Here goes my vote.  

I'm in agreement with Maria.  I don't think that Joseph expects materpieces
from all of us, but he as probably all active contributing members would
appreciate something.  

At least our family trees should be protected in a separate file
inaccessable to non-contributing Members.  As Joseph says, start with your
grandparents, and work back as far as you can.  I have found information
very easily just knowing this.    My father was born in the early 1930s, and
I found his birth record, so it really is fairly easy.  The Microfilms have
so much info.  

Also, it isn't fair to those who have contributed their family trees.  Here
are our lives like open books for individuals who haven't done the same.

Irma

-----Original Message-----
From: readysetgo95814 [mailto:mcortez@...]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:17 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: New poll for ranchos




I think it should be stricter.  The intent of this board is clear.  
It is meant for serious genealogists who are actively doing their 
own research. The messages are open to the public so that those who 
want to wait until they are ready to join can still read the 
messages posted without feeling pressured to become members. 

Maria Cortez

>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:05 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
>   ranchos group:
> 
>   You can only vote if you have already
>   submitted your genealogy, but even if
>   you haven't you can still influence by
>   giving your opinion via an email to the
>   group (freedom of speech).
> 
>   Question: Should the requirements for
>   being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
>   (have your genealogy in hand to submit
>   before being accepted into the group);
>   the same as now; or less Strict?
> 
>   I will not change anything unless 75% of
>   the permanent members vote and if I get
>   60% of those voting to vote for one of
>   the choices.  
> 
>     o More Strict 
>     o The Same 
>     o Less Strict 
>     o Other 
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And speaking of Michoacán....  If we were to speak about the old
territories of "Nueva Galicia", then we'd have to include Michoacán
all the way to Sonora (and maybe further north), including Jalisco,
Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Nayarit, Colima and Sinaloa.

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=5682


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
>
> Genealogy is hard work and I can't imagine a serious researcher
> wanting to join this group without being willing to share what their
> research has shown in the migration of families in Mexico. Joseph
> has made it a rule for joining this group, the willingness to share
> research.
>
> I'm truly learning as I go in the
genealogy but have learned that
> our lines did not originally come from Jalisco, Zacatecas or
> Guanajuato, they had to come from someplace else before that since
> they followed established roads for migration after the soldiers
> made them safe to establish new pueblos, towns and states. Or some
> of us had ancestors who were soldiers and they were moved from place
> to place.  I always said my Gutierrez and Mendez families was from
> Jalisco but I've discovered they arrived in Jalisco about 1775 from
> Michoacan and were only in Michoacan for about 50 years so they had
> to come from someplace else before that! Even though my focus is
> still in the states we are grouped together researching the idea of
> someone else who's found ancestors from the late 1500's and 1600's
> who've migrated to our area of research opens doors for me and
> you... just my two cents worth.
> Linda in
Everett
>
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Irma GomezLucero"
> <igomezlucero@c...> wrote:
>
> > Joseph,
> >     I know that I'm biased, but I'd like to keep it to the states:
> > Jalisco, Aguascalientes & Zacatecas (Nueva Galicia), but I can
> also just
> > delete the info from the states I'm not interested in.  My
> ancestors
> > seem to stay in the same place...
> > Irma
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Emilie Garcia
> > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 6:57 AM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos
> >
> >
> > Joseph,
> > 
> > I voted to restrict membership to those
researching the three
> states,
> > simply because the farther out from Jerez-Tepetongo, Zacatecas
> (and a
> > little from Jalisco and Zacatecas) the group's ancestors are to be
> > found, the less familiar names I find in the files.
> > 
> > I was wondering if you asked those people that inquired about
> joining
> > this group that have ancestors in other areas why they wanted to
> join
> > our group.  Is it the name "ranchos" that is misleading?  Is it
> because
> > they can't find a group that pertains to their areas of interest
> and
> > just like what they see (files, discussions, resources, podcasts,
> etc.)
> > on "ranchos"?  I myself was thrilled that Arturo posted that file
> on
> > Tlaltenango even though it is not a town where my current research
> has
> > led me.  However,
after printing out the file and reading it
> carefully,
> > I found my husband's ancestors, the Cervantes and Garcias listed.
> (Now
> > how to bridge the gap from those folks to the ones I have found in
> the
> > late 1700s in Jalisco in Encarnacion de Diaz, Real de Asientos,
> Lagos de
> > Moreno, Teocaltiche, Rincon de Romos, Jolostotitlan---some of
> these are
> > in Aguascalientes). I also got a glimpse of life, government, and
> social
> > structure in the area in the early 1600's.  I sure wish the map
> attached
> > to that report in the file had survived these 400 years.
> > 
> > In that file about Tlaltenango I see mention of Nueva Galicia. 
> What
> > current states or parts thereof comprised Nueva Galicia?  Would a
> group
> > for descendants of Nueva Galicia encompass too many current

> states?  I
> > think there was a Nueva Leon, Nueva Espana, Nueva Mexico.  Where
> was
> > Durango?  You already are running two groups, and I think I would
> like
> > to see a third group that follows the migration from our areas
> through
> > San Luis Potosi to southern Chihuahua State before they went up to
> > Juarez, El Paso and New Mexico and Arizona and California, since I
> know
> > that some of our group had ancestors that took that route. Then I
> am
> > aware that several in the group were born in or had more recent
> > ancestors such as parents/grandparents that came directly from our
> area
> > in Mexico to California. 
> > 
> > The reason I mention San Luis Potosi, Durango and southern
> Chihuahua
> > (Hidalgo del Parral, Ciudad Chihuahua, Delicias, General de Trias,
>
Santa
> > Ysabel, etc) is that my husband's family seemed to have made stops
> there
> > before continuing on to Juarez and El Paso then to California.
> > 
> > Well, Joseph, you have made this group so attractive that people
> seem to
> > want to join just to access all the neat things you have put up
> for the
> > group.  It wants to grow like Topsy!
> > 
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA  ---
> > 
> > ---- Original Message -----
> >
> >       From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >       To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >       Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:15 AM
> >       Subject: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos
> >
> >      
> >
      Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> >       ranchos group:
> >      
> >       From time to time people not from our geographical area
> express
> > intereste in Ranchos. Here is my answer:
> >      
> >       maybe there is a misunderstanding. we are focused on the
> states
> > of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes. I don't understand why
> you
> > would be interested in this group? Now if you "THINK" that you
> might
> > have ties to this area then I'll subscribe you for a 1 year
> temporary
> > membership that we'll reconsider renewing next year depending on
> how
> > much you've discovered about your Jalisco, Zacatecas and/or
> >
Aguascalientes roots or should I say tried to discover.
> >      
> >       is this what you'd like to do?
> >      
> >       Do you agree with this? Or should I make special exceptions
> for
> > those "high quality" researchers that express interest in the
> group?
> >      
> >       I'm torn between being "fair" to all and the possible
> benefit to
> > "all" from letting a top researcher into the group.
> >      
> >       what do you all think?
> >      
> >       So far all of our polls have been invalid for lack of
> > participation. IF this one is to be valid I'll need 50% of you to

> weigh
> > in so I can tip the balance. It'd be best if 52% of you weighed in
> on
> > one side so my vote wouldn't be the deciding factor.
> >      
> >       joseph
> >      
> >         o Be Fair to all and restrict membership
> >         o Don't restrict we can learn a lot from others
> >         o Do like you're doing
> >         o hijola, good question holmes!
> >      
> >      
> >       To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >      
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> >      
> >       Thanks!
> >      
> >      
> >      
> >      
> >      
> >      
> >      
> >      
> >      
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