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Hi Irma: Thank you for the encouragement to keep on digging the roots...It is like a vitamin pill to keep me going. There are a couple of books, that I have, that cover Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. The first one, "Biografia de Don Jose Gonzalez de Hermosillo - General Insurgente" Written by Nicolas de Anda Sanchez" The author claims that he ( Hermosillo) was from Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The second book: "Jalostotitlan a Traves de Los Siglos" by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Gutierrez, has a more detailed and complete history of not only Jalostotilan, but of the entire region called "Nueva Galicia". In this book the author claims that Hermosillo was from Jalostotitlan. I highly recommend this book to all the members since it has maps showing the following: Naciones Indigenas del Norte, from Durango, Saltillo in the North, to Guadalajara and Queretato to the South. A map labeled: La Gran Chichimeca En el Siglo XVI. What is iteresting about this map is that it shows an outline of "La Nueva Galicia" The cities around the boundry are: Guadalajara, El Teul, Colotlan, Durango, Cuencamé, Parras, Saltillo,Ciudad Valles, Queretaro,and Guanjuato. A map of how the area was colonized. It shows mainly the area from Guadalajara to Teocaltiche, Lagos de Moreno, Arandas, and back to Guadalajara. It shows which families settled in which cities. Lomelí, Gallo, Gonzalez in Yahualica. In Teocaltiche, Padilla and Reynoso. In Lagos de Moreno: Issai, Serrano, Sanroman, Ortiz de Parra and also Hermosillo. In Jalostotitlan: Pérez, Franco, Padilla, Jimenez, Reynoso, and Gonzalez. In Tepatitlan: Barba and Gonzalez. There are other maps including: Las Rutas Mineras y de Frontera, Poblaciones y Camino de Nueva Galicia, Nueva Vizcaya y Nuevo Leon. There is also a map of La Nueva España framed by pictures of the 90+ "Virreyes". John Gonzalez Wildomar, CA ----- Original Message -----
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color=#0000ff size=2>Bravo John! Very interesting research, so much in such a short time. Keep us apprised of what you find on Jose Maria Gonz de Hermo., and the Gonzales clan. I've read the same about both towns claiming him. There is a book on the subject--I skimmed through it a while back. Maybe someone else can remember the book.
color=#0000ff size=2>As far as the Vallejo clan & Mariano Vallejo. .. Have you been to Sonoma where his family lived. You can tour the Home where the Vallejos lived during the Bear Flag Rebellion. The home which is now a museum has a lot of interesting history on his family. It is just outside of the town in Sonoma--just North West of Sacramento. I seem to recall that his family came via Guadalajara. Don't recall where he & his wife Benicia (the town of Benicia is name after her) were married. I remember reading something about his Vallejos being from Guadalajara at their home in Sonoma. There is also a group that researches Californio families. I've seen it in Somos Primos. Maybe they can help.
color=#0000ff size=2>Good luck John, and great going--give yourself more credit. I never accomplished anywhere near that in 5 months!
color=#0000ff size=2>Irma From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:28 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!! I can give a very brief account of what I've been doing, but I feel that being able to go back about 455 years was mostly luck and the fact that my ancestors stayed in the same town (Jalostotitlan, Jal.) for that whole period. From about 1550 to 1917 , when my Grandfather brought his family to California. I got started with the family tree about 5 months ago, not knowing anything at all about findings roots and doing research. I was surfing the internet one day and just happened to run into the Ranchos web site. I noticed that the area of research being done by the group was mainly in Los Altos and sorrounding areas. I only had one piece of information when I started, and that was that my grandfather was from Jalisco and that he had been born in 1875. I went to visit a cousin, who is 80 plus years old, to see if I could get him to tell me something about the family. I found out that the family was from Jalostotitlan, and that they had come to California around 1917. I also have a picture of my grandfather standing next to his truck. I noticed the license plate: California-1928. I went to the Census records and found the family living in Fullerton, California. Information about my family for the period, 1917 to the present, was collected from living relatives at family reunions and family visits. Now, anytime I see a relative, I bug them to tell me as much as they know about our family. I started by searching the LDS files. I found out that they have a mountain of information on Jalostotitlan. My next step was to visit the local LDS Family Research Center to order films to locate my grandfather. Once I found him, it was just a matter of trying to follow the thread as far back in time as possible. Some of the records were a tough challange to read, not only because of the handwriting, but on some of them, the writing from the back side was also visible, reversed, and mixed with the writing on the front side. I guess the ink had "bled" through the paper . Many times I felt like giving it all up. I am sure I am not the only one that has come across this type of problem. My wife is from Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Last June, we went to visit her family and spent two weeks in the area. I had visited Teocaltiche quite a few times before, but I never bother to look anything up, until this last trip. My interest had not been stimulated until I joined the Ranchos group a few months ago. We went to Jalostotitlan and found the "Rancho Los Portales" where my family originated. It is just about 3 miles out of town. I found and talked to some of the descendants of other original settlers who rememberd their grandfather talking about my grandfather. They pointed out the house where my granfather was born. I don't have the words to describe the thrill and excitement that I felt when I stood there, in the same place where my grandfather and great -grandfather lived . Needless to say, I was overwhelmed with emotion... Upon our return, I was determined to keep on searching as far as I could. I've spent a lot of hours searching through the LDS records and now, I don't regret any minute of it. It has been a very exciting everytime I found a new grandfather, 11 generations so far... My last grandfather (my first grandfather?) was married in 1570 to a lady from Mexico City, from there on down, all of the descendants were married in Jalostotitlan. It looks like my search from now on will have to be from Mexico City. Great items that I have found out so far: 1.