Susana and Arturo,

Read my message about ADABI.  How about contacting that group and ask 
them to consider these records for a project?

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
wrote:
>
> Susana:
> 
> If you read my previous message you will note that there are in 
fact 
> a great deal of records at the Inmaculada parrish in Jerez that are 
> not filmed... Leonardo de la Torre Berumen has transcribed a great 
> deal of these records but filming them would also be valuable.  I 
> don't know if it is going to be possible given the condition that 
> they are in and according to Leonardo make them difficult to film 
and 
> is perhaps the reason why they passed them up in the first place.
> 
> There are also records in Colotlan that are not filmed.  The priest 
> there is obstinate about not allowing access so it would require 
> permission from the bishop in Zacatecas.  If you are interested in 
> pushing this forward, I would be willing to help.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > To anyone researching in La Inmaculada/Jerez, Zacatecas
> > 
> > I have some information that can be valuable for anyone 
researching 
> in Jerez
> > 
> > 1. THE CASE OF THE 20-25 PAGES OF MARRIAGES
> > 
> > The first time I reviewed the film # 440059. Matrimonios 1712-
1745. 
> I noticed that the film started in the middle of the book. I 
searched 
> for the missing pages until I found them. They are in the previous 
> film. Film # 440058. Informacion Matrimonial 1961. Yes, you read 
> right 1961. In this film after the 1961 information, all the way at 
> the end of the film.( You even pass a section in "blank".) There is 
> the first roll of film of marriages. There are about 20-25 pages of 
> the oldest marriages in microfilm for Jerez (1712), part of the 1st 
> book.I already spoke to the expert for Latin-American in the main 
> Library in Utah (that was 2 years ago). I hope they will place a 
note 
> in the Library Catalogue in the near future.
> > 
> > 2. THE CASE OF THE MISSING MICROFILMS
> > 
> > Recently I spoke over the phone to the person in charge of the 
> archives in the Church La Inmaculada in Jerez, Zacatecas. He told 
me 
> that the oldest Marriage that they have is 1697 and Marriage 
> Information November 3, 1665. As we know in the LDS Library 
Catalogue 
> the marriages start in 1712 (missing 15 years) and in Marriage 
> Information 1789 (missing 124 years). He speculated that when they 
> did the microfilming of the records (around 1960) they asked for 
the 
> church "books", and all these information are "single sheets-hojas 
> sueltas). During my conversation with him he was flipping the 
actual 
> documents. At the same time, I felt my heart was flipping. I could 
> see the long lost marriage, my brick wall in that bundle of papers. 
I 
> already wrote 2 e-mails to the AGN (Archivo General de la Nacion), 
> but I haven't received a response.I also called the main Library in 
> Utah with this information. I spoke to the same expert, and she 
took 
> some notes. I have my doubts that my petition for microfilming was 
> forward. Does anyone know where I can petition formally the 
> microfilming of these records? What can we do?
> > I also asked in the church in Jerez if the archives were open to 
> the public. I was told that access can be granted thru the Dioceses 
> of Zacatecas (or Archdioceses). I don't know if you can petition 
for 
> this on-line. I'm hoping I will be able to go to Jerez next year 
and 
> search in the archives of the church. But, I think we should 
> preserved this documents for future genealogist.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > Susana Leniski
> >
>

Susana:

If you read my previous message you will note that there are in fact 
a great deal of records at the Inmaculada parrish in Jerez that are 
not filmed... Leonardo de la Torre Berumen has transcribed a great 
deal of these records but filming them would also be valuable.  I 
don't know if it is going to be possible given the condition that 
they are in and according to Leonardo make them difficult to film and 
is perhaps the reason why they passed them up in the first place.

There are also records in Colotlan that are not filmed.  The priest 
there is obstinate about not allowing access so it would require 
permission from the bishop in Zacatecas.  If you are interested in 
pushing this forward, I would be willing to help.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...> 
wrote:
>
> To anyone researching in La Inmaculada/Jerez, Zacatecas
> 
> I have some information that can be valuable for anyone researching 
in Jerez
> 
> 1. THE CASE OF THE 20-25 PAGES OF MARRIAGES
> 
> The first time I reviewed the film # 440059. Matrimonios 1712-1745. 
I noticed that the film started in the middle of the book. I searched 
for the missing pages until I found them. They are in the previous 
film. Film # 440058. Informacion Matrimonial 1961. Yes, you read 
right 1961. In this film after the 1961 information, all the way at 
the end of the film.( You even pass a section in "blank".) There is 
the first roll of film of marriages. There are about 20-25 pages of 
the oldest marriages in microfilm for Jerez (1712), part of the 1st 
book.I already spoke to the expert for Latin-American in the main 
Library in Utah (that was 2 years ago). I hope they will place a note 
in the Library Catalogue in the near future.
> 
> 2. THE CASE OF THE MISSING MICROFILMS
> 
> Recently I spoke over the phone to the person in charge of the 
archives in the Church La Inmaculada in Jerez, Zacatecas. He told me 
that the oldest Marriage that they have is 1697 and Marriage 
Information November 3, 1665. As we know in the LDS Library Catalogue 
the marriages start in 1712 (missing 15 years) and in Marriage 
Information 1789 (missing 124 years). He speculated that when they 
did the microfilming of the records (around 1960) they asked for the 
church "books", and all these information are "single sheets-hojas 
sueltas). During my conversation with him he was flipping the actual 
documents. At the same time, I felt my heart was flipping. I could 
see the long lost marriage, my brick wall in that bundle of papers. I 
already wrote 2 e-mails to the AGN (Archivo General de la Nacion), 
but I haven't received a response.I also called the main Library in 
Utah with this information. I spoke to the same expert, and she took 
some notes. I have my doubts that my petition for microfilming was 
forward. Does anyone know where I can petition formally the 
microfilming of these records? What can we do?
> I also asked in the church in Jerez if the archives were open to 
the public. I was told that access can be granted thru the Dioceses 
of Zacatecas (or Archdioceses). I don't know if you can petition for 
this on-line. I'm hoping I will be able to go to Jerez next year and 
search in the archives of the church. But, I think we should 
preserved this documents for future genealogist.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Susana Leniski
>

