A few items that interest me...

Perhaps someone knows a "next step" and can help me continue to build a
family tree. I am looking for an ancestor, "Manuel Carrillo Buezo" born
sometime in the late 1700's.

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I have this family in my records but they sometimes go by Ruiz so it's been confusing to say the least. this is the first record I have for that line:
My files are on Rootsweb.com and my file name is Mexico, I hope this helps you a bit.
My maternal line from the Tamazula area are Gutierrez/Mendez but at this point I'm not sure how your line connects with mine but I only record the records of my family and the lines they married into.
My mother was Dolores Gutierrez 19 Sept 1924, you can go to pedigree in text form to see my maternal line.
Linda Castanon-Long
 .
Marriage 30 Nov 1794 in Tamazula, Jalisco
Don Pedro Antonio Ruiz from Tegualtichi El Grande, Guadalajara now in Tamazula 21 years
widower of Dona Maria Cathalina Boeso in Tamazula 2 months
with: Dona Juliana Rosalia Macias from Tamazula
widow Don Juan Bernardino Garcia 5 years in Tonila, Tuxpan
pad: Juan Antonio Coria and Marcela Masias his wife
wit: Rafael Urzua and Jose Manuel Zuniga
source: 0226027 Tamazula marriages
.
. next

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I have to second what Linda says. My Carrillo line in Tamazula was also Ruiz
alias Carrillo ... I don't know the reason but that is the way the documents
are written. So I would suggest that you continue your search with that
possibility. As to your question on ethnicity being mentioned in later
records - yes, there was a deliberate effort made to stop the racial
distinctions.

-Angelina-

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keep in mind too that once the Mulatos and Yndios married other nationalities they were now Mestiso's and for the Mulatos their children were now free..

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I have to second what Linda says. My Carrillo line in Tamazula was also Ruiz alias Carrillo ... I don't know the reason but that is the way the documents are written. So I would suggest that you continue your search with that possibility. As to your question on ethnicity being mentioned in later records - yes, there was a deliberate effort made to stop the racial distinctions.

-Angelina-

Pinedo family tree

Hey everyone --

As I've been trying to put together a family tree of my Pinedo line, I was thinking that I should share my progress for any others doing Pinedo research.

It's still a work in pro

Solicito información:

Me he convertido hace unas semanas en miembro de Nuestros Ranchos y estoy a oscuras como ingresar a sus diferentes enlaces. Casi estoy perdido.

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Ambrosio De Armas

I was wondering if my ancestor Juan Ambrosio De Armas if possible be related
to Juan Armas Currion Born in Nochistlan on 26 march 1686

Geronimo de Anda and Beatris Ramirez de Mendoza

I have hit a deadend with this couple.
The father of Beatris is Joseph Ramirez de Mendoza (from the daughter's Dispensation).

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Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Como no pusiste nombre a quien le envias, supongo me lo envias a mi,por favor confirma si asi es,saludos.

A T E N T A M E N T E

BARBA JOSEPH BARBA

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Jose de Jesus,

Mi ultimo mensaje esta dirigido a Austin. Casi siempre escribo primero el nombre de la persona a quien dirijo mis mensajes y al ultimos pongo mi nombre. Así me han enseñado escribir todos mensajes sean en una carta, letra, correo electronico, o foro. Este foro es el único lugar donde que quieren que escribamos primero nuestro nombre que es una cosa de que todavía no me puedo acostumbrar. Se me hace una cosa muy rara.

Saludos,
Armando

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Austin,

Concerning what you have in http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Anda_Altamirano-14

The first wife of Gerónimo de Anda Altamirano and mother of Lucas and Calixto was named Mariana as evidenced in the marriage of Lucas de Anda https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-378-86?cc=1874591&wc=1…

The name Catharina used in the dispensa of Bartolo Muñoz and María de San José de Anda was an error. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-378-86?cc=1874591&wc=1…

Beatriz Ramirez de Mendoza, the 2nd wife of Gerónimo de Anda Altamirano, was the daughter of Ana Muñoz de Hermosillo.

Saludos
Armando

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Deedra,

The following page should help you out. http://goo.gl/Cb5NX

Armando

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM, wrote:

I have hit a deadend with this couple. The father of Beatris is Joseph
> Ramirez de Mendoza (from the daughter's Dispensation). They are the parents
> of two daughters that I have been able to locate: Maria Nicolasa de Anda:
> Born 14 December, 1696 in Jalostitlan, Jal. She married Diego Marquez on 16
> Jan. 1715 in Jalostitlan: https://familysearch.org/pal:/**
> MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-204-85?cc=**1874591&wc=12506202
>
> Anna de Anda: Married on 14 Feb. 1713 to Juan Trinidad Gomez de Mendoza;
> son of Diego Gomez de Mendoza and Francisca Leal y Ayala
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-452-73?cc=**
> 1874591&wc=12506202
>
> They received a dispensation:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18418-37347-35?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12512702
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you,
> Deedra Corona

