Regarding Coat of Arms: I understand to use a "Coat of Arms" emblem, one has to have proof that he/she is a direct descendant of a person that was entitled to use that Coat of Arms. I've seen a number of Coat of Arms for both sides of my family, but I do not have proof that any one of my families were ever entitled to use or claim them. Alberto. --- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote: > > > Victor Villarreal wrote: > > >Esperanza, > > > >Well, it is not so much that this conversation > would be boring to other members as it is that it > could easily drift away from the main area of > interest of the Ranchos group. Anyway, just to > reply to your previous post, here are a couple of > comments. > > > >I still don't have a full picture of all the > historical events related to the first Villarreales > in "the New Spain". I know the first Villarreales > that settled in Northeast Mexico were involved in > mining for precious metals along with other > historical characters as Bernabé de las Casas and > Martin de Zavala. I believe the first mining sites > in Mexico were located in the center of the country > and there was a gradual movement in search of new > sites in practically every direction. Many of the > settlers of Nuevo Leon had already passed thru > Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, etc. on > their way up north. I believe such is the case for > Diego de Villarreal. > > > >As you know, there are some Villarreales among the > passenger list of some of the very first ships from > Spain. And in my Internet searches I've come across > some very old legal document from the early 1600's > that mention some Villarreal in México City. That's > the same period in which Diego de Villarreal appears > in the chronicles of "Nuevo Reyno de León", which > means that there were some other Villarreales down > south. I will try to locate that document, as I > remember saving it in some folder on my hard disk. > There are very few historical documents with > references to the surname Villarreal from the early > colonial period and it is hard to put the puzzle > together. It is just a couple of years since I > started getting interested in this subject and don't > have as much time to dedicate to this research as I > would like. Well, you know how it is, but I hope > that in time I can collect more bits and pieces of > our history. > > > >Regarding Danny, the first thing that I find > objectionable is the coat of arms that he displays > on his web page as the Villarreal coat of arms. > Coat of arms are not passed on to just anyone with > the same name . > > > > yes I've heard the same. If you are not familiar > with this series of > books you should have a look at the write up on > Villareal. I just > learned from Lydia's report on the films at Westwood > that this series of > books is available on film via the FHC close to you > [sadly but not for > Villareal it looks like]: > > http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html > > Query results for: VILLARREAL&SUBMIT2=SUBMIT Name > Vol. Page > Villacampa 2 118 > Villamil 2 152 > Villareal 2 106 > Villaverde 2 136 > Villaviciosa 2 133 > Villela 2 112 > Villela 2 146 > > > Title > Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de apellidos > españoles y americanos > > Stmnt.Resp. > por Alberto y Arturo García Carraffa > > Authors > García Carraffa, Alberto, 1882-ca. 1963 (Main > Author) > García Carraffa, Arturo, 1885-ca. 1940 (Added > Author) > > Notes > Microfilme del original publicado: Madrid : Impr. de > Antonio Marzo, > Nueva Impr. Radio ; Salamanca : Impr. Comercial > Salmantina, 1920- 1956. > Titulillo: Enciclopedia heráldica y genealógica; > diccionario de apellidos. > Los volúmenes del 77 al 86 de los autores Arturo y > Alberto García > Carraffa y los volúmenes del 87 al 101 de la autora > Endika de Mogrobejo > que completa la collección, no han sido microfilmado > por los derechos de > autor. Sin embargo se encuentran físicamente > disponibles en la > Biblioteca de Historia Familiar en Salt Lake City > bajo el número de > referencia 946 D6gc. > Heraldic and genealogical dictionary of Spanish and > Spanish American > surnames. > Cada tomo incluye índice. > > Subjects > Spain - Heraldry > Spain - Names, Personal > Latin America - Heraldry > Latin America - Names, Personal > Central America - Heraldry > Central America - Names, Personal > Mexico - Heraldry > Mexico - Names, Personal > Names, Spanish > > Format > Books/Monographs (On Film) > > Language > Spanish > > Publication > Austin, Texas : Filmado por Golightly-Payne-Coon, > 1957 > > Physical > en 11 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm. > > Series > Enciclopedia heráldica y genealógica > hispano-americana : t. 3-78 > > References > (Continued By) Diccionario hispanoamericano de > heráldica, onomástica y > genealogía > (Other edition) Diccionario heráldico y genealógico > de apellidos > españoles y americanos > > Film Notes > Note - Location [Film] > t. 