-My family has beeen in Jalostotitlan since 1550. 2.-I am third cousin, once removed to a saint. Santo Toribio Romo. 3.-I am also , possibly, related to Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. He was one of the "Insurgentes" who fought for Mexican independence from spain in 1810-1819. The capital of Sonora, Hermosillo , was named in his honor. He fought in Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and Sonora. I said, possibly related , because the records are not very clear. Teocaltiche claims him, but so does Jalostotitlan, where he lived with his family. 4.-My wife's last name is Vallejo. There might be a connection there to General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo. He was the last Mexican Governor of Northern California. There is a lot of information about him and the founding of Sonoma Mission, just North of San Francisco, and the Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino wine country. There is hardly any information about his father and mother. So far, I have found some contradicting reports in the LDS films...some have him getting married in San Diego, and some in Monterrey In one, they list it as Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico! The Montrerrey where he was born is just south of San Francisco!. In one film they got him getting married in San Diego and Monterey on the same day! That is an entire different story that I'll try to tackle after I get a little further back in time with my side of the family. In conclusion...I can't thank enough: The Ranchos Group members, the LDS for providing such valuable records and service. Irma Gomez Lucero, and of course, Joseph, who makes the Ranchos Group what it is. GRACIAS A TODOS POR LA GRAN EXPERIENCIA. Did I say I was going to be brief? sorry if I over extended the invitation, Joseph.
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I can give a very brief account of what I've been doing, but I feel that being able to go back about 455 years was mostly luck and the fact that my ancestors stayed in the same town (Jalostotitlan, Jal.) for that whole period. From about 1550 to 1917 , when my Grandfather brought his family to California. I got started with the family tree about 5 months ago, not knowing anything at all about findings roots and doing research. I was surfing the internet one day and just happened to run into the Ranchos web site. I noticed that the area of research being done by the group was mainly in Los Altos and sorrounding areas. I only had one piece of information when I started, and that was that my grandfather was from Jalisco and that he had been born in 1875. I went to visit a cousin, who is 80 plus years old, to see if I could get him to tell me something about the family. I found out that the family was from Jalostotitlan, and that they had come to California around 1917. I also have a picture of my grandfather standing next to his truck. I noticed the license plate: California-1928. I went to the Census records and found the family living in Fullerton, California. Information about my family for the period, 1917 to the present, was collected from living relatives at family reunions and family visits. Now, anytime I see a relative, I bug them to tell me as much as they know about our family. I started by searching the LDS files. I found out that they have a mountain of information on Jalostotitlan. My next step was to visit the local LDS Family Research Center to order films to locate my grandfather. Once I found him, it was just a matter of trying to follow the thread as far back in time as possible. Some of the records were a tough challange to read, not only because of the handwriting, but on some of them, the writing from the back side was also visible, reversed, and mixed with the writing on the front side. I guess the ink had "bled" through the paper . Many times I felt like giving it all up. I am sure I am not the only one that has come across this type of problem. My wife is from Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Last June, we went to visit her family and spent two weeks in the area. I had visited Teocaltiche quite a few times before, but I never bother to look anything up, until this last trip. My interest had not been stimulated until I joined the Ranchos group a few months ago. We went to Jalostotitlan and found the "Rancho Los Portales" where my family originated. It is just about 3 miles out of town. I found and talked to some of the descendants of other original settlers who rememberd their grandfather talking about my grandfather. They pointed out the house where my granfather was born. I don't have the words to describe the thrill and excitement that I felt when I stood there, in the same place where my grandfather and great -grandfather lived . Needless to say, I was overwhelmed with emotion... Upon our return, I was determined to keep on searching as far as I could. I've spent a lot of hours searching through the LDS records and now, I don't regret any minute of it. It has been a very exciting everytime I found a new grandfather, 11 generations so far... My last grandfather (my first grandfather?) was married in 1570 to a lady from Mexico City, from there on down, all of the descendants were married in Jalostotitlan. It looks like my search from now on will have to be from Mexico City. Great items that I have found out so far: 1.