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Javier González López Portillo
this information
JUAN MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació el 6 Mar. 1716 en SNJUAN
MARIA THERESA MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació el 25 May 1718 en SNJUAN
BRIGIDA CATALINA MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació el 20 Oct. 1720 en SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS
JUAN MATHIAS MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació en 1722
LUIS ANTONIO MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació el 2 Sep. 1724 en SNJUAN
BEATRIZ DE SAN MARTÍN MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació el 24 Nov. 1726 en SAN JUAN DE
JUANA MARIANA MARQUEZ DE ANDA nació el 6 Mar. 1729 en SAN JUAN DE
DIEGO MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació el 17 Abr. 1731 en SAN JUAN
DIEGO ANTONIO MARQUEZ DE ANDA nació el 11 Oct. 1733 en SAN JUAN
MARIA GERTRUDIS MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació el 4 Oct. 1737 en CASUELA, SN JN
GERONIMO FERMIN MARQUEZ DE ANDA ALTAMIRANO nació el 5 Jun. 1741 en SNJUAN

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Hi Deedra, my name is Ann Marie Gutierrez and I'm doing the same search. I've
traced my grandfather, Jose H. Gutierrez 1879 to his father;  Guadalupe
Gutierrez, 1853;  Jose Blas Gutierrez, 1812;   to Jose Manuel Gutierrez 1763;
 he married Magdalena Martin Ayala. 

Armando helped me a lot in searching for my family ancestors since I'm new at
this and he sent me an email with the following info. 

  Manuel Gutierrez was the son of Salvador Gutierrez de Mendoza and Mariana
Hurtado de Mendoza; married 16 Oct 1719 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.    They had
a dispensation request dated 22 Aug 1719.    Armando did a further search that
showed Salvador to be the son of  Salvador Gutierrez de Mendoza and Damiana
Vazquez de Lara.   He did a further search on Geneanet and found;  Francisco
Gutierrez Rubio married to Ana Gonzalez Florida which just may be the first
Gutierrez and the source of our line.    I was truly amazed with all the
research Armando did but unfortunately, I have

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Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Te mande un correo directo, espero lo recibas, si no mandamelo tu, por favor.

Si no recibiste el correo que menciono, te digo lo que te mande de Geronimo de Anda, el utilizo el apellido de la madre, ya que fue hijo leg. de Don Alonso Fernandez de Rueda y de Doña Ana Ruiz de Anda y lo transmitio a sus ddescendientes, yo entre ellos, esta es una costumbre española muy antigua, saludos

need heloo from LDS researcher

I am not an LDS and need someone to access some information submitted on my family. If you can help me can you please send me an email at: shcorona@gmail.com
thank you so much

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A great part of family members are identify on an Index project, that I will like to have all the names and dates included on two projects.
Can any meember of LDS help me?

Sylvia Herenia Corona Cortes

Trinidad Martinez

Hello Everyone,

I am trying to do some research on my grandfather Trinidad Martinez, but have not been able o find his place of birth.  I am using "familysearch.org/mexico-genealogy"  He was born

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John,

Sometimes it is difficult to find individuals from that recent period just
using the online familysearch.org search engine so you'll probably have to
resort to turning pages one by one first in San Miguel el Alto and then
expand your research to the area of AGS that you speculate he might have
been born:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=MEXICO

scroll down to Jalisco

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.fami…
rch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1874591

and to San Miguel el Alto:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…
ch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2F12503115%3Fcc%3D187459

or for Civil Records:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.fami…
rch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1918187

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…
ch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMMBB-NHJ%3An604286422%3Fcc%3D1918187

now for

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Hi John

I found some useful clues and info on the records of border crossing which I accessed through Ancestry.com. I think you can try it out through a trial version.
I saw who came across with whom, what town they came from in Mexico, and who they were going to stay with in the US,ages of the children and where they were born...This was for 1908 or 9. I had tried it on a lark, had always assumed they were undocumented, but I got lucky. Knowing specifically which town they came from has of course enabled me to narrow my searches.

Regards
Denise

for anyone who has juan de la torre and clara chavez on their tree

i found a marriage record for their son agustin here

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15237-5908-37?cc=1410092&wc=…

i wanted to share this with you guys.

