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Hello and Welcome Jose,

I know exactly how you feel.  I too was born and
raised in the US and have found that while I am here
in the US many people ask me where I am from and I say
I am from the US.  They do not accept that response,
when I say that I am Mexican they say, "OH, Yes. I see
it in you."
Now when I am in Mexico I am confronted with the same
from Mexican citizens.  They ask me where I am from
and do not accept my response that I am from
Zacatecas.  They tell me that I speak with an accent
and that I am not from Mexico.  I tell them that I was
born in the US and they say, "Si, claro, eres
Chicana."
I guess I can say like La India Maria, NO soy ni de
aqui ni de alla. Then i like to quote Selena
Quintanilla's father, Abraham, when he told her that
"When we are in the US we (Mexican-Americans) have to
be more American than the Americans to be accepted and
when we are in Mexico, we need to be more Mexican than
the Mexicans."

I don't know where I was going with that.
I do want to ask you, however, about your ancestors
from Villa De Cos.  May I ask whom they were and how
far away they lived from Hacienda El Mezquite,
Zacatecas.  I have ancestors that lived (and possibly
worked) in this Hacienda.

I know that Villa de Cos is very close to SLP.
Hacienda El Mezquite is in between Fresnillo and Villa
de Cos.

Dora

--- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:

> I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
> messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
> hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
> example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy
> of
> the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
> baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather
> baptized
> as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
> apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.
> 
> I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
> Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
> matters is they can not accept the fact they are
> Indian decent mixed with espanoles. 
> 
> I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
> proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
> espanol. His brothers and sisters married
> espanoles/las. But Ysidro Munoz married an Yndia. My
> 3th Great, Roque Munoz 1760, a mestizo was at times
> recorded on Bautismo records as espanol, coyote, and
> lobo? Why such a thing? They were from Rancho de
> Banon, Zac., 2nd great Francisco Munoz 1786 a
> mestizo,
> from Hacienda de Grunidora, 1st great Teofilo Munoz
> 1817, from Hacienda Grunidora, SLP, no race given,
> and
> my granfather Jose Angel Munoz Ybarra 1886, Hacienda
> De Solis, SLP, my line from 3rd marriage of
> Teofilo{age 69.. yes age 69}. My father Elpidio
> Munoz
> b. 1906  Hacienda de Solis, SLP. This is why I'm
> Mexican. My roots...
> 
> 
> Me: MUNOZ,YBARRA,TRISTAN,GALVAN...Villa de Cos, San
> Cosme, Burgo de San Cosme, Zacatecas. Grunidora,
> Hacienda Solis...SLP
> My spouse: LUNA, ARELLANO, CORTEZ, CORREA, SANDOVAL,
> CASTANEDA: Tlaltenango, Tepechitlan, Teul,
> Florencia,
> La Estancia, Cerro de Pantano
> 
> We have done our homework and research for nearly
> ten
> years. We still want to learn and share. 
> 
> Jose Munoz
> 
> --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Rock on, Carol!!!:)  Marge:)
> > 
> > 
> > On Jun 23, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Carol Lester wrote:
> > 
> > > I think it is so very sad that people can spend
> so
> > much time "talking" 
> > > about something they cannot change...and perhaps
> > if we would read the 
> > > Word of God and apply His principle of "seeing
> > each other as HE sees 
> > > us, there would never be an on-going
> conversation
> > such as is taking 
> > > place with the Ranchos group.   As one very wise
> > "human" was 
> > > paraphrased once long ago.."me thinks you all
> > protest too much..."   
> > > Come on, really, what does it matter anyway?  My
> > final thought...love 
> > > yourself; because you were created in the IMAGE
> of
> > a living GOD...and 
> > > I garantee all of you, He knew exactly what HE
> was
> > doing when He made 
> > > us.  He doesn't make junk...we do.  As for the
> > DNA?....HE MADE THAT 
> > > TOO!!!   
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: Emilia <auntyemfaustus@...>
> > >  Sent: Jun 23, 2005 7:48 AM
> > >  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > >  Subject: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
> > >
> > >  I just found an answer as to why, when my
> husband
> > and I have roots in
> > >  Mexico going back to the early 1700's, he and I
> > look so different. 
> > >  In message #277 Steven Francisco Hernandez
> Lopez
> > says "most people
> > >  will eiher have a lot of Inidan, Mestizo, or
> > Mulato line, or very
> > >  little to one at all---all the surnames and
> > families that I have so
> > >  far posted----were of the Spanish Hidalgo
> class".
> > >
> > >  I recall some of these names being in my
> > husband's family, and his
> > >  aunt in Mexico City told me that his family on
> > both sides, had never
> > >  mixed with Indians.  To furter quote Steven:
> > "Intermarriage was very
> > >  uncommon---to do so would be to kill all
> chances
> > of opportunity for
> > >  your children and descendants for all time". 
> My
> > husband's ancestors
> > >  were always merchants, business owners or
> > government officials." 
> > >  Mine were always "farmers" or "laborers".
> > >
> > >  So now there is a new term for me to wonder
> > about;  The Hidalgo
> > >  Class.  Is this where the term "Don" came
> from? 
> > Many of my ancestors
> > >  in the Juarez area on my mother's side had the
> > title Dn. or Da., and
> > >  they were always described as Espanol.  I just
> > thought the Dn. and
> > >  Da. described a landowner, a hacienda owner who
> > didn't work, only
> > >  managed his properties. Were they of the
> Hidalgo
> > Class?  I see
> > >  entries in records for children born in their
> > homes that had "padres
> > >  incognitos" but were "expuesto en la casa de
> > Dn--y--Da.X".  I guess
> > >  there was a never-ending supply of servants and
> > workers that way.
> > >
> > >  Emilie Garcia
> > >  Port Orchard, WA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  ________________________________________
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I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy of
the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather baptized
as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.

