Just wanted to share this message sent to me by George Gause on DNA testing. It is so interesting that connections were made and now they are striving to make the paper connection. I became part of the DNA testing project about 3-4 weeks ago. My results are not back yet but I'd like to encourage some of you to be part of this project as well.

joseph

================================
Villarreal DNA Testing Match



As you know the Villarreal DNA project which is part of the Mexican Dna Project has had some success. Danny Villarreal from Harlingen Texas and Ed Villarreal who lives in Chicago have come up as exact genetic matches. This means that we have a same common ancestor. I think the
common ancestor is Diego de Villarreal my 9th great grandfather who was born in 1601. We are working at tracing Ed's family tree and are within one generation away from Diego. We are just trying to figure which son he came from.  One common finding is that we are classified as Haplogroup E3b which means we are of Jewish origins and our closest genetic cousins so far are mostly Eastern European Jews.  A small percentage of Sephardic Jews or Spanish Jews are Ashkenazi Jews. I have made big leaps in my own research and have found more than one Villarreal family in
Mexico. Diego had an uncle and several cousins. His father was General Francisco de Villarreal and there were two in the family whom were priests one was the tercer cura de Saltillo 1647 to 1667 . This was either his brother or cousin. It seems strange that the inquisition was after them and they were clergy. The parish priest of Saltillo once complained to the inquisition about Don Diego whom he described as riding a horse, wearing silk clothing and jewelry even though those privileges were denied by law to a descendant of parents who had been converted from Judaism to Catholicism as adults. This contradicts what I have found. One strange fact is that I can?t find the names of any of the mothers or wives of his father and grandfather.  Anyhow, just thought Id share this with you.

This is the link for the Mexican DNA project
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

Later


Danny Villarreal
SOURCE: Danny Villarreal
Daniel5822@...




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