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Ancestros del Mariscal Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola a todos,

Para los interesados en los orígenes genealógicos del Mariscal José María
Gonzalez de Hermosillo, aquí les envío el siguiente link
http://www.rickrod.com/jmgh con los res

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Carlos Peredo
Estimado Don Ricardo es un gusto saludarle para agradecerle por su valioso trabajo sobre Don José María González de Hermosillo y sus ascendientes.
Hay un punto en el que encuentro que falta precisión y es referente al nacimiento de Juan González de Hermosillo (el que casa con María Muñóz) ya que usted señala que dicha boda se debió realizar ca 1575 y en este portal Eddy Gutérrez de Hermosillo señala que tal Juan nació en julio de 1571-al parecer tomando la información de Dorantes CArranza-, de ser así, la boda debió ser más bien ca 1600, lo cual me parece más adecuado ya que su nieto Diego nace ca 1625 y casa en 1645 con Luisa Muñóz de Nava en Teocaltiche

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Estimado Don Carlos,
Gracias por escribir acerca del Mariscal Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Estoy completamente de acuerdo que las fechas no parecen ser correctas, por este mismo motivo fue el que decidi omitir el nombre de sus (supuestos) padres, ya que no estoy convencido al cien por ciento de que el Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo, hijo de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Ana Rodriguez se trate de la misma persona que el genearca del linaje De Hermosillo en la Nueva Galicia.
Me gustaria investigar acerca de esta importante familia Neo-Gallega para tener la certeza de su ascendencia, pero desafortunadamente en estos momentos no cuento con el tiempo requerido para hacer esto. Si usted tiene algun documento donde se asiente que Juan GDH es hijo de Juan GDH y de Ana Rodriguez, le agadeceria mucho que nos lo hiciera saber.
De nuevo muchas gracias, y espero sigamos en contacto. Mi correo personal es rodriguezdefrias@gmail.com.
Saludos cordiales,
Ricardo Rodriguez

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Ricardo,

Te felicito por tu gran aportación! Se que has trabajando muchísimo con la genealogía del mariscal. Te mando noticias que tengo varias partidas de bautismo de los hermanos del mariscal. Por un período de 12 años la familia vivieron en el partido de Zamora en Michoacán entre la década de los 1770. Donde tuvieron sucesión. Sólo que estoy fuera del país por ahora. La mujer de Andrés González de Hermosillo pertenece a la familia Romero de Chávez, terminé de estudar su genealogía hace un año.

Saludos desde Brasil,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Javier González López Portillo
Sr. Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena.
Mi reconocimiento a tan brillante investigación, muchas felicidades y adelante. saludos y un fuerte abrazo enhorabuena.

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Muchas gracias Javier, recibe igualmente un abrazo fuerte de mi parte. Esperemos que no paren aquí las buenas noticias, todo gracias al trabajo en equipo.

Ignacio Martinez or Martin de Sotomayor

Hi All, Im looking for the parents of Ignacio Martinez de Sotomayor
who married Petronila de Magana (bapt, 1 Nov 1698) on 30 Nov 1725

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Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas.
Es correcto, pero sin el Ygnacio, es el Cap. Ysidro Martin o Martinez de Sotomayor y es hijo leg. de Andres Martin de Sotomayor o Martin Camacho y de Doña Maria de Isla y Moctesuma. Saludos.

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Juan jose ignacio martin de sotomayor, son of juan Ignacio Isidro martin Sotomayor and josefa ramirez rodriguez lopez de la cerda was married to josefa casillas Gomez on 22Jun1700. J.J.Ignacio and Josefa had a son named Juan Ignacio M de S married to Ma. De Jesus de la torre ledesma about 1739.
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Hi All, Im looking for the parents of Ignacio Martinez de Sotomayor
who married Petronila de Magana (bapt, 1 Nov 1698) on 30 Nov 1725
in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. I have a suspicion that Ignacio was son of
Isidro Martin de Sotomayor and Josepha Lopez de la Cerda.

Regards,
Daniel

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I thought Jospeha Lopez de la Cerda's parents were Nicolas Lopez de la Cerdaand Maria de Vielma, how does Rodriguez Ramirez fit in this?
Thanks, Daniel
Im looking for the Ignacio Martinez de Sotomayorwho married Petronilade Magana.

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> Juan jose ignacio martin de sotomayor, son of juan Ignacio Isidro martin Sotomayor and josefa ramirez rodriguez lopez de la cerda was married to josefa casillas Gomez on 22Jun1700. J.J.Ignacio and Josefa had a son named Juan Ignacio M de S married to Ma. De Jesus de la torre ledesma about 1739.
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I am positive as to her parents because of her death record
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:24:47
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Martinez or Martin de Sotomayor

I thought Jospeha Lopez de la Cerda's parents were Nicolas Lopez de la Cerdaand Maria de Vielma, how does Rodriguez Ramirez fit in this?
Thanks, Daniel
Im looking for the Ignacio Martinez de Sotomayorwho married Petronilade Magana.

To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

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>
> Juan jose ignacio martin de sotomayor, son of juan Ignacio Isidro martin Sotomayor and josefa ramirez rodriguez lopez de la cerda was married to josefa casillas Gomez on 22Jun1700. J.J.Ignacio

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I verified the burial record you indicated, and this individual cannot be the same Josefa Lopez de la Serda because of two main reasons:
1st, this Josefa is identified as Doncella (=virgin), 2. She was 42 years old when she died, thus she was born around 1735. Josefa, wife of Isidro Martin must have been born much earlier.