1 (Aanda) - t. 5 (Alzuru) - VAULT INTL Film [ > 35112 ] > t. 6 (Allado) - t. 12 (Basani) - VAULT INTL Film [ > 35113 ] > t. 13 (Basanta) - t. 19 (Campani) - VAULT INTL Film > [ 35114 ] > t. 20 (Campano) - t. 26 (Desportell) - VAULT INTL > Film [ 35115 ] > t. 27 (Despou) - t. 33 (Franco) - VAULT INTL Film [ > 35116 ] > t. 34 (Francolí) - t. 40 (Haro) - VAULT INTL Film [ > 35117 ] > t. 41 (Hartos) - t. 47 (Lazcamburu) - FHL INTL Film > [ 35118 ] > t. 48 (Lazcano) - t. 54 (Mesares) - VAULT INTL Film > [ 35119 ] > t. 55 (Mescua) - t. 6l (Olcina) - VAULT INTL Film [ > 35120 ] > t. 62 (Olcinellas) - t. 68 (Pérez de Arramendia) - > VAULT INTL Film [ > 35121 ] > t. 69 (Pérez de Arroyo) - t. 76 (Rizo) - FHL INTL > Film [ 35122 ] > > © 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights > reserved. > =================== > =================== > looks like you'd need the book # Villalómez a > Villavante -- v. 97 [i.e. > 11]. That being the "seeming" case then I don't > understand why that > website has it listed as volume 2 p106. . .i don't > know. > > Title > Diccionario hispanoamericano de heráldica, > onomástica y genealogía : > adición al "Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de > apellidos españoles y > americanos", por Alberto y Arturo García Carraffa > > Stmnt.Resp. > por Endika de Mogrobejo, con la colaboración de > Aitziber, Irantzu y > Garikoitz de Mogrobejo-Zabala > > Authors > Mogrobejo, Endika de (Main Author) > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
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Esperanza, Well, it is not so much that this conversation would be boring to other members as it is that it could easily drift away from the main area of interest of the Ranchos group. Anyway, just to reply to your previous post, here are a couple of comments. I still don't have a full picture of all the historical events related to the first Villarreales in "the New Spain". I know the first Villarreales that settled in Northeast Mexico were involved in mining for precious metals along with other historical characters as Bernabé de las Casas and Martin de Zavala. I believe the first mining sites in Mexico were located in the center of the country and there was a gradual movement in search of new sites in practically every direction. Many of the settlers of Nuevo Leon had already passed thru Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, etc. on their way up north. I believe such is the case for Diego de Villarreal. As you know, there are some Villarreales among the passenger list of some of the very first ships from Spain. And in my Internet searches I've come across some very old legal document from the early 1600's that mention some Villarreal in México City. That's the same period in which Diego de Villarreal appears in the chronicles of "Nuevo Reyno de León", which means that there were some other Villarreales down south. I will try to locate that document, as I remember saving it in some folder on my hard disk. There are very few historical documents with references to the surname Villarreal from the early colonial period and it is hard to put the puzzle together. It is just a couple of years since I started getting interested in this subject and don't have as much time to dedicate to this research as I would like. Well, you know how it is, but I hope that in time I can collect more bits and pieces of our history. Regarding Danny, the first thing that I find objectionable is the coat of arms that he displays on his web page as the Villarreal coat of arms. Coat of arms are not passed on to just anyone with the same name .
Title Stmnt.Resp. Authors Notes Subjects Format Language Publication Physical Series References Film Notes © 2002 Title Stmnt.Resp. Authors Notes Subjects Copies Format Language Publication Physical ISBN/ISSN Subject Series References Film Notes No film © 2002 It follows the family only of the original coat of arms owner and usually his eldest son. And besides that, there are about a dozen different designs of arms for the Villarreal surname, so how do you decide which one to choose. I think it is not right to give a wrong and misleading impression to people, particularly to those who are just starting out in their search of their genealogical roots. About the Sephardic origins, I admit that possibility but I haven't come across conclusive evidence, so I prefer to leave that as an open-ended issue. I would never try to apply a label to a whole group of people just because they share the same surname. Neither do I think is politically correct to glamorize the life of our ancestors as glorious "Conquistadors", particularly when so many unjustified atrocities were committed in historical times against so many people. Well, I don't want to ramble on and on. Now it's your turn to share some of your thoughts. (Everyone that cares to.) Victor --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote: |
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