Hi Charles, This is the e-mail address I have for Jose Luis: asturias_vazquez@... It may or may not be current since I haven't corresponded with him in a couple of years. Maria --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Clark" <cclark98@p...> wrote: > > Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e- mail and > postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book and would > like to replace it. > > Sincerely, > > Charles Clark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com> > To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:40 AM > Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 676 > > > > There are 15 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Need help with title. > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > 2. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund" > From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes <ojaurequireyes@y...> > 3. Re: Need help with title. > From: "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> > 4. Re: Need help with title. > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > 5. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund" > From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> > 6. RE: "Ranchos Support Fund" > From: "Irma GomezLucero" <igomezlucero@c...> > 7. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund" > From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> > 8. 1550: Suave!!! > From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> > 9. Re: Questions for Colotlan interview > From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> > 10. Br. Abbreviation. > From: José Román González López <jrgl01@y...> > 11. Re: 1550: Suave!!! > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > 12. Re: Br. Abbreviation. > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > 13. Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: Br. Abbreviation. > From: Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@k...> > 14. Re: Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: Br. Abbreviation. > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > 15. Re: 1550: Suave!!! > From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:34:44 -0000 > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > Subject: Need help with title. > > While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez > de Hermosillo. " > > I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for? > > I know it is a religious title. Is there any member out there that has > any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from > Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:50:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes <ojaurequireyes@y...> > Subject: Re: "Ranchos Support Fund" > > Joseph, > If all are in agreement I think this is a good idea. You can count me for > a $25 pledge. > > Olivia > So. Calif. > > Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote: For now we are over a hundred > members strong. I would like to run > something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to > having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"? > > I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to > have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in need or > for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort would > need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 members (no > ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. Before > the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would bring up the use > for group discussion. but after the discussion the decision for the use > would be made by the committee. > > If this is something that you all would consider going forward on then I > would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of the committee members > and possibly the Treasurer. Also I would like to pledge $25 to start the > contributions. > > But all that is premature if you all think this is not something worthwhile. > > what say ye? > > joseph > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "ranchos<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos>" > on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos- unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:42:19 -0800 > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > Subject: Re: Need help with title. > > Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of the Church ( Templo > San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal. But my guess is that he was either a son or > a brother of my ggggg granfather. I'll probably find out later. I am > related to Santo Toribio Romo. Third cousin, once removed. Have you ever > heard of this Saint? Santo Toribio Romo was from Santa Ana, Jalisco, just > outside of Jalos. They have just placed some of his relics in the new > (remodeled) Cathedral in Sacramento! He is the patron saint of the > immigrants. > > By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry all the way back to > about 1550 !!! 11 generations and Iam still in Jalostotitlan! but I hit > the wall...I guess Iam going to have to start looking in a different > direction now. > > Thank you for your help Emilie. > 1gnzlz@v... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emilie Garcia > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [ranchos] Need help with title. > > > John, > > According to Google "Br. Pbro." means Bachiller Presbitero. You had a > priest as an ancestor? Or was he a professor of some kind? > > Emilie Garcia > Port Orchard, WA --- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Gonzalez > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:34 AM > Subject: [ranchos] Need help with title. > > > While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez > de Hermosillo. " > > I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for? > > I know it is a religious title. Is there any member out there that has > any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from > Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Aguascalientes Criminal offenses Zacatecas > Zacatecas mexico Zacatecas hotel Fiesta americana aguascalientes > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:15:45 -0800 (PST) > From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> > Subject: Re: "Ranchos Support Fund" > > I hope everyone had or is still having a good holiday and I too contribute > $25.00 to the support fund. Just let me know where and when to send it. > > Con mis mejores deseos para todos........