Here is the transcription of that record:

(Al Margen) Aguascalien[tes]
Maria Josefa Lopes de la Serda Esp[ano]la donsella
En la iglecia parroquia de la Villa de Aguas Calientes en catorse de Abril de mil setecientos y setenta y siete anos: Yo el Br. Dn. Jose Ignacio Delgadillo como Theniente del Don Dr. Vicente Antonio Flores Alatorre, di sepultura eclesiastica a Maria Josefa Lopez de la Serda Espanola Donsella de quarenta y dos anos de edad; orig[ina]ria de esta feligrecia en Puertos, y vecina de esta Villa, hija leg[iti]ma de Juan Manuel Lopez de la Serda y de Maria de Jesus Diaz defunta; se le administraron los Santos [Sa}cramentos de Penitencia

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I am not sure where de rodriguez ramirez fits in but I sometimes found one or the other attached to the de la cerda last name as if was part of it. Sometimes rodr sometimesb ramirez. Still searching for why.
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I thought Jospeha Lopez de la Cerda's parents were Nicolas Lopez de la Cerdaand Maria de Vielma, how does Rodriguez Ramirez fit in this?
Thanks, Daniel
Im looking for the Ignacio Martinez de Sotomayorwho married Petronilade Magana.

To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

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> Juan jose ignacio martin de sotomayor, son

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No, I do not. Sorry.
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Do you know the name of the parents of Joseph (Rodrigues Ramires) Lopez de la Serda?

Jaime

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I just went baCk and did find the info for you her father is juan manuel lopez de la cerda and her mother is maria de jesus diaz de sandi. It says she was born in Rayos
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Do you know the name of the parents of Joseph (Rodrigues Ramires) Lopez de la Serda?

Jaime

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She was also borm in 1735 in rayos aguas and buried 14apr1777 in aguas.
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I meant to say Josepha, not Joseph.

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I will check my info tomorrow. I may have mixed up to two records but one of the records specifally named her hjusband also as ignacio Martin de sotomayor. And the record was not the same one that you transcribed.
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I verified the burial record you indicated, and this individual cannot be the same Josefa Lopez de la Serda because of two main reasons:
1st, this Josefa is identified as Doncella (=virgin), 2. She was 42 years old when she died, thus she was born around 1735. Josefa, wife of Isidro Martin must have been born much earlier.

Here is the transcription of that record:

(Al Margen) Aguascalien[tes]
Maria Josefa Lopes de la Serda Esp[ano]la donsella
En la iglecia parroquia de la Villa de Aguas

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I will check my info tomorrow. I may have mixed up to two records but one of the records specifally named her hjusband also as ignacio Martin de sotomayor. And the record was not the same one that you transcribed.
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I verified the burial record you indicated, and this individual cannot be the same Josefa Lopez de la Serda because of two main reasons:
1st, this Josefa is identified as Doncella (=virgin), 2. She was 42 years old when she died, thus she was born around 1735. Josefa, wife of Isidro Martin must have

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The record I have states that maria josefa de la cerda married to jose ignaciO martinez de sotomayor is the daughter juan manuel de la cerda and ma. De jesus diaz de sandi and it shows a burial date of 6apr1778. Film number 299861.
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I verified the burial record you indicated, and this individual cannot be the same Josefa Lopez de la Serda because of two main reasons:
1st, this Josefa is identified as Doncella (=virgin), 2. She was 42 years old when she died, thus she was born around 1735. Josefa, wife of Isidro Martin must have been born much earlier.

Here is the transcription of that record:

(Al Margen) Aguascalien[tes]
Maria Josefa Lopes de la Serda Esp[ano]la donsella
En la iglecia parroquia de

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There is another sister of the same name and that was the other record.
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The record I have states that maria josefa de la cerda married to jose ignaciO martinez de sotomayor is the daughter juan manuel de la cerda and ma. De jesus diaz de sandi and it shows a burial date of 6apr1778. Film number 299861.
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I verified the burial record you indicated, and this individual cannot be the same Josefa Lopez de la Serda because of two main reasons:
1st, this Josefa is identified as Doncella (=virgin), 2. She was

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This Josefa cannot be either. This one died while giving birth on 1778. "No se le administraron los Santos Sacramentos porque murio de parto." The Josefa Lopez de la Serda married to Isidro Martin must have been born around 1660-70 roughly 110+ years earlier (their son Ignacio was born in 1691). I guess it is one more of those coincidences of couples with the same names marrying in different generations. In Nuevo Leon, I have several examples such as this that create much confusion among genealogists.