I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
matters is they can not accept the fact they are
Indian decent mixed with espanoles. 

I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
espanol. His brothers and sisters married
espanoles/las. But Ysidro Munoz married an Yndia. My
3th Great, Roque Munoz 1760, a mestizo was at times
recorded on Bautismo records as espanol, coyote, and
lobo? Why such a thing? They were from Rancho de
Banon, Zac., 2nd great Francisco Munoz 1786 a mestizo,
from Hacienda de Grunidora, 1st great Teofilo Munoz
1817, from Hacienda Grunidora, SLP, no race given, and
my granfather Jose Angel Munoz Ybarra 1886, Hacienda
De Solis, SLP, my line from 3rd marriage of
Teofilo{age 69.. yes age 69}. My father Elpidio Munoz
b. 1906  Hacienda de Solis, SLP. This is why I'm
Mexican. My roots...


Me: MUNOZ,YBARRA,TRISTAN,GALVAN...Villa de Cos, San
Cosme, Burgo de San Cosme, Zacatecas. Grunidora,
Hacienda Solis...SLP
My spouse: LUNA, ARELLANO, CORTEZ, CORREA, SANDOVAL,
CASTANEDA: Tlaltenango, Tepechitlan, Teul, Florencia,
La Estancia, Cerro de Pantano

We have done our homework and research for nearly ten
years. We still want to learn and share. 

Jose Munoz

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> Rock on, Carol!!!:)  Marge:)
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Carol Lester wrote:
> 
> > I think it is so very sad that people can spend so
> much time "talking" 
> > about something they cannot change...and perhaps
> if we would read the 
> > Word of God and apply His principle of "seeing
> each other as HE sees 
> > us, there would never be an on-going conversation
> such as is taking 
> > place with the Ranchos group.   As one very wise
> "human" was 
> > paraphrased once long ago.."me thinks you all
> protest too much..."   
> > Come on, really, what does it matter anyway?  My
> final thought...love 
> > yourself; because you were created in the IMAGE of
> a living GOD...and 
> > I garantee all of you, He knew exactly what HE was
> doing when He made 
> > us.  He doesn't make junk...we do.  As for the
> DNA?....HE MADE THAT 
> > TOO!!!   
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: Emilia <auntyemfaustus@...>
> >  Sent: Jun 23, 2005 7:48 AM
> >  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >  Subject: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
> >
> >  I just found an answer as to why, when my husband
> and I have roots in
> >  Mexico going back to the early 1700's, he and I
> look so different. 
> >  In message #277 Steven Francisco Hernandez Lopez
> says "most people
> >  will eiher have a lot of Inidan, Mestizo, or
> Mulato line, or very
> >  little to one at all---all the surnames and
> families that I have so
> >  far posted----were of the Spanish Hidalgo class".
> >
> >  I recall some of these names being in my
> husband's family, and his
> >  aunt in Mexico City told me that his family on
> both sides, had never
> >  mixed with Indians.  To furter quote Steven:
> "Intermarriage was very
> >  uncommon---to do so would be to kill all chances
> of opportunity for
> >  your children and descendants for all time".  My
> husband's ancestors
> >  were always merchants, business owners or
> government officials." 
> >  Mine were always "farmers" or "laborers".
> >
> >  So now there is a new term for me to wonder
> about;  The Hidalgo
> >  Class.  Is this where the term "Don" came from? 
> Many of my ancestors
> >  in the Juarez area on my mother's side had the
> title Dn. or Da., and
> >  they were always described as Espanol.  I just
> thought the Dn. and
> >  Da. described a landowner, a hacienda owner who
> didn't work, only
> >  managed his properties. Were they of the Hidalgo
> Class?  I see
> >  entries in records for children born in their
> homes that had "padres
> >  incognitos" but were "expuesto en la casa de
> Dn--y--Da.X".  I guess
> >  there was a never-ending supply of servants and
> workers that way.
> >
> >  Emilie Garcia
> >  Port Orchard, WA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________________
> >  PeoplePC Online
> >  A better way to Internet
> > http://www.peoplepc.com
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 	? 	To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/
> >  
> > 	? 	To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
> to:
> > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >  
> > 	? 	Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
> Yahoo! Terms of 
> > Service.
> >
> 


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