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca > > Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes <ojaurequireyes@y...> wrote: > Joseph, > If all are in agreement I think this is a good idea. You can count me for a > $25 pledge. > > Olivia > So. Calif. > > Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:For now we are over a hundred members > strong. I would like to run > something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to > having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"? > > I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to > have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in need or > for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort would > need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 members (no > ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. Before > the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would bring up the use > for group discussion. but after the discussion the decision for the use > would be made by the committee. > > If this is something that you all would consider going forward on then I > would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of the committee members > and possibly the Treasurer. Also I would like to pledge $25 to start the > contributions. > > But all that is premature if you all think this is not something worthwhile. > > what say ye? > > joseph > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > SPONSORED LINKS > Aguascalientes Criminal offenses Zacatecas Zacatecas mexico Zacatecas hotel > Fiesta americana aguascalientes > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:28:36 -0800 > From: "Irma GomezLucero" <igomezlucero@c...> > Subject: RE: "Ranchos Support Fund" > > Hi Joseph, > What would these funds be used for. I'm not real clear on this... > Irma > > ________________________________ > > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Joseph Puentes > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:04 PM > To: LosRanchos > Subject: [ranchos] "Ranchos Support Fund" > > > For now we are over a hundred members strong. I would like to run > something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to > having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"? > > I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to > have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in need or > for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort would > need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 members (no > ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. Before > the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would bring up the use > for group discussion. but after the discussion the decision for the use > would be made by the committee. > > If this is something that you all would consider going forward on then I > would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of the committee members > and possibly the Treasurer. Also I would like to pledge $25 to start the > contributions. > > But all that is premature if you all think this is not something > worthwhile. > > what say ye? > > joseph > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:59:07 -0500 > From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> > Subject: Re: "Ranchos Support Fund" > > > > Irma GomezLucero wrote: > > > Hi Joseph, > > What would these funds be used for. I'm not real clear on this... > > Well the support committee would be making the final decision on that. > But my reason for suggesting the funds creation was to have small > stipends available to send to members of the Ranchos group that found > themselves in need. And for causes that would directly benefit the > purpose of the Ranchos group. We would all be able to submit suggestions > for the use of the funds but the committee would make the final decision > on the distribution. > > joseph > > > Irma > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Joseph Puentes > > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:04 PM > > To: LosRanchos > > Subject: [ranchos] "Ranchos Support Fund" > > > > For now we are over a hundred members strong. I would like to run > > something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to > > having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"? > > > > I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to > > have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in need > > or for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort > > would need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 > > members (no ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the > > funds. Before the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would > > bring up the use for group discussion. but after the discussion the > > decision for the use would be made by the committee. > > > > If this is something that you all would consider going forward on then > > I would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of the committee > > members and possibly the Treasurer. Also I would like to pledge $25 to > > start the contributions. > > > > But all that is premature if you all think this is not something > > worthwhile. > > > > what say ye? > > > > joseph > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:59:39 -0500 > From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> > Subject: 1550: Suave!!! > > > > John Gonzalez wrote: > > > Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of the Church > > ( Templo San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal. But my guess is that he was > > either a son or a brother of my ggggg granfather. I'll probably find > > out later. I am related to Santo Toribio Romo. Third cousin, once > > removed. Have you ever heard of this Saint? Santo Toribio Romo was > > from Santa Ana, Jalisco, just outside of Jalos. They have just placed > > some of his relics in the new (remodeled) Cathedral in Sacramento! > > He is the patron saint of the immigrants. > > > > By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry all the way > > back to about 1550 !!! > > Suave! 