-My family has beeen in Jalostotitlan since 1550. 2.-I am third cousin, once removed to a saint. Santo Toribio Romo. 3.-I am also , possibly, related to Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. He was one of the "Insurgentes" who fought for Mexican independence from spain in 1810-1819. The capital of Sonora, Hermosillo , was named in his honor. He fought in Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and Sonora. I said, possibly related , because the records are not very clear. Teocaltiche claims him, but so does Jalostotitlan, where he lived with his family. 4.-My wife's last name is Vallejo. There might be a connection there to General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo. He was the last Mexican Governor of Northern California. There is a lot of information about him and the founding of Sonoma Mission, just North of San Francisco, and the Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino wine country. There is hardly any information about his father and mother. So far, I have found some contradicting reports in the LDS films...some have him getting married in San Diego, and some in Monterrey In one, they list it as Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico! The Montrerrey where he was born is just south of San Francisco!. In one film they got him getting married in San Diego and Monterey on the same day! That is an entire different story that I'll try to tackle after I get a little further back in time with my side of the family. In conclusion...I can't thank enough: The Ranchos Group members, the LDS for providing such valuable records and service. Irma Gomez Lucero, and of course, Joseph, who makes the Ranchos Group what it is. GRACIAS A TODOS POR LA GRAN EXPERIENCIA. Did I say I was going to be brief? sorry if I over extended the invitation, Joseph.
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> John, My roots also seem to lead to Panuco, since that is where the original Olagues were from before they came to Jerez and Tepetongo. I too have met a roadblock and dead end with my father's maternal side. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ----
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John, approximately 12 years ago I met a gentleman from the Somos Primos genealogical group at the Westwood Latter Day Saints library. I don't remember his name but he was a distant relative of my wife Rebeca Gutierrez Gonzalez; although she did not remember him. He told me he also was from the same Gonzales-Casillas family branch from Los Altos, like my wife. He helped me to interpret a 1797 Jerez marriage document written in Spanish. Anyway, this gentleman had genealogical charts of over 2200 past relatives that started in Los Altos and went all the way back to to the year 1200 in Spain. If you are able contact him, I'm sure he would be more that happy to share his findings with you. Also, the gentlemen looked like an Anglo (typical of many of those from Los Altos, fair, tall, blue eyes); his English and Spanish were excellent and he seemed very well educated, and friendly. He told me that he lived in San Fernando Valley and was a software programmer. If you contact the Somos Primos group, I bet they'll help you get in contact with him. Good luck. --- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote: > Hi Alberto: > > Thank you for the "heads up " on a very > interesting article. It has quite a few names that > I am presently researching. It is going to take a > few days to sort everything out to make "heads or > tails" . Just a quick preliminary perusing reveals > a lot of information that I can use. > Today has been one of those days that makes you > feel almost numb from joy and good fortune. > Earlier in the day I got en E-mail from Ken Alva. > He sent me some information that will take me all > the way back to the birth of Alonso de Hermosillo in > Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain in 1467 !!! Three > generations in Spain, 10 generations in Jalos, and 3 > in California! That puts me in the 16th generation > of Gonzalez"s. > I had gotten stuck with Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo > and his wife from Mexico City .They settled in > Jalostotitlan in the late 1500's. > Ken's information picks him up from there and takes > him three generations back into Spain!!! Talk about > getting lucky. > I have already pinpointed Hermosilla, Burgos on a > map of Spain. It is very tiny village in the > Northern part of the country. > > I just don't have enough words to express my deep > appreciation and thanks to all the members of > Ranchos...Thank you. > > > 1gnzlz@... > Juan Gonzalez > Wildomar, CA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alberto Duarte > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!! > > > John, check out the below website. It has some of > the > same names you've mentioned in some of your > emails. > The website was sit up by my wife's (Rebeca > Gutierrez > Gonzalez) relatives from Los Altos, Jalisco. I > hope > it helps you find some more names and relatives. > Who > knows? we may be related. > > Good luck. > > Alberto Duarte Prieto > Santa Maria, California > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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John: I've seen Jerez baptism records from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. I requested these records (microfiche) a couple of years ago from our local LSD library. So they do exist. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote: > Hi Emilie: > > It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas. I > remember her talking about being born in "Minillas > de Jerez" in 1903. She found out that there were no > records for that period when she tried to establish > her legal status in the U.S. (legal resident) . I > believe she had an affidavit from Jerez, stating > that there were no records of her birth in 1903 > because they had been destroyed by fire. > > She died in Lodi, California, about 25 years ago. > I have tried to find some of her personal papers, > like birth certificate, marriage certificate, > passport, Green Card, without success. I asked my > brothers and sisters, but nobody seems to know what > happened to all of her papers. > > Her parents were: Preciliano Cerros and Apolonia > Gonzalez. I remember hearing my grandfather talking > about Pánuco but I was too young to remember what he > said about it. The name stuck to the back of my > mind. > > I am almost ready to start researching her side of > the family. I am anticipating lots of road blocks > and dead ends. > 1gnzlz@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emilie Garcia > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 4:35 AM > Subject: Re: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!! > > > John, > > So your grandmother was born in Jerez in 1903 __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
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Emilie: It is probably the "Magic" of the Season...I can't think of a better Christmas present.
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Hi Emilie: It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas. I remember her talking about being born in "Minillas de Jerez" in 1903. She found out that there were no records for that period when she tried to establish her legal status in the U.S. (legal resident) . I believe she had an affidavit from Jerez, stating that there were no records of her birth in 1903 because they had been destroyed by fire. She died in Lodi, California, about 25 years ago. I have tried to find some of her personal papers, like birth certificate, marriage certificate, passport, Green Card, without success. I asked my brothers and sisters, but nobody seems to know what happened to all of her papers. Her parents were: Preciliano Cerros and Apolonia Gonzalez. I remember hearing my grandfather talking about Pánuco but I was too young to remember what he said about it. The name stuck to the back of my mind. I am almost ready to start researching her side of the family. I am anticipating lots of road blocks and dead ends.
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John, 1467!!!! Sixteen generations!!! My God, you lead a charmed life. Only five months into your research, and you have found so much. How I (and the rest) envy you. With your membership in this group, maybe some of your luck will rub off on us. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ---
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John, So your grandmother was born in Jerez in 1903 and you say the records were "destroyed"? My father was born in Jerez also in 1903, and when we went there to try to get a birth record the priest at the church told him that the records for 1903 had been "burned" (I presumed that happened around 1910-1916 when my father and his father left Mexico forever because the fighting was so horrendous there during the Revolution. What were you told about how the records were destroyed? Please let me know if you find anything on those born in Jerez in 1903. I recently posted a link to my Olague-Tinajero [Felix] tree that I updated on World Connect. Did you see it? My maternal grandmother was Gorgonia Garcia and her parents were Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez. I have not found a thing on them yet in the IGI, and I am assuming they were from Jerez, since my father Guadalupe Olague was born there, but his father Francisco Olague was born, as were all his ancestors going back to the early 1700s, in Salitrillo, part of the jurisdiction of Tepetongo. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ---
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dear John! (hey that reads heavenly) bells all the way for you! these news is a bus for touring the past! God, they are waiting for us to reach! this Christmass you'll have a full house, full yard, full street and by all means a full hart! rejoice! cheers to all of us! Did this help you a little to express? Thank you for shearing Leticia Leon Morales
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John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> escribió:
Hi Alberto:Thank you for the "heads up " on a very interesting article. It has quite a few names that I am presently researching. It is going to take a few days to sort everything out to make
"heads or tails" . Just a quick preliminary perusing reveals a lot of information that I can use.Today has been one of those days that makes you feel almost numb from joy and good fortune. Earlier in the day I got en E-mail from Ken Alva. He sent me some information that will take me all the way back to the birth of Alonso de Hermosillo in Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain in 1467 !!! Three generations in Spain, 10 generations in Jalos, and 3 in California! That puts me in the 16th generation of Gonzalez"s.I had gotten stuck with Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and his wife from Mexico City .They settled in Jalostotitlan in the late 1500's.Ken's information picks him up from there and takes him three generations back into Spain!!! Talk about getting
lucky.I have already pinpointed Hermosilla, Burgos on a map of Spain. It is very tiny village in the Northern part of the country.I just don't have enough words to express my deep appreciation and thanks to all the members of Ranchos...Thank you.Juan GonzalezWildomar, CA----- Original Message -----Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:24 PMSubject: Re: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!!John, check out the below website. It has some of the
same names you've mentioned in some of your emails.