Susana:

If you read my previous message you will note that there are in fact 
a great deal of records at the Inmaculada parrish in Jerez that are 
not filmed... Leonardo de la Torre Berumen has transcribed a great 
deal of these records but filming them would also be valuable.  I 
don't know if it is going to be possible given the condition that 
they are in and according to Leonardo make them difficult to film and 
is perhaps the reason why they passed them up in the first place.

There are also records in Colotlan that are not filmed.  The priest 
there is obstinate about not allowing access so it would require 
permission from the bishop in Zacatecas.  If you are interested in 
pushing this forward, I would be willing to help.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...> 
wrote:
>
> To anyone researching in La Inmaculada/Jerez, Zacatecas
> 
> I have some information that can be valuable for anyone researching 
in Jerez
> 
> 1. THE CASE OF THE 20-25 PAGES OF MARRIAGES
> 
> The first time I reviewed the film # 440059. Matrimonios 1712-1745. 
I noticed that the film started in the middle of the book. I searched 
for the missing pages until I found them. They are in the previous 
film. Film # 440058. Informacion Matrimonial 1961. Yes, you read 
right 1961. In this film after the 1961 information, all the way at 
the end of the film.( You even pass a section in "blank".) There is 
the first roll of film of marriages. There are about 20-25 pages of 
the oldest marriages in microfilm for Jerez (1712), part of the 1st 
book.I already spoke to the expert for Latin-American in the main 
Library in Utah (that was 2 years ago). I hope they will place a note 
in the Library Catalogue in the near future.
> 
> 2. THE CASE OF THE MISSING MICROFILMS
> 
> Recently I spoke over the phone to the person in charge of the 
archives in the Church La Inmaculada in Jerez, Zacatecas. He told me 
that the oldest Marriage that they have is 1697 and Marriage 
Information November 3, 1665. As we know in the LDS Library Catalogue 
the marriages start in 1712 (missing 15 years) and in Marriage 
Information 1789 (missing 124 years). He speculated that when they 
did the microfilming of the records (around 1960) they asked for the 
church "books", and all these information are "single sheets-hojas 
sueltas). During my conversation with him he was flipping the actual 
documents. At the same time, I felt my heart was flipping. I could 
see the long lost marriage, my brick wall in that bundle of papers. I 
already wrote 2 e-mails to the AGN (Archivo General de la Nacion), 
but I haven't received a response.I also called the main Library in 
Utah with this information. I spoke to the same expert, and she took 
some notes. I have my doubts that my petition for microfilming was 
forward. Does anyone know where I can petition formally the 
microfilming of these records? What can we do?
> I also asked in the church in Jerez if the archives were open to 
the public. I was told that access can be granted thru the Dioceses 
of Zacatecas (or Archdioceses). I don't know if you can petition for 
this on-line. I'm hoping I will be able to go to Jerez next year and 
search in the archives of the church. But, I think we should 
preserved this documents for future genealogist.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Susana Leniski
>

Susana:

If you read my previous message you will note that there are in fact 
a great deal of records at the Inmaculada parrish in Jerez that are 
not filmed... Leonardo de la Torre Berumen has transcribed a great 
deal of these records but filming them would also be valuable.  I 
don't know if it is going to be possible given the condition that 
they are in and according to Leonardo make them difficult to film and 
is perhaps the reason why they passed them up in the first place.