Jaime

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You are correct that it is not the same one you are lookng for. Juan Ignacio martin de sotomayor was in my records all along but I thought you looking for one in a different time period. The correct one, Juan Ignacio Isidro martin de sotomayo is a captain and is the son of Andres martin de sotomayor, paternal grandson of Andres Martin and Maria de Ruelas Sotomayor. He was born in Sierra de los Pinos aguascalientes I do not have Josefa's parents but this is the josefa that sometimes has rodriguez or ramirez attached to de la cerda. That I got right.
I should probably not respond to messages during the day since I do not have access to all my data until I get home in the evening
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This Josefa cannot be either. This

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Okay this makes sense, I actually never knew Josepha Lopez de la Cerda,used Ramirez or Rodriguez. I wonder who stated that she was daughterof Nicolas Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Vielma (Ruiz de Esparza)?
Since a marriage record has never been found for Isidro Martin de Sotomayorand Josepha Lopez de la Cerda, one could not be sure, Isidro's ancestry is correctit has been studied very well, but Josepha is a different story, I have almostnever read an article or essay on these Lopez de la Cerda.
As for Josepha's "parents" I have only found one child, Juan Lopez de la Cerdabaptized in Aguascalientes, 5 Apr 1654. I guess Josepha might have been "added"as a daughter because of the timeline and it does fit but one needs evidence.
Regards,Daniel
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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:50:12 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio

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If you find the source stating josefa is the daughter of nicolas and maria please let me know. Thanks
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:56:43
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Martinez or Martin de Sotomayor

Okay this makes sense, I actually never knew Josepha Lopez de la Cerda,used Ramirez or Rodriguez. I wonder who stated that she was daughterof Nicolas Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Vielma (Ruiz de Esparza)?
Since a marriage record has never been found for Isidro Martin de Sotomayorand Josepha Lopez de la Cerda, one could not be sure, Isidro's ancestry is correctit has been studied very well, but Josepha is a different story, I have almostnever read an article or essay on these Lopez de la Cerda.
As for Josepha's "parents" I have only found one child, Juan Lopez de la Cerdabaptized in Aguascalientes, 5 Apr 1654. I guess Josepha might have been "added"as a daughter

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Ramirez was a named attached to a lopez family so they may be related.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:56:43
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Martinez or Martin de Sotomayor

Okay this makes sense, I actually never knew Josepha Lopez de la Cerda,used Ramirez or Rodriguez. I wonder who stated that she was daughterof Nicolas Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Vielma (Ruiz de Esparza)?
Since a marriage record has never been found for Isidro Martin de Sotomayorand Josepha Lopez de la Cerda, one could not be sure, Isidro's ancestry is correctit has been studied very well, but Josepha is a different story, I have almostnever read an article or essay on these Lopez de la Cerda.
As for Josepha's "parents" I have only found one child, Juan Lopez de la Cerdabaptized in Aguascalientes, 5 Apr 1654. I guess Josepha might have been "added"as a daughter because of the timeline and it

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Seguiremos buscando. Ahora me he puesto a revisar todos los entierros en Aguas desde 1690 hasta 1780 para ver si encuentro algo que nos de informacion. Sin embargo, es posible que estos datos se encuentren en Ojuelos (Cienega de Matas), donde muchos de los matrimonios de los hijos tuvieron lugar. Lo que complica la busqueda es que Ojueslos paso a ser asociado con Pinos, Zacatecas, y luego con Jalisco.

Jaime

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The juan jose ignacio sotomayor son of j. J. Ignacio Isidro martin de S and josefa was married to josefa casillas gomez 22Jun1700 in tepa
I believe that the man you are looking for is more likely a grandson of Ignacio and josefa.
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Sent: Mar 21, 2010 11:06 PM

Hi All, Im looking for the parents of Ignacio Martinez de Sotomayor
who married Petronila de Magana (bapt, 1 Nov 1698) on 30 Nov 1725
in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. I have a suspicion that Ignacio was son of
Isidro Martin de Sotomayor and Josepha Lopez de la Cerda.

Regards,
Daniel

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Has anyone by chance have the marriage record of Ignacio and Petronilade Magana married in Jalos 30 Nov 1725.
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 05:01:53 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Martinez or Martin de Sotomayor
>
> The juan jose ignacio sotomayor son of j. J. Ignacio Isidro martin de S and josefa was married to josefa casillas gomez 22Jun1700 in tepa
> I believe that the man you are looking for is more likely a grandson of Ignacio and josefa.
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>
> Hi All, Im looking for the parents of Ignacio Martinez

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Daniel this has nothing to do with the message on this e-mail.  I was looking at ancestry.com and saw that you had my grandparents and my great grandparents listed.  They are Francisco Reynoso and Maria del Refugio Pulido.  If I picked things up correctly you are related to them.  How?  I did write a little about them on ancestry.com.  Get back to me if you can.

Irene (kelly) 

________________________________
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
To: Patty Hoyos
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 10:24:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Martinez or Martin de Sotomayor

Has anyone by chance have the marriage record of Ignacio and Petronilade Magana married in Jalos 30 Nov 1725.
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 05:01:53 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Martinez or Martin de Sotomayor
>
> The juan jose

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Well, distantly Im related because just having blood from Los Altos, but right now Im do several projectswhere Im getting and researching desceandants of "X" family and working from 1500s to the late 1800s.I just happened to run into your family using the IGI and familysearch.
Regards,Daniel

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Thanks Robert, please do share!!! He is my ancestor.
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: robertzermeno@msn.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:39:28 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Martinez or Martin de Sotomayor
>
> Daniel,
>
> I've just ordered this marriage record from the Mormon Church. It should arrive in 2-3 weeks. I'll make a note to myself to share what I find with you.
>
> Robert Zermeno

Research Methods

Hello everyone!