The website was sit up by my wife's (Rebeca Gutierrez
Gonzalez) relatives from Los Altos, Jalisco. I hope
it helps you find some more names and relatives. Who
knows? we may be related.
Good luck.
Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
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Hi Alberto: Thank you for the "heads up " on a very interesting article. It has quite a few names that I am presently researching. It is going to take a few days to sort everything out to make "heads or tails" . Just a quick preliminary perusing reveals a lot of information that I can use. Today has been one of those days that makes you feel almost numb from joy and good fortune. Earlier in the day I got en E-mail from Ken Alva. He sent me some information that will take me all the way back to the birth of Alonso de Hermosillo in Hermosilla, Burgos, Spain in 1467 !!! Three generations in Spain, 10 generations in Jalos, and 3 in California! That puts me in the 16th generation of Gonzalez"s. I had gotten stuck with Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and his wife from Mexico City .They settled in Jalostotitlan in the late 1500's. Ken's information picks him up from there and takes him three generations back into Spain!!! Talk about getting lucky. I have already pinpointed Hermosilla, Burgos on a map of Spain. It is very tiny village in the Northern part of the country. I just don't have enough words to express my deep appreciation and thanks to all the members of Ranchos...Thank you. Juan Gonzalez Wildomar, CA
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John, check out the below website. It has some of the same names you've mentioned in some of your emails. The website was sit up by my wife's (Rebeca Gutierrez Gonzalez) relatives from Los Altos, Jalisco. I hope it helps you find some more names and relatives. Who knows? we may be related. Good luck. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California www.prodigyweb.net.mx/luzmontejano/articulos.htm --- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote: > Hello Jose: > > Thank you for your kind words, we all need a few > words of encouragement every now and then and I > appreciate your words. Thank you again. > As far as : "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" is concerned, I > found a book titled : "Jalostotitlan a Traves de > Los Siglos" The book mentions Juan Gonzalez de > Hermosillo as being one of the first settlers in > Jalostotitlan, along with his wife Ana. I traced my > line all the way back to him and that's where I find > myself at the moment. There were 10 generations of > "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" in Jalos. > I am waiting for a couple of films from the LDS to > see if I can go a little further back. Thank you > for offering me assistance with the Gonzalez name. > My maternal grandmother's last name was Gonzalez, > and she was from Jerez Zacatecas. There could be a > connection there between Gonzalez from Zacatecas and > Durango. I have not started doing research on my > mother's side because I want to see how far I can go > on my father's side of the family. I am > anticipating some problems with her because some of > the records, for the date when she was born (1903) > , were destroyed. > I will make sure that I stay in touch with you as > soon as I get started in Zacatecas. > 1gnzlz@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: José Román González López > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:57 AM > Subject: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!! > > > Hello John: > > Congratulation! > > Your experience about researching your ancestral > line of "González de Hermosillo" has knick me in a > hard way, is very impacting to any that has spent > much time in our research, many times we seek where > there are noting of information, in Spanish we say: > "damos palos de ciego". > > You say: > > "I feel that being able to go back about 455 > years was mostly luck...". > > You are very "modesto", you did your work to > obtain that you now have. The "luck" is where the > preparation and opportunity join to benefit our, if > there is not "preparation", there is not "luck", and > if there is not "opportunity", then there is not > "luck". Your minds proceed to run in the accurate > way, because you were thinking about of your > ancestors, and this is the best preparation to do > the research. After, you were work hard to found > your genealogical tree: > > "I was surfing the internet one day and... > "I went to visit a cousin, who... > "I went to the Census records and... > "Information about my family for the period, 1917 > to the present, was collected from living relatives > at family reunions and family visits... > "Now, anytime I see a relative, I bug them to tell > me as much as they know... > "Some of the records were a tough challange to > read... > > And so... Your account is filled with a great > work, after that your "luck", you needy had was to > work hardly to finish with your precious data. > > You are a great lesson for the rest of the > "ranchos group". Thanks for share your experience > with others. > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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