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Yes, I have found the same discrepancies on my Alviso line. Mestiza, Mestizo and then Espanol with siblings of the same mother and father. Als,o mestiza or mestizo at birth and then Espanol for the marriage. I think the race description were quite subjective (or influenced my donations possibly), so they should not be entirely trusted. I think we have spoken on this subject previously.

Maureen Bejar

Jaime,

I have a suggestion- in case no one has the film. Mail in a completed form which available on the familysearch.org website. For $2.00 per record I have received paper copies of microfilm entries within two weeks of mailing. Go to the website, look to the right in "Start Your Family History". Next find the link "Forms" and click on it. On the next screen scroll down to "Request for Photocopies", Item #31831. You have your choice: type info online, or print a hard copy, complete and mail it. I think it's a great solution to waiting for several films to be mailed.

David, Albany CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jaime Alvarado
>Sent: Jul 18, 2008 10:51 AM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Santoyo-Diaz (de Leon?) Ojuelos-Cienega de Mata
>
>
>My great-grandfather's grandfather Jose Lorenso Santoyo (born abt. 1775) was son of Joseph (Manuel?) Santoyo and Maria Josefa Diaz (de Leon?). I have not been able to find Jose Lorenso's

I can relate to this very well. My family also owned several haciendas, ranchos and ejidos in Aguas and Zacatecas and Jalisco, several of them were hacendados and the goverment and the notably the Zaptistas arrived on May 1913 in my mother's family hacienda and burned everything, they put them under house arrest for over a month according to my grandfathers grandmother who lived through this event she died in 1979 at the age of 100. It was said the Zapatas were burning all the wealthy spanish landowners lands until they reach the capital of Zacatecas. My 3rd gf who was the hacendado and his son i descend from him three times (intermarried alot) he and his son Celso died protecting the hacienda once they were able to rebel against Zapata. That is the reason why my family emmigrated to the USA. They went from "an upper class spanish family" and for the first experianced what is it like to work. According to my grandfather they learned alot from that experiance, be happy gratefu
l for

Hello Edgar,

I am researching the area of Colotlan and Totatiche in Jalisco. I have De La O family and I descend from Manuel Santos Carrion married to Manuela De La O on 25 FEB 1699 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Manuela De La O was the daughter of Miguel De La O and Maria Perez. Miguel De La O is the son of Pedro Covarrubias and Gertrudis De La O. Gertrudis De La O was the Owner of Hacienda San Antonio de la O in Cartagenas, Totatiche, Jalisco in about 1650 according to Arturo Ramos (he has more information than I do on this family).

I couldn't find any of the De La O family you mentioned connecting to mine, but I did find other connections.

Here is the ancestors of Cipriano De La O Gaeta:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/PRF/pedigree_view.asp?recid=1330…

Here is the ancestors of my great-great-grandfather Donaciano Miramontes Cardenas:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/prf/pedigree_view.asp?recid=1330…

Comparing the two

Hi Ronnie (primo),
Wow, I've seen you around while doing my reserach and I respect your knowledge, as I'm sure you've been at it much longer than I have.

Thanks for the information on the two brothers, Francisco and Diego. I sure would like to know how you made the connections. I've only gone as far as the mid-eighteenth century; somehow the trail ends with Silverio Reynoso in Moyahua b.@1764.

I found a Miguel Reynoso Renteria, who came to Jalisco from Spain in 1720, and wodered if he might be Silverio's father...
I am interested in learning more about where I can find the links between Silberio and Diego Reynoso (the Diego from 1680 you mention).

Also - a recurring theme abounds and maybe you can enlighten me on it: What is the deal with the Reynoso-Renteria switch? I have heard about a Reynoso changing his name, also I know many Reynosos married Renterias, but the more I seek, the more of those I find. One distant relative is born a Renyono, but some records show him as

It is also possible that the Saavedra are the same family from Los Altos! All families tended to travel far! -Daniel
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Raquel, where in Zacatecas is your de la O family from?
 
Linda in B.C.

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Norman Livingston wrote:

From: Norman Livingston
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Raquel de la O de Livingston
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 7:44 AM

Hi Daniel and everyone,

Taking a moment to reply to Daniel concerning my maiden last name, de la O.
This is my father's paternal last name and I have located an aunt who is
doing research on the de la O Ortiz branch of the family. I'm extremely
busy right now. My seven siblings and I are getting together in El Paso, Texas
on August 1st to celebrate our Mom's 80th birthday. I was appointed the job
of writing Mom's story and my husband is putting together a genealogical
tree. We also collected as many pictures as possible to share with the family.
As you can imagine this has become quite an undertaking. This project has
taken over our lives for the past few months. Hopefully when we return from
Texas

Sofia,
Thank you for sharing such valuable information. I have made a hard
copy so I can compare to those on my Tree.