I am new to this forum and would like to get some great tips on the best researching methods.
So far, I have been using "familysearch.org/mexico-genealogy" to get information.

Antonio Romo and Juana Olivo

I am a descendant of Antonio Romo and Juana Olivo who married abt 1870 in San Luis Potosi. I have heard an old family rumor that they ran away together to marry.

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The only thing I can mention is that you can have a direct male descendant of Claudio Olivo Romo perform a Y-DNA test with FamilyTreeDNA to see if he is a direct male descendant of Diego Romo de Vivar of Rielves, Toledo, Spain.

Armando

Nicolas de Anda Sanchez, Teocaltiche

I contacted George Farias of Borderland Bookstore, asking when he might obtain more copies of Nicolas de Anda Sanchez's books on Teocaltiche.

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Rose,
Yes, I am interested in a copies for myself. I also wouldn't mind helping George Farias out, since I've find his Borderlands Book Store a good resource and am glad to hear he is going to continue in operation. I would appreciate any info you are comfortable sharing. Thanks.
Raquel Ruiz

looking for book-- Historia de Totatiche

Gustavo,

Have you found the book yet? If not, let me know.

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Beverly,
Thank you very much for your offer, I really appreciate it. While I
still haven't found the book, I wanted to try and contact Borderlands
book store but I haven't had any time to do so. I will definately
keep this in mind and let you know.

Thank you
Gustavo

where can i find marriage records for citizens of the town of tepetongo prior to 1816

i noticed that fmarriage records for people in this town prior to 1816 can't not be found in the tepetongo section of the familysearch website which cen be found in the following link

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I looked in the catalog for the FHL library, and there are no films for marriages prior to 1816; the matrimonial investigations start somewhat later.

Baptisms exist from the mid-1700s.

The 1816 volume of marriages is inscribed "Libro 1" which suggests marriages were not recorded locally, or were not recorded separately from other records. Have you checked in the volumes for baptisms?

Otherwise, these marriages may be recorded in a nearby community.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Sanchez-Castellanos

Tepetongo was in part of "Feligresia" of Jerez.

Libro Funadores de Nueva Galicia Tomo I by Garamedia

Gentlemen,

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My question was in regards to why Tomasina used the alternate surname. I know many families used alternate surnames, but I am interested to know if you have any specific information regarding Tomasina. I may be asking too much, but this specific area of research may help answer some questions that may unlock my research block, right now. My 9x great-grandfather's first wife was Ana Lamas O Saucedo. He later married Josefa Tello de Orozco, but had to get permission from Guadalajara because they were 3rd cousins.

Thanks

En respuesta a por October Fly (no verificado)

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Sanchez-Castellanos

When she got married on 1634 with Juan Sanchez (Sanchez-Castellanos) she used Tomasina de Saucedo, when they baptized for example his son Manuel she used Tomasina de Saucedo, but with others sons and the census of 1650 in Tlaltenango she used Tomasina de Haro.

En respuesta a por October Fly (no verificado)

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AKA = also known as
Is this where you want clarification?
--Esther

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:19 PM, wrote:

> Porque es "AKA Tomasina de Saucedo"?

SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco

Joseph,

I know his father is from Jalisco, therefore it's not such a stretch to think that he's from the Romo de Vivar family.

I have no objection to extending an invitation, I welcome it, we'd

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Joseph

Sergio has a facebook page....I'd be interested also to see if he is related to us.
I would like to know where to find the shirt he wore at the parade....
Go Giants!

Rose

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Wonder if there may be a connection to Roderigo Diaz de Bivar/Vivar, known as "El Cid," dating back to the late 1000s...

Now that would be an interesting genealogy to trace !

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA USA
p.s. I'm also a Giant's fan across the Bay from S.F. :-).

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:38:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco

I'm a SF Giants fan and was wondering if Los Altos is the Epicenter of the
Romo de Vivar name. Is it very likely that historically Sergio Romo's
ancestors might come from Los Altos? Does anyone know if his genealogy has
been done? Would anyone object if I offered him an honorary membership in
the Nuestros Ranchos group? Hey maybe I could score an autographed ball or
something.

OR is the Romo de Vivar name just as strong in other areas of Mexico? Am I
stretching to think that Sergio could easily be a cousin to many members of
the group

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Hi Pat,
If you are related to any of these prominant families from the Altos you are related directly to Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, El Cid:
Toribio Hernández de Arellano (married to Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza)orMaría Hurtado de Mendoza (married to Rodrigo Cristobal Olivares)orFrancisca Hurtado y de Olivares (Capitán Francisco Gutierrez de Mendoza Rubio, el Mozo)
Sofia

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Hi Sofia,

Thank you so much for your posting.

