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Hi, Alberto,
 
No, they weren't from Jerez.  Joseph attached a photo of the document he wanted help in deciphering, so I was responding to that.  His folks were from Aguascalientes and Cototlan.
 
Emilie
 Port Orchard, WA.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alberto Duarte
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????
 
Emile, were these families from Jerez?

Alberto

--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
> Hi, Joseph,
>
> It is a death certificate from February 7 (?)
> (siete) 1822.  He died of la grippe (gripa?).(or
> colic).  He was the  second husband of Mrs. Ramires,
> his widow, or it was his second marriage, I can't
> quite figure that out  It does look like his mother
> was Ynes Flores de Lisar.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:17 PM
> To: LosRanchos
> Subject: [ranchos] I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes
> Flores de ??????
>
>
> If any of you have time could you look at this
> record and tell me what 
> you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is?
> Seems to me that it is
> Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. .
> .Livan. . .???
>
> What is "Colico?"
>
> Can anyone make out the date of the record?
>
> shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give
> whatever details you have 
> time to decipher.
>
> thanks,
>
> joseph
>
> ps: Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather via his
> marriage to my GGGG 
> grandmother Maria Gertrudis Marquez and their
> daughter my GGG 
> grandmother Eduarda Torres--->GG grandfather Cecilio
> Puente--->G 
> grandfather Julio Puente--> grandfather Julio
> Puentes
>
> AND I also believe Pedro Torres was my GGGG
> grandfather when he later 
> married Maria Josefa Ramirez after Gertrudis Marquez
> died (most likely) 
> and their son Rafael Torres my GGG
> grandfather--->Andrea Torres GG 
> grandmother-->Francisco Diaz G
> grandfather--->Virginia Diaz grandmother.
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Emile, were these families from Jerez?

Alberto

--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
> Hi, Joseph,
> 
> It is a death certificate from February 7 (?)
> (siete) 1822.  He died of la grippe (gripa?).(or
> colic).  He was the  second husband of Mrs. Ramires,
> his widow, or it was his second marriage, I can't
> quite figure that out  It does look like his mother
> was Ynes Flores de Lisar.
> 
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:17 PM
> To: LosRanchos
> Subject: [ranchos] I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes
> Flores de ??????
> 
> 
> If any of you have time could you look at this
> record and tell me what  
> you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is?
> Seems to me that it is
> Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. .
> .Livan. . .???
> 
> What is "Colico?"
> 
> Can anyone make out the date of the record?
> 
> shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give
> whatever details you have  
> time to decipher.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather via his
> marriage to my GGGG  
> grandmother Maria Gertrudis Marquez and their
> daughter my GGG  
> grandmother Eduarda Torres--->GG grandfather Cecilio
> Puente--->G  
> grandfather Julio Puente--> grandfather Julio
> Puentes
> 
> AND I also believe Pedro Torres was my GGGG
> grandfather when he later  
> married Maria Josefa Ramirez after Gertrudis Marquez
> died (most likely)  
> and their son Rafael Torres my GGG
> grandfather--->Andrea Torres GG  
> grandmother-->Francisco Diaz G
> grandfather--->Virginia Diaz grandmother.
> 
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According to my wife, Colico (colic), has to do with a
stomach aliment.  She told me the stomach inflates
with air which sometimes results in death. 

For a long time, the drinking water in Mexico was not
treated, which probably caused many deaths, especially
in young children and older adults.

Alberto.
--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:
> Joseph,
>  
> Is this a death certificate. It seems as if it might
> say "murio de colico", meaning died of a colic.
> Does this make sense?
> Alicia
> 
> Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:
> 
> If any of you have time could you look at this
> record and tell me what 
> you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is?
> Seems to me that it is
> Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. .
> .Livan. . .???
> 
> What is "Colico?"
> 
> Can anyone make out the date of the record?
> 
> shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give
> whatever details you have 
> time to decipher.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather via his
> marriage to my GGGG 
> grandmother Maria Gertrudis Marquez and their
> daughter my GGG 
> grandmother Eduarda Torres--->GG grandfather Cecilio
> Puente--->G 
> grandfather Julio Puente--> grandfather Julio
> Puentes
> 
> AND I also believe Pedro Torres was my GGGG
> grandfather when he later 
> married Maria Josefa Ramirez after Gertrudis Marquez
> died (most likely) 
> and their son Rafael Torres my GGG
> grandfather--->Andrea Torres GG 
> grandmother-->Francisco Diaz G
> grandfather--->Virginia Diaz grandmother.
> 
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Hi, Joseph,
 
It is a death certificate from February 7 (?) (siete) 1822.  He died of la grippe (gripa?).(or colic).  He was the  second husband of Mrs. Ramires, his widow, or it was his second marriage, I can't quite figure that out.  It does look like his mother was Ynes Flores de Lisar.
 
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:17 PM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] I Need Help with Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????
 

If any of you have time could you look at this record and tell me what
you think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is? Seems to me that it is
Maria Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. . .Livan. . .???

What is "Colico?"

Can anyone make out the date of the record?

shucks if anyone has time maybe you could give whatever details you have
time to decipher.

thanks,

joseph

ps: Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather via his marriage to my GGGG
grandmother Maria Gertrudis Marquez and their daughter my GGG
grandmother Eduarda Torres--->GG grandfather Cecilio Puente--->G
grandfather Julio Puente--> grandfather Julio Puentes

AND I also believe Pedro Torres was my GGGG grandfather when he later
married Maria Josefa Ramirez after Gertrudis Marquez died (most likely)
and their son Rafael Torres my GGG grandfather--->Andrea Torres GG
grandmother-->Francisco Diaz G grandfather--->Virginia Diaz grandmother.



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It also looks as if it is Ynes Flores de
Lisar.  Marge:)


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----- Original Message -----


style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
Alicia
Carrillo


Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:45
PM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] I Need Help with
Penmanship: Ynes Flores de ??????



Joseph,

 

Is this a death certificate. It seems as if it might say "murio de
colico", meaning died of a colic.

Does this make sense?

Alicia

Joseph Puentes <
href="mailto:makas@...">makas@...> wrote:

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If
any of you have time could you look at this record and tell me what
you
think Simon Torres' wife's complete name is? Seems to me that it is
Maria
Ynes Flores de ???Lisar. . .Lisas. . .Livar. . .Livan. . .???

What is
"Colico?"

Can anyone make out the date of the record?

shucks
if anyone has time maybe you could give whatever details you have
time
to decipher.

thanks,

joseph

ps: Pedro Torres was my
GGGG grandfather via his marriage to my GGGG
grandmother Maria Gertrudis
Marquez and their daughter my GGG
grandmother Eduarda Torres--->GG
grandfather Cecilio Puente--->G
grandfather Julio Puente-->
grandfather Julio Puentes

AND I also believe Pedro Torres was my GGGG
grandfather when he later
married Maria Josefa Ramirez after Gertrudis
Marquez died (most likely)
and their son Rafael! Torres my GGG
grandfather--->Andrea Torres GG
grandmother-->Francisco Diaz G
grandfather--->Virginia Diaz grandmother.




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