1550. . .wow. give us the details. You don't have to tell every > little detail but some of them would be great. Maybe some could pick up > some points in doing their own genealogy research. > > . . .and just a thought. I don't believe that you can say you have hit a > wall until you have thoroughly examined all those records you discovered > this past week leading you back to 1550. After you do that and then > examine collateral lines related to this research you might could say > you hit the wall. but even if you did its a wall built 400+ years ago! Cool! > > joseph > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:04:51 -0500 > From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> > Subject: Re: Questions for Colotlan interview > > great questions thanks Ed. . .I'll be using many if not all. > > thanks, > > joseph > > > > Edward Serros wrote: > > >--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote: > > > > > >>All the Colotlan and nearby area researchers of this group. Help me come > >>up with some interview questions for these Historiadores. > >> > >>what do you want to know? > >> > >>joseph > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >1. What is the mining history of Colotlan? > >2. Were the inhabitants of Colotlan and nearby areas migratory in nature, > >looking for the > >best jobs they could? > >3. Did the Native American Indians of Colotlan survive? Are they still > >there? > >4. Is it true the haciendas turned over every three generations? > >5. What percent of the population in the 1700's and 1800's actually lived > >in the "city", like > >Colotlan vis-á-vis on the small ranches/haciendas? > >6. How did Colotlan compare in the 1700's and 1800's to the major cities of > >Guadalajuara > >and Mexico City? > >7. Who were the important figures in Colotlan history, both Spanish and > >Native American > >Indian? > >8. How much influence did the Catholic Church have in the area? How much > >land did the > >Catholic church own or control before the land reforms of the 1850's? > >9. Why was Colotlan originally chosen as a site for colonization by the > >Spanish? > >10. When did the Spanish first come in force to the area? Were there > >distinct "waves" of > >immigration? Where did these Spaniards come from---provinces? > >11. Is Colotlan today a prosperous city? If so, why? If not, why not? > >12. Does a large percentage of the young people in Colotlan emigrate to USA > >today? If so, > >why? > >13. Is "status" in Colotlan and the nearby area based on race or money or > >family history? > >14. Is the area still Catholic? > > > > > >Basta. > > > >Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:37:33 -0600 (CST) > From: José Román González López <jrgl01@y...> > Subject: Br. Abbreviation. > > Hi John: > The "Br." abbreviation is meaning to "Bachiller" (Bachelor). > Success! > JRGL. > Mexico City. > > John Gonzalez wrote: > While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez > de Hermosillo. " > I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for? > I know it is a religious title. Is there any member out there that has > any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from > Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por > $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:28:15 -0800 > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > Subject: Re: 1550: Suave!!! > > I can give a very brief account of what I've been doing, but I feel that > being able to go back about 455 years was mostly luck and the fact that my > ancestors stayed in the same town (Jalostotitlan, Jal.) for that whole > period. From about 1550 to 1917 , when my Grandfather brought his family to > California. > > I got started with the family tree about 5 months ago, not knowing anything > at all about findings roots and doing research. I was surfing the internet > one day and just happened to run into the Ranchos web site. I noticed that > the area of research being done by the group was mainly in Los Altos and > sorrounding areas. I only had one piece of information when I started, and > that was that my grandfather was from Jalisco and that he had been born in > 1875. > > I went to visit a cousin, who is 80 plus years old, to see if I could get > him to tell me something about the family. I found out that the family was > from Jalostotitlan, and that they had come to California around 1917. I > also have a picture of my grandfather standing next to his truck. I noticed > the license plate: California-1928. > > I went to the Census records and found the family living in Fullerton, > California. Information about my family for the period, 1917 to the > present, was collected from living relatives at family reunions and family > visits. Now, anytime I see a relative, I bug them to tell me as much as > they know about our family. > > I started by searching the LDS files. I found out that they have a > mountain of information on Jalostotitlan. My next step was to visit the > local LDS Family Research Center to order films to locate my grandfather. > Once I found him, it was just a matter of trying to follow the thread as far > back in time as possible. Some of the records were a tough challange to > read, not only because of the handwriting, but on some of them, the writing > from the back side was also visible, reversed, and mixed with the writing > on the front side. I guess the ink had "bled" through the paper . Many > times I felt like giving it all up. I am sure I am not the only one that > has come across this type of problem. > > My wife is from Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Last June, we went to visit her > family and spent two weeks in the area. I had visited Teocaltiche quite a > few times before, but I never bother to look anything up, until this last > trip. My interest had not been stimulated until I joined the Ranchos group > a few months ago. We went to Jalostotitlan and found the "Rancho Los > Portales" where my family originated. It is just about 3 miles out of > town. I found and talked to some of the descendants of other original > settlers who rememberd their grandfather talking about my grandfather. They > pointed out the house where my granfather was born. I don't have the words > to describe the thrill and excitement that I felt when I stood there, in the > same place where my grandfather and great -grandfather lived . Needless to > say, I was overwhelmed with emotion... > Upon our return, I was determined to keep on searching as far as I could. > I've spent a lot of hours searching through the LDS records and now, I don't > regret any minute of it. It has been a very exciting everytime I found a > new grandfather, 11 generations so far... > > My last grandfather (my first grandfather?) was married in 1570 to a lady > from Mexico City, from there on down, all of the descendants were married > in Jalostotitlan. It looks like my search from now on will have to be from > Mexico City. > > Great items that I have found out so far: > 1.-My family has beeen in Jalostotitlan since 1550. > 2.-I am third cousin, once removed to a saint. Santo Toribio Romo. > 3.-I am also , possibly, related to Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. He > was one of the "Insurgentes" who fought for Mexican independence from spain > in 1810-1819. The capital of Sonora, Hermosillo , was named in his honor. > He fought in Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and Sonora. I said, possibly related > , because the records are not very clear. Teocaltiche claims him, but so > does Jalostotitlan, where he lived with his family. > 4.-My wife's last name is Vallejo. There might be a connection there to > General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo. He was the last Mexican Governor of > Northern California. There is a lot of information about him and the > founding of Sonoma Mission, just North of San Francisco, and the Napa, > Sonoma, Mendocino wine country. There is hardly any information about his > father and mother. So far, I have found some contradicting reports in the > LDS films...some have him getting married in San Diego, and some in > Monterrey In one, they list it as Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico! The > Montrerrey where he was born is just south of San Francisco!. In one film > they got him getting married in San Diego and Monterey on the same day! > That is an entire different story that I'll try to tackle after I get a > little further back in time with my side of the family. > > In conclusion...I can't thank enough: The Ranchos Group members, the LDS > for providing such valuable records and service. Irma Gomez Lucero, and of > course, Joseph, who makes the Ranchos Group what it is. > > GRACIAS A TODOS POR LA GRAN EXPERIENCIA. > > Did I say I was going to be brief? sorry if I over extended the invitation, > Joseph. > > 1gnzlz@v... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Puentes > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:59 PM > Subject: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!! > > > > > John Gonzalez wrote: > > Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of the Church ( > Templo San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal. But my guess is that he was either a > son or a brother of my ggggg granfather. I'll probably find out later. I > am related to Santo Toribio Romo. Third cousin, once removed. Have you ever > heard of this Saint? Santo Toribio Romo was from Santa Ana, Jalisco, just > outside of Jalos. They have just placed some of his relics in the new > (remodeled) Cathedral in Sacramento! He is the patron saint of the > immigrants. > > By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry all the way back > to about 1550 !!! > > Suave! 1550. . .wow. give us the details. You don't have to tell every > little detail but some of them would be great. Maybe some could pick up some > points in doing their own genealogy research. > > . . .and just a thought. I don't believe that you can say you have hit a > wall until you have thoroughly examined all those records you discovered > this past week leading you back to 1550. After you do that and then examine > collateral lines related to this research you might could say you hit the > wall. but even if you did its a wall built 400+ years ago! Cool! > > joseph > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:43:22 -0800 > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > Subject: Re: Br. Abbreviation. > > Thank you for the information Jose. > Have you researched your "GONZALEZ" side of your family yet? > I am a Gonzalez from the "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" from Jalostotitlan, > Jalisco. > 1gnzlz@v... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: José Román González López > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:37 PM > Subject: [ranchos] Br. Abbreviation. > > > Hi John: > The "Br." abbreviation is meaning to "Bachiller" (Bachelor). > Success! > JRGL. > Mexico City. > > John Gonzalez wrote: > While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez > de Hermosillo. " > I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for? > I know it is a religious title. Is there any member out there that has > any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from > Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por > $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:41:40 -0600 > From: Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@k...