My connection to Rodrigo Diaz Bivar/Vivar "ElCid" is from researching my Portuguese ancestry.

To date "El Cid," is my 27th Great Grandfather...though various researchers/sources differ as to the actual genealogy of "El Cid." It continues to be a "work in progress."

I will check out the family names that you noted in your posting and see if I can link my husband's Hispanic lines to "El Cid."

Once again thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA USA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martínez Muñoz"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 10:35:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco

Hi Pat,
If you are related to any of these prominant families from the Altos you are related directly to Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, El Cid:
Toribio Hernández de Arellano (married to Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza)orMaría Hurtado de Mendoza (married to Rodrigo Cristobal Olivares)orFrancisca Hurtado y de

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Sofia,

Toribio Hernandez de Arrellano is my 12ggfa by way of his dtr, Maria
Hurtado de Mendoza, and my 14ggfa, by way of his dtr, Anna Sanchez de
Mendoza. I have not gotten beyond Toribio and Isabela in my research. I
would very much appreciate any assistance you can give me.
Raquel Ruiz

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

> Hi Sofia,
>
> Thank you so much for your posting.
>
> My connection to Rodrigo Diaz Bivar/Vivar "ElCid" is from researching my
> Portuguese ancestry.
>
> To date "El Cid," is my 27th Great Grandfather...though various
> researchers/sources differ as to the actual genealogy of "El Cid." It
> continues to be a "work in progress."
>
> I will check out the family names that you noted in your posting and see
> if I can link my husband's Hispanic lines to "El Cid."
>
> Once again thank you,
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martínez Muñoz"
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, November 4

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Hi Raquel,
The research I have is from a couple of years ago and recently I have started again trying to sort out all my paper work.So I can not remember exactly how I got the info, but even a fellow researcher came to the same conclusion.That the parents of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano are Juan Hernandez de Hijar, Conde de Belchite and Isabel Ramirez de Arellano.

Sofia

> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:16:58 -0500
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco -"El Cid"
>
> Sofia,
>
> Toribio Hernandez de Arrellano is my 12ggfa by way of his dtr, Maria
> Hurtado de Mendoza, and my 14ggfa, by way of his dtr, Anna Sanchez de
> Mendoza. I have not gotten beyond Toribio and Isabela in my research. I
> would very much appreciate any assistance you can give me.
> Raquel Ruiz
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:
>
> > Hi Sofia,
> >
> > Thank you so much for your posting.
> >
> > My

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Thanks. I look into it.
Raquel

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Martínez Muñoz wrote:

>
> Hi Raquel,
> The research I have is from a couple of years ago and recently I have
> started again trying to sort out all my paper work.So I can not remember
> exactly how I got the info, but even a fellow researcher came to the same
> conclusion.That the parents of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano are Juan
> Hernandez de Hijar, Conde de Belchite and Isabel Ramirez de Arellano.
>
> Sofia
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:16:58 -0500
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco -"El Cid"
> >
> > Sofia,
> >
> > Toribio Hernandez de Arrellano is my 12ggfa by way of his dtr, Maria
> > Hurtado de Mendoza, and my 14ggfa, by way of his dtr, Anna Sanchez de
> > Mendoza. I have not gotten beyond Toribio and Isabela in my research. I
> > would very much appreciate any assistance you can give me.
> > Raquel Ruiz

Comentario

There is a link between them but my research shows a question mark as to whether toribio was a son or grandson. If he was a son he was a much younger sibling than his other siblings and would not inherit titles and his share of any inheritance would have been small if any. For Younger siblings it is wharder to find first hand documentation but we need to keep on looking for primary sources to confirm his place in the family.
RA Ricci

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On Nov 4, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

> Thanks. I look into it.
> Raquel
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Martínez Muñoz wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Raquel,
>> The research I have is from a couple of years ago and recently I have
>> started again trying to sort out all my paper work.So I can not remember
>> exactly how I got the info, but even a fellow researcher came to the same
>> conclusion.That the parents of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano are Juan
>> Hernandez de Hijar, Conde de Belchite and Isabel Ramirez de Arellano.
>

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Sofía and Raquel,

To my knowledge I was the first researcher to
present this hypothesis almost 3 years ago. This idea came to me as I
was studying the "royal genealogies" of the Ramírez de Arellano and
Hurtado de Mendoza family, almost if not all of us in the group are
linked to them in someway or another. The fact that Juan Hernández de
Híjar, conde de Belchite and Isabel Ramírez de Arellano married would
prove a likely connection. It would not be surprising if Toribio
compounded his parents surnames. In older records the H and F are
interchangeable, thus Hernández could easily become Fernández and
vice-versa. To produce Hernández de Arellano. One thing is certain,
Toribio and Isabel belonged to ancient houses of Spain, Arellano and
Mendonza. Based on my research there are only a handful of people that
had the name Hernández de Arellano during the XVI century, probably
descendants of the previous named couple. More researched would have to
be done with documentation

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Hi Daniel,

You and I discussed this a few years ago. And I also came up with the same conclusion as you did.
As you said there is only a handful of people that had the apellido Hernández de Arellano during the XVI century.Everything seems to point in that direction. Hopefully we will find the paper evidence we need.