There are also records in Colotlan that are not filmed.  The priest 
there is obstinate about not allowing access so it would require 
permission from the bishop in Zacatecas.  If you are interested in 
pushing this forward, I would be willing to help.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...> 
wrote:
>
> To anyone researching in La Inmaculada/Jerez, Zacatecas
> 
> I have some information that can be valuable for anyone researching 
in Jerez
> 
> 1. THE CASE OF THE 20-25 PAGES OF MARRIAGES
> 
> The first time I reviewed the film # 440059. Matrimonios 1712-1745. 
I noticed that the film started in the middle of the book. I searched 
for the missing pages until I found them. They are in the previous 
film. Film # 440058. Informacion Matrimonial 1961. Yes, you read 
right 1961. In this film after the 1961 information, all the way at 
the end of the film.( You even pass a section in "blank".) There is 
the first roll of film of marriages. There are about 20-25 pages of 
the oldest marriages in microfilm for Jerez (1712), part of the 1st 
book.I already spoke to the expert for Latin-American in the main 
Library in Utah (that was 2 years ago). I hope they will place a note 
in the Library Catalogue in the near future.
> 
> 2. THE CASE OF THE MISSING MICROFILMS
> 
> Recently I spoke over the phone to the person in charge of the 
archives in the Church La Inmaculada in Jerez, Zacatecas. He told me 
that the oldest Marriage that they have is 1697 and Marriage 
Information November 3, 1665. As we know in the LDS Library Catalogue 
the marriages start in 1712 (missing 15 years) and in Marriage 
Information 1789 (missing 124 years). He speculated that when they 
did the microfilming of the records (around 1960) they asked for the 
church "books", and all these information are "single sheets-hojas 
sueltas). During my conversation with him he was flipping the actual 
documents. At the same time, I felt my heart was flipping. I could 
see the long lost marriage, my brick wall in that bundle of papers. I 
already wrote 2 e-mails to the AGN (Archivo General de la Nacion), 
but I haven't received a response.I also called the main Library in 
Utah with this information. I spoke to the same expert, and she took 
some notes. I have my doubts that my petition for microfilming was 
forward. Does anyone know where I can petition formally the 
microfilming of these records? What can we do?
> I also asked in the church in Jerez if the archives were open to 
the public. I was told that access can be granted thru the Dioceses 
of Zacatecas (or Archdioceses). I don't know if you can petition for 
this on-line. I'm hoping I will be able to go to Jerez next year and 
search in the archives of the church. But, I think we should 
preserved this documents for future genealogist.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Susana Leniski
>

Susana:

In addition to all of the missing films you mention, Leonardo de la 
Torre Berumen, the municipal archivist in Jerez tells me that most of 
the years for confirmations in the mid-1600s are also available and 
while these are not as comprehensive as the baptisms as children that 
die young, etc. were not confirmed, any children that survived and 
later got married and procreated would certainly be in there.

There are also a whole series of "hojas sueltas" from the old 
Franciscan Convent in Colotlan that were never filmed.  These are 
also from marriages, baptisms, burials in the mid-1600s.  Also would 
be great to break through these brick walls.

I am going to try to access the latter when I am down there next 
week.  I will inquire about getting to see the former.  Would be 
worthwhile to have them all filmed (and indexed).  Someone in the 
group mentioned that they had Benito Samuel Sanchez Garcia help them 
arrange filming of previously unfilmed records.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...> 
wrote:
>
> To anyone researching in La Inmaculada/Jerez, Zacatecas
> 
> I have some information that can be valuable for anyone researching 
in Jerez
> 
> 1. THE CASE OF THE 20-25 PAGES OF MARRIAGES
> 
> The first time I reviewed the film # 440059. Matrimonios 1712-1745. 
I noticed that the film started in the middle of the book. I searched 
for the missing pages until I found them. They are in the previous 
film. Film # 440058. Informacion Matrimonial 1961. Yes, you read 
right 1961. In this film after the 1961 information, all the way at 
the end of the film.( You even pass a section in "blank".) There is 
the first roll of film of marriages. There are about 20-25 pages of 
the oldest marriages in microfilm for Jerez (1712), part of the 1st 
book.I already spoke to the expert for Latin-American in the main 
Library in Utah (that was 2 years ago). I hope they will place a note 
in the Library Catalogue in the near future.
> 
> 2. THE CASE OF THE MISSING MICROFILMS
> 
> Recently I spoke over the phone to the person in charge of the 
archives in the Church La Inmaculada in Jerez, Zacatecas. He told me 
that the oldest Marriage that they have is 1697 and Marriage 
Information November 3, 1665. As we know in the LDS Library Catalogue 
the marriages start in 1712 (missing 15 years) and in Marriage 
Information 1789 (missing 124 years). He speculated that when they 
did the microfilming of the records (around 1960) they asked for the 
church "books", and all these information are "single sheets-hojas 
sueltas). During my conversation with him he was flipping the actual 
documents. At the same time, I felt my heart was flipping. I could 
see the long lost marriage, my brick wall in that bundle of papers. I 
already wrote 2 e-mails to the AGN (Archivo General de la Nacion), 
but I haven't received a response.I also called the main Library in 
Utah with this information. I spoke to the same expert, and she took 
some notes. I have my doubts that my petition for microfilming was 
forward. Does anyone know where I can petition formally the 
microfilming of these records? What can we do?
> I also asked in the church in Jerez if the archives were open to 
the public. I was told that access can be granted thru the Dioceses 
of Zacatecas (or Archdioceses). I don't know if you can petition for 
this on-line. I'm hoping I will be able to go to Jerez next year and 
search in the archives of the church. But, I think we should 
preserved this documents for future genealogist.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Susana Leniski
>