> > Subject: Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: Br. Abbreviation. > > Is anyone else besides me descended from Cenobio Gonzalez? His parents > are Prudencio Gonzalez and Severiana Salcedo. I'm stuck there, can't > find anything about their parents! Any of you Gonzalezes out there > connected to them? Help! Marge V:) > > On Nov 26, 2005, at 8:43 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > > > Thank you for the information Jose. > > Have you researched your "GONZALEZ" side of your family yet? > > I am a Gonzalez from the "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" from Jalostotitlan, > > Jalisco. > > 1gnzlz@v... > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: José Román González López > >> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:37 PM > >> Subject: [ranchos] Br. Abbreviation. > >> > >> Hi John: > >> The "Br." abbreviation is meaning to "Bachiller" (Bachelor). > >> Success! > >> JRGL. > >> Mexico City. > >> > >> John Gonzalez wrote: > >> While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez > >> de Hermosillo. " > >> I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for? > >> I know it is a religious title. Is there any member out there that > >> has > >> any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up? Any help will be > >> greatly appreciated. The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from > >> Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. > >> > >> Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo > >> por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: > >> 11/25/2005 > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Aguascalientes > > Criminal offenses > > Zacatecas > > Zacatecas mexico > > Zacatecas hotel > > Fiesta americana aguascalientes > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > â-ª Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > > > > â-ª To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > â-ª Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:09:39 -0800 > From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> > Subject: Re: Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: Br. Abbreviation. > > Hi Margarita: > My grandmother was from Jerez and her last name was Gonzalez. I have not > had a chance to start looking in that area yet. Her name was Apolonia > Gonzalez married to Preciliano Cerros. About 1880... > > 1gnzlz@v... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:51:38 -0500 > From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> > Subject: Re: 1550: Suave!!! > > > > John Gonzalez wrote: > > > I can give a very brief account of what I've been doing, but I feel > > that being able to go back about 455 years was mostly luck and the > > fact that my ancestors stayed in the same town (Jalostotitlan, Jal.) > > for that whole period. From about 1550 to 1917 , when my Grandfather > > brought his family to California. > > > > I got started with the family tree about 5 months ago, not knowing > > anything at all about findings roots and doing research. I was > > surfing the internet one day and just happened to run into the Ranchos > > web site. I noticed that the area of research being done by the group > > was mainly in Los Altos and sorrounding areas. I only had one piece > > of information when I started, and that was that my grandfather was > > from Jalisco and that he had been born in 1875. > > > > I went to visit a cousin, who is 80 plus years old, to see if I could > > get him to tell me something about the family. I found out that the > > family was from Jalostotitlan, and that they had come to California > > around 1917. I also have a picture of my grandfather standing next to > > his truck. I noticed the license plate: California-1928. > > see what I mean that others could learn. I have this picture of my Dad > next to a vehicle and wanted to learn more. So you're saying that the > DMV has records for old license plates available? What was all the > information they included and How can I from NC find the information? Is > there an address I send my request to? I guess I can do that research on > the net to come up with something but if you wouldn't mind calling an > asking if there is a certain website or department I could call that > would be great. > > > > > I went to the Census records and found the family living in Fullerton, > > California. Information about my family for the period, 1917 to the > > present, was collected from living relatives at family reunions and > > family visits. Now, anytime I see a relative, I bug them to tell me > > as much as they know about our family. > > > > I started by searching the LDS files. I found out that they have a > > mountain of information on Jalostotitlan. My next step was to visit > > the local LDS Family Research Center to order films to locate my > > grandfather. Once I found him, it was just a matter of trying to > > follow the thread as far back in time as possible. Some of the > > records were a tough challange to read, not only because of the > > handwriting, but on some of them, the writing from the back side was > > also visible, reversed, and mixed with the writing on the front side. > > I guess the ink had "bled" through the paper . Many times I felt > > like giving it all up. I am sure I am not the only one that has come > > across this type of problem. > > have a look at this page (http://home.nc.rr.com/puentes/) for some > before and after examples of how I can clean up these fotos. I'm really > busy these days but if you are really patient like in "months" send me > that "one" record you would love to have restored and I'll try to do a > before and after on it. Sometimes the records are restorable sometimes > they are not I'd have to see them. I went through and did my abuelos and > bis abuelos etc. Don't send me any originals but photocopies and a Scan > in an email would be best. Send them via email to me directly or to: > > Joseph Puentes > PO Box 12123 > Durham, NC 27709 > > > > > My wife is from Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Last June, we went to visit her > > family and spent two weeks in the area. I had visited Teocaltiche > > quite a few times before, but I never bother to