Sofia

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Joseph and Alicia,

I tried contacting him a few weeks ago via twitter asking him if his parents
were from Jalisco, but I haven't received an answer yet. The regions where
the most Romo de Vivar live are Aguascalientes and Los Altos, maybe his
parents are from around here. I'll also be glad to help out putting together
his ancestor tree, that's if he's interested.

Rick

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:47 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco

Joseph,

I know his father is from Jalisco, therefore it's not such a stretch to
think that he's from the Romo de Vivar family.

I have no objection to extending an invitation, I welcome it, we'd all love
to help him with his genealogy.

I think he has a lot of personality. Growing up in Brawley Calif where his
dad played

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Luis Bojorquez sent me a private email with this link that seems to point in
the direction of Aguascalientes:

http://www.beisbolicos.com/862572BB000A73CA/Gral/9160E98CEF3DEE9086257A…
7920B

joseph

=========================

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Rodriguez de Frias
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:16 PM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; 'Alicia Carrillo'
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco
>
> Joseph and Alicia,
>
> I tried contacting him a few weeks ago via twitter asking him if his
parents were from
> Jalisco, but I haven't received an answer yet. The regions where the most
Romo de Vivar
> live are Aguascalientes and Los Altos, maybe his parents are from around
here. I'll also be
> glad to help out putting together his ancestor tree, that's if he's
interested

Las Haciendas del condado de San Mateo Valparaiso

Hello,
 
The Haciendas of the condado de San Mateo Valparaíso were sold to the families
that had previously managed  the Haciendas for the Condes de San MateoValparaíso
(Las Haciendas Perten

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Hi Christopher.
My family is the Esteinou family who bought the Hacienda San Antonio de Sauceda. Have you been able to find any books or additional documentation that speaks of the history of the Haciendas?
Thank you.
Margie Esteinou Walsh

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I suggest buying the book by Jean A. Meyer, The Cristero Rebellion, see http://www.amazon.com/Cristero-Rebellion-1926-1929-Cambridge-American/d… or http://tinyurl.com/2wue4mu. In the chapter regarding "The Cristeros Army," a man born in Valparaiso, General Justo Avila, is discussed as one of its leaders. In addition, Colonel Emilio Barrios is also mentioned on the following page 124, specifically naming him as one of the leaders.

Ed

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Christopher,

With respect to your question about the hacendado families of the Revolution and Cristeros era, I add the material below which is no longer available on the Internet where I first found it. It references a Felguerez family member, Manuel Felguerez. The Felguerez Art Museum is located in Zacatecas, Zactecas, see http://www.travelbymexico.com/zacatecas/atractivos/index2.php?nom=kzacf…

"Manuel Felguérez was born in the Hacienda de San Agustín del Vergel in Valparaíso, Zacatecas. Times were difficult in 1928; the armed revolution had ended a few years earlier but land ownership was uncertain and agrarian claims spread throughout the country.
“My father had men to defend the hacienda, since the peasants tried to obtain land by violent means. One of my first memories is of a gunfight between the forces loyal to the hacienda and the agrarian supporters.”
His family emigrated to the capital for safety and his father tried to sell the Agrarian Debt bonds but died the

Francisco De Espitia?

Hey every one,
I was wondering if somehow Francisco De Espitia husband of Francisca De Quiroga could some how be related to Hernando De Torres Espitia?

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I descend from Hernando de Torres Espitia. No one has been able to find a document that links Hernando de Torres Espitia with Francisco de Espitia husband of Francisca de Quiroga. Bill Figueroa stated that Hernando de Torres Espitia was originally from Mexico City and he was unable to find a link between them. See the thread at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20373

Armando

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Armando,
I see can you give me any strategy or idea on how to try to connect Francisco de Espitia with Hernando?Is this Francisca De Quiroga the same one that married Pedro De Macias Valadez?
I'm having such a hard time finding my ancestor Sebastian Munoz husband of sostenes aguirre they were from la Jabonera Nochistlan his name is on the census aswell as his family it said he was born around 1875 so i went over the civil records baptism from 1875 to 1876 page by page and sadly nothing i have no clue what to do now i also did the same with his wife and nothing.
My grandmother recently came from her trip to Nochistlan and brought this book called Nochistlan, Zacatecas Su Paroquia Los Duran Otras Familias Antiguas.Iv'e got to say this book is really amazing.I hope someone can just help me find some info on Sebastian or Sostenes so i can start another great genealogy adventure.
Abram

Registros de Los Altos

I am posting a link to a registry of images, by dates, for the towns in Los Altos. It is created by Armando Antuñano and is being posted with his permission.

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