Rosalinda,
What years do the Mitra records cover? Is it from 1685 to 1799?
You answered my prayer for someone to do look-ups for me, since I cannot afford
$160.00 (old lady on a fixed income that I am).
Thanks,
Emilie Garcia
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra
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Hi group,
I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs
$160. I purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful
and interesting. It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the
relationships between pretensos. As a favor to the group, I would be
happy to do lookups of names. The book focuses on the areas within the
archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early 1700s.
If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the complete names of a
couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and approximate dates
to my private email address. I'll respond as soon as
possible. The summaries briefly relate what is in the dispensation,
along with the FHC film number so you can look up the actual document.
Rosalinda
-----Original Message----- From: Arturo Ramos
Sent: Oct 10, 2005 11:29 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records
Alicia:
I must say I have been very lucky
as well. I actually started last
Spring, but like Maria, I had help
from some relatives. On my
maternal side, I have an aunt who has
incredible memory and still
recalls the names and family history of her
great-grandparents from
stories told to her as a child. On my
paternal side, my father was
made the keeper of family history when he was
handed a pile of
documents by an uncle shortly before his death.
These two
repositories made it much easier to delve into the baptismal
records
since I had good family information going back to the late
1800s.
The next piece of luck I had was that the main town where I have
been
researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church records... no
missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI. Now that I have
started branching out more and more to other towns, I realize that
this is not the case everywhere.
Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz
and Angie Godina, from this group
have helped me out a lot. Also,
the local histories and genealogies
that have been written up and the land
documents and censuses that
have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes
Salazar for Totatiche have
been very helpful. I know that the easy
part is now over as the
baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche
and Colotlan.
Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion and I
spend every
other Saturday at the Family History Center and lots of free
time
doing research, filling in holes, etc.
Alicia, I had not heard
of this Retonos de Espana book... I will have
to look it up, though even
the Library of Congress does not appear to
have a copy.
Alberto,
the Sagrada Mitra is a transcription of a large number of
FHL/LDS films on
marriage dispensations by the Bishphoric of New
Galicia (which included
the modern states of Jalisco, Nayarit,
Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo
Leon, and Texas) in the 1600s and
1700s, with a name index. The FHL
in Salt Lake City has a copy, but
it is not on film. I suggest you
try to find a copy near you in a
library... Alternatively you can order
one from Borderlands Books.
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In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814" <mcortez3@g...>
wrote:
>
> Alicia,
>
> I am one of those lucky
ones who have gotten back that far. The
> thing that helped me is
that one of my relatives had done some
> research prior to me starting
mine. She gave me copies of
certified
> baptismal records for
5 generations back. That helped with one of
my
>
grandparent's lineage. Then, I delved into the Sagrada Mitra
records
> and found one dispensa that gave me 5 generations for one
couple.
> The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes interviews
of at least 5
> individuals. The marriage took place in
1735. That dispensa gave
me
> my big breakthrough when I
borrowed a copy of Retoños de España en
la
> Nueva Galicia and
found several of my lines going back to the
> 1500's! Needless to
say, that was a very exciting moment for me.
>
> I have
several genealogy books, but in my opinion, there isn't a
> single book
that is as comprehensive as Retoños (vol 2) for those
of
> us
researching roots in Nueva Galicia. I am anxiously awaiting for
>
the new editions which the author (Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) is
>
working on presently. The first edition of Vol 1 & 2 are out of
> print. I borrowed my copy from the California State Library.
>
> I guess the moral of the story is: don't rely solely on microfilm
for
> research. Look for books containing published
genealogies in your
> area of research and ask family members for
whatever records they
may
> have.
>
> Maria
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...>
wrote:
> >
> > Arturo,
> >
> >
I have to say congratulations, I'm very happy for you and at the
> same
time a little envious of your accomplishments. How long have
you
>
been researching your ancestry that you have gotten this far back
in
> time? I think for those of us who think we are not getting there as
> fast as we'd like or making as much progress as others seemingly
are
> making, we'd like to know and get an approximate time of
reference
so
> as not to get too discouraged. We need a little
encouragement. I
not
> only put that question out to you but to the
rest of the group.
> >
> > Another question to the
group is how many of you are doing
lateral
> research. By lateral I
mean across one time span say in a 50 year
> range. I'll give an
example 1900-1950 which is where I'm focusing
on
> now. This would
include aunts and uncles, their children, spouses
and
>
descendants. For me at least it makes it very interesting to be
able
> to put a face with the names. Another reason I'm doing this is
> because our area of research is so small that everyone in these
towns
> was related several times over and I many times by way of
> conversations get the sense that we were related in more ways than
we
> can even begin to imagine. They will or would say, "oh yeah my
tia
> was related to your tio" and I was always left wondering whether
it
> was true and if true how was that possible.
> >
> > Anyway just curious to see how others are doing their research
and
> again congratulations and I wishing you many more
breakthroughs. I
> know how exciting it is when you make a dent in that
brick wall.
> >
> > Sinceramente, Alicia Avelar de
Carrillo
> >
> > I myself am not only going back in
time but because I know of
many
> present family lines am working
laterally in addition to just going
> back in time.
> >
> > Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> > This
weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
> (which
> > by the way is an incredible resource that everyone should look
at
> if
> > you have traced your lineages going back as far
as the 1700s) and
> made
> > a couple of breakthroughs.
These have taken my research to some
> new
> > towns, namely
Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most likely the area
> around
>
> Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is doing
research
> in
> > these places and any hints that would be
useful.
> >
> > The breakthroughs are as follows:
>
>
> > Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil,
Zacatecas,
> > illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA and
Isabel DE
> PIERO.
> > He later moved to Guadalajara,
where he was raised and schooled
by
> Sr.
> > Doctor Don
Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the Consejo de su
> Majestad,
>
> Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.
> >
> >
(Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born in Monte
Escobedo
> and
> > baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find
his baptismal
> record
> > in VRI... looks like some years
are missing), son of Lorenso
PINEDO
> and
> > Josepha
GAMBOA. He later moved to Juanacatic, Totatiche, Jalisco
> and
> > he and his sons continued to marry into families from Monte
> Escobedo
> > (ROMERO and ROJAS)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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