Oh, thanks, Alicia,
Now I know that it must have been the Civil Registry office in Jerez that
generated that certified record I found on my father. My father had only
one sibling, a sister, Soledad Olague and I can't find anything on her
either, nor on their mother Gorgonia Garcia. Gorgonia died in Jerez, but
my father, his sister and his father and his father's mother and other relatives
came to the US in 1913. My grandfather, aunt and great-grandmother are
buried in Colorado, my father in San Jose.
I've been looking for birth records for them for years with no luck, and
have only found them for my grandfather and his parents. Back to the salt
mines.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Bautismos de
Hijos Legitimos
Emilie,
I find myself in the same situation. I cannot find birth or christening
records for my father in-law Antonio Carrillo Juaregui who was said to have
been born around 1901 in Nochistlan or Tlachichila Zacatecas. The breakthrough
came when I went to Salt Lake in March and found a birth record for one
of his brothers Julian Carrillo born in 1904.
Subsequent to that I did find the marriage records for Antonio's parents
Francisco Carrillo, Gomez and Mariana Jauregui, Olmos married
Oct,1899 in Nochistlan Zac. so that opened up a window and it's logical that
my father in-law would have been born in 1901 because he was said to be the
eldest of 3 children. I still can't find the other sibling or don't know
whatever happened to the sister or what her name was. My husband grew up
not knowing any family on his father's side and believing that his father was
orphaned. Come to find out he was not orphaned but abandoned by his parents or
so they say because I have not found death records for Francisco or Mariana in
that area.
I continue the search and I've been able to trace Mariana
Jauregui, Olmos' line back to 1785 but I haven't gotten very far with
Francisco Carrillo's line. I suspect that Francisco's father Marcial Carrillo
may have come from someplace other than Nochistlan. Marcial Carrillo did marry
Juliana Gomes on Jan 1 1874 in Nochistlan Zac.and I have that film on
order.
My father in-law had a certified record generated by the Registro Civil
with witnesses as a legal birth document but never had an official birth
certificate, so yes Emilie I understand your grief at not having the actual
birth or christening document for verification purposes but you may be able to
find one of his siblings.
Buena Suerte............Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
Ca
Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...>
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Oh, Angie, Victor,
I guess the priest my father talked to was correct. The records
for 1903 when my father was born were burned during the Revolucion.
The films skip from 1902 to 1906. I want to cry.
Emilie
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Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:07
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Bautismos
de Hijos Legitimos
Thaks, Angie ---- I guess I never looked at the whole list for Jerez
and only saw the Bautismos on the top.
Emilie Garcia
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Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005
1:36 PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Bautismos de
Hijos Legitimos
Emilie,
Here is this list:
Bautismos de
hijos naturales 1867-1891 - FHL INTL Film [ 439889 ]
Bautismos
de hijos naturales 1891-1902 - FHL INTL Film [ 439890
]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1906-1919 - FHL INTL Film [
439891 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1953-1961 - VAULT INTL
Film [ 439892 ]
Taken from this page:
title=http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai
href="http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai">http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai
lsprint.asp?titleno=354158
Good
luck on your search,
Angie Godina
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ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
> Yesterday I was at the local FHC again poring
over the microfilm
for baptisms from Jerez around the time my father
Guadalupe Olague
was born (January 28, 1903). I have never
been able to locate my
father's birth record in it, even though I
have found his father in
Tepetongo (Rancho Salitrillo) and others
there back to the early
1700's. While I was loading the film
yesterday, I noticed that the
title of the book filmed was
"Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos", and sure
enough, I did not find one
"hijo natural" or "hijo de padre no
conocido" in it. It seems
all other films I have searched included
all baptisms, hijos
naturales, adoptivos, etc. even if they made
reference to other
books where the actual names of the parents were
written. So,
hmmm, was Daddy illegitimate? If so, is there a book
for
"hijos naturales" that was not microfilmed? What would such a
book be called? Where would one obtain info from such a book,
and
would it take an act of congress to get it?
>
> My
father at one time (in the early 1960's) needed a birth record
for
work and for Social Security and we went from California to Jerez
to
the church there only to have the priest tell him that all records
for that time period had been burned during the Revolucion.
Sometime
later, my father must have contacted a lawyer there because
after my
mother died and I was going through all their records, I
found an
affadavit to prove his previously unrecorded birth.
As testigos and
witnesses that my father was born in Jerez were
listed some men
(maybe they are deceased by now) that bore the
surnames of his
parent's and grandparent's lines (Munos, Soriano.
Escobedo, Garcia).
His mother was Gorgonia Garcia. Where
and how did this lawyer find
them? One place name mentioned
was "La Gavia", but it is not one of
the places mentioned in the
film I have been looking at (0439867).
In the list of
Communidades (Rancherias) de Jerez that I have, La
Gavia is
mentioned as being founded by the Garcia-Cadena, Diaz, and
Escobedo
families at the end of the 16th century. The list names 142
communidades y rancherias for Jerez alone. Some of my father's
ancestors were Felix, and there is a community or rancho called Los
Felix on the list. That was founded by Jose and Doroteo Felix.
The
community of Tepetongo where my father's ancestors were from was
called Salitrillo, and is not listed in the list for Jerez even
though Tepetongo was in the Jurisdiccion de Jerez.
>
>
Does anyone know about books for "hijos naturales", etc?
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard,
WA.
>
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