look anything up, > > until this last trip. My interest had not been stimulated until I > > joined the Ranchos group a few months ago. We went to Jalostotitlan > > and found the "Rancho Los Portales" where my family originated. It is > > just about 3 miles out of town. I found and talked to some of the > > descendants of other original settlers who rememberd their grandfather > > talking about my grandfather. They pointed out the house where my > > granfather was born. I don't have the words to describe the thrill > > and excitement that I felt when I stood there, in the same place where > > my grandfather and great -grandfather lived . Needless to say, I was > > overwhelmed with emotion... > > Upon our return, I was determined to keep on searching as far as I > > could. I've spent a lot of hours searching through the LDS records > > and now, I don't regret any minute of it. It has been a very > > exciting everytime I found a new grandfather, 11 generations so far... > > > > My last grandfather (my first grandfather?) was married in 1570 to a > > lady from Mexico City, from there on down, all of the descendants > > were married in Jalostotitlan. It looks like my search from now on > > will have to be from Mexico City. > > no matter you will probably find better records available from there > including information possibly found in the AGN. > > > > > Great items that I have found out so far: > > 1.-My family has beeen in Jalostotitlan since 1550. > > 2.-I am third cousin, once removed to a saint. Santo Toribio Romo. > > 3.-I am also , possibly, related to Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. > > He was one of the "Insurgentes" who fought for Mexican independence > > from spain in 1810-1819. The capital of Sonora, Hermosillo , was > > named in his honor. He fought in Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and > > Sonora. I said, possibly related , because the records are not very > > clear. Teocaltiche claims him, but so does Jalostotitlan, where he > > lived with his family. > > 4.-My wife's last name is Vallejo. There might be a connection there > > to General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo. He was the last Mexican > > Governor of Northern California. There is a lot of information about > > him and the founding of Sonoma Mission, just North of San Francisco, > > and the Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino wine country. There is hardly any > > information about his father and mother. So far, I have found some > > contradicting reports in the LDS films...some have him getting married > > in San Diego, and some in Monterrey In one, they list it as Monterrey, > > Nuevo Leon, Mexico! The Montrerrey where he was born is just south of > > San Francisco!. In one film they got him getting married in San Diego > > and Monterey on the same day! > > That is an entire different story that I'll try to tackle after I get > > a little further back in time with my side of the family. > > > > In conclusion...I can't thank enough: The Ranchos Group members, the > > LDS for providing such valuable records and service. Irma Gomez > > Lucero, and of course, Joseph, who makes the Ranchos Group what it is. > > > > GRACIAS A TODOS POR LA GRAN EXPERIENCIA. > > > > Did I say I was going to be brief? sorry if I over extended the > > invitation, Joseph.\ > > You were brief. this account could easily have been 5 more pages and I > would have gladly welcomed it. You are a great example of what can be > done. You used many resources and have been successful. Not to say that > even those that use all the resources will be as successful, but how > will we ever know unless we dig in all the corners and have a look, just > like you did. Great job and if you want to expand it a bit and turn it > into audio I would welcome your story in the "oral history" section of > the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. Let me know off the list. > > Amazing! > > joseph > > ps: I'm sure others in the group have similar stories of how they went > from Zero to what they now know. I would think that most of those > stories would describe a time frame of years rather than John's months > (amazing!), but still they would be interesting and others could learn > from them. If anyone else would care to tell your story please do. I > think others will find interest and possibly do like I did and find a > "nugget" that can be used for their own research. > > > > > 1gnzlz@v... <mailto:1gnzlz@v...> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joseph Puentes <mailto:makas@n...> > > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:59 PM > > Subject: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!! > > > > > > > > John Gonzalez wrote: > > > >> Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of the > >> Church ( Templo San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal. But my guess is > >> that he was either a son or a brother of my ggggg granfather. > >> I'll probably find out later. I am related to Santo Toribio > >> Romo. Third cousin, once removed. Have you ever heard of this > >> Saint? Santo Toribio Romo was from Santa Ana, Jalisco, just > >> outside of Jalos. They have just placed some of his relics in > >> the new (remodeled) Cathedral in Sacramento! He is the patron > >> saint of the immigrants. > >> > >> By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry all the > >> way back to about 1550 !!! > > > > Suave! 1550. . .wow. give us the details. You don't have to tell > > every little detail but some of them would be great. Maybe some > > could pick up some points in doing their own genealogy research. > > > > . . .and just a thought. I don't believe that you can say you have > > hit a wall until you have thoroughly examined all those records > > you discovered this past week leading you back to 1550. After you > > do that and then examine collateral lines related to this research > > you might could say you hit the wall. but even if you did its a > > wall built 400+ years ago! 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