Eloise Gomez Reyes

-----Original Message-----
From: Sofia
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 9:03 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Informacion

Hello Everyone, 
 
I just found this info and I thought I would put it in case it helps
anyone: 
 
Hola A Todos, 
 
Acabo de encontrar esta informacion que pense que podia ayudar a algien
en su buscada: 
 
Sofia 
 
 
Partidas de Bautismos y Defunciones de Españoles del Primer Libro de
Xalostotitlan y Matrimonios y Defunciones de Tepatitlan, Jalisco Siglo
XVII 
Paleografiado por Gullermo Padilla Origel 
guillermopadillao@prodigy.net.mx 
Leon, GTO, Julio de 2 
BAUTISMOS de XALOSTOTITLAN 
  29 de Diciembre de 1698 
Bernardo, esp. h.l. de Domingo Cornrejo y G. de Hermosillo, fueron sus
padrinos, Don Cristóbal de Padilla y Doña Josefa de Valdes. 
10 de Enero de 1699 
Josepha, esp., h.l. de

Hi Sofia:

Thank you for the information. I found a number of people that I have in my
database.

John Gonzalez

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sofia"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 09:03
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Informacion

>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just found this info and I thought I would put it in case it helps
> anyone:

Maria de Gabay:

In the book: "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva
Galicia, Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco" by Nicolas de Anda Sanchez. there is
a listing of parents who confirmed their children in 1634 and the names of
the children.
I found: Jose de La Cruz y Maria Gabay o Navarro and their children
confirmed were: Tomasa, Josepha and Martin.

I tried to find more information about this couple, hoping to find who their
parents and grandparents were, in FamilySearch.org.but the only thing I
found was the date of christening for Jose de La Cruz, 14 Mar, 1689.
Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco. His parents were:
Francisco Tomas and Maria de La Cruz.

I hope somebody else will have better luck researching this couple. If we
can find either Maria's or Francisca's birth certificate we will have found
Petronila's de Moctezuma's parents.

PD: Jaime eres bilingue?

John Gonzalez.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mcortez"
To:
Sent

Jaime,

Me alegro que te haya servido la información. Una aclaración con respecto
al apellido Gabai. Lo he visto escrito Gabai, Gabadi, Gavai, Gavaii, Gabay
y posiblemente de alguna otra forma. Yo he optado por Gabai ya que así es
como lo he encontrado escrito en la mayoría de registros. Sin embargo, en
ese tiempo no existían las reglas gramaticales como existen hoy día, por lo
que cada uno lo escribía como mejor le parecía.

Saludos,
Bill

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Las dos Marias Gabay: misterio resuelto

Bill,

Muchas gracias por la informacion para aclarar la relacion entre las dos
Marias (De Gabay y Gabai).
Thanks for the informacion to clarify the relationship between the two
Marias (De Gabay and
Gabai). Excelent research work.

Jaime

I hope I haven't added to the confusion. I've been using my Outlook Express
e-mail account, it appears to be faster. My posting messages appear as from
"papagaia2." My Yahoo e-mail account has Patricia Corbera. I try and sign
my messages using Pat or Pat Silva Corbera.
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] List Etiquette

Joseph and everybody:

If you ever want to know who made a posting, simply click on their username or "handle" at the bottom of their posting from the website when you are logged in. That will take you to their profile where you can see their real name as well as their areas and surnames of research. You can also use the contact form to send them a personal email message.

Hola Marisela,

The Information you have written concerning someone buying a name is amazing. Merits some further research.

One of my ancestors is Severa Ybarra Rueda, who married Juan Jose Sosa Medina in 1830 or 1835. Although her husband was born in Durango, Mexico, I have not been able to find where she was born. During the great "cotton bonanza" of the Comarca Lagunera from approximately 1830 to 1940 several hundred families traveled from Zacatecas, Jalisco, S.L.Potosi, and Puebla as migrant workers. The Comarca Lagunera is Coahuila and Durango. My mother (80 years young) has told me that many of her uncles came from Zacatecas during this time and stayed in the Comarca Lagunera. I have traced her family to Zacatecas to the mid-1700's.

Try the last name Ybarra in Family Search. I'll keep an eye out for your Ibarra or Ybarra info as I do further research.

Raquel delao de Livington

hmtsam@aol.com wrote:
Hello everyone!!!

My grandfather's name is