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Luevana family of Aguascalientes, AGS

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I have discovered that I am a descendant of Lorenzo de Luevana (died abt. 28 Jul 1741 in Aguascalientes) and his wife, Catharina Marin de Tiscareño (died about 25 Jul 1737). I have Lorenzo's parents' names from his burial record, but the parents of Catharina were not mentioned in hers. I looked at some trees at Family Search and Ancestry to try and get a sense of additional ancestors for this couple, and while some names are mentioned, I don't see any specific proof to add connections. For example,  the marriage record for Lorenzo's parents, Andres de Luevana and Cristina de Salazar, does not include parents, but people have identified some; however, there is no noted record to confirm the connection. 

 

Does anyone have any more on Lorenzo and Catharina (I'd like an identification and proof of her parents) or on Lorenzo's ancestry? 

Thank you!

Rosalinda

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RootsTech 2023 Conference

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If you want to learn more about genealogy in general, the RootsTech conferences can be helpful. The good thing is that these conferences can be "In Person" (costs involved), or "Virtual" (free). This conference runs from March 2nd through March 4th, starting at 8am (Mountain Time) each day.

The link, if interested is:

https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/event/rt2023

 

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Cristobal Martínez Lozano

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Dear Members,

Recently I have been revisiting some lines that I had worked on a few years ago, trying to tie down some loose ends.

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Hola Sergio,

From the text that you’ve cited, ”Este caballero promovió la información genealógica a que con anterioridad se hace referencia y que se levantó en la Villa de León,” I think this would imply that Cristobal Martinez Lozano filed the paperwork regarding his lineage in the Villa de Leon, Guanajuato, one), because by 1628, Leon, Spain, was already considered a “ciudad,” as opposed to a “villa,” and two), because of Gonzalez-Leal’s comment, “cosa hasta cierto punto extraña porque en ella no tuvo intereses patrimoniales ni familiares”: he’s wondering why the paperwork was filed there, since the Lozano’s had no titular nor family interests in Leon, Gto (my guess is because, at that particular moment in time, the nearest available royal scribe or public notary might have been in Leon, Gto). But I thought that it was his father, Capitan Juan Lozano, who filed that paperwork? As a source for the Lozano lineage in Nueva Galicia (page 6 of “Letters”), Holcombe cited a “prueba de

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New Nuestros Ranchos Website - available for viewing/testing

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The Tech-Group has finished performing preliminary testing with the new Nuestros Ranchos website.

The new site is located at:
nuestrosranchos.org

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Hi,
Thank you so much for the new site. My question is as follows: Where is the best place to send our observations about the new site, if we have any, during the testing period?

Saludos

susana L

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Great news and will check out.

Thank you all for all your hard work.

George Esqueda

Teocaltiche Deaths 1641-1819 Unfilmed

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For those of you researching Teocaltiche, Jalisco, the attached files will be of interest. These are two sets of extractions of very early death records which I believe have never been microfilmed.

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Alex, I remember that document. Presently my records are in storage disarray and only about 75% accessible. No luck locating it right now, but will continue looking and will let you know when I find it.

Mary Lou

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In 1997 when I was allowed access to the early burial records of Teocaltiche, I had with me a copy of the extractions provided by Dr. Helguera. Comparing the original documents with the extractions, I noted in pencil any corrections or omissions. I just came across these annotated pages and uploaded them to my Dropbox. Likewise, I am making these available in the Reference section of Nuestros Ranchos.

Mary Lou Montagna

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Mary Lou, thank you so much for sharing this info! I was curious about the record in the Jaime Holcombe letters.

There is "3. “Prueba de nobleza y limpieza de sangre” made by Cristóbal José Gómez Cornejo, 10 June 1758 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco." and a statement "In the mid 1990s Jose Medina (Porterville, California) was able to break through his Ramírez Cornejo family line using, among other sources, the information provided in the 1758 limpieza de sangre document."

Have you ever seen this document?

Alex

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Working my way through the first set of notes that have provided new information, confirmed information from other records and raised new questions. Thank you for sharing this valuable information!

Saludos,
Austin Pérez

"Rangel" surname of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico????

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I have seen someone from Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico with the surname "Rangel."

Does that go far back to the colonial days of Mezquitic and is that spanish?

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I would assume that the majority of the Rangel's descend from the conquistador Alonso Rangel de Loaiza who came from Spain in the early part of the 16th century.

Danny

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I descend from Jose Romo de Vivar who founded the town of Bacanuche in Sonora, Mexico. Recently I found a researcher who suggested that Alonso married Luisa (Lucia) Velasquez (Fernandez) de Salazar, and they had a son, Juan Rangel Peguero who married Maria Rosales. Do you have this information or the sources of the above. If so, I would appreciate that help and information. Thank you in advance.

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I know my mom had cousins with that last name, she used to mention her cousin Salvador Rangel, but I don’t know how far back that name goes. I haven’t been able to make a connection. My mom was Pacheco Sanchez from Mezquitic.

Aspirantes a órdenes del Br. Joseph Miguel Flores de la Torre y Vallarta

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Hola Sergio, aquí está la información que solicitabas. Contiene una copia de su acta bautismal.

Expediente para vertirse los hábitos clericales de José Miguel Flores de la Torre y Vallarta

Fuente: "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XQXV-C?cc=1874591&wc=3J4H-… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios 1733-1740 > images 222-242 of 262; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

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Mucho muy interesante Daniel, la verdad es que hay muchos datos de interés para los que descendemos de los Flores de la Torre. Yo aun me falta por descubrir a los ascendientes de María Flores de la Torre y su cónyuge Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo.

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El 02/01/2012, a las 10:21 p.m., mendezdetorres@hotmail.com escribió:

> Estimados compañeros:
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> En una documento de aspirantes a órdenes del Br. Joseph Miguel Flores de la Torre. Fechado 9 de febrero de 1758 en Xalostitlán, con 21 foxas se encuentra información adicional muy valiosa de la familia Flores de la Torre en la Nueva Galicia. Este documento establece aun más los vínculos que se encuentra en esa familia. Menciona algunos miembros de esta casa que ni tenía en mis archivos.
> En el documento menciona que el Br. Joseph Miguel Flores de la Torre era bautizado en la parroquia de Nuestra Señora de la Asunción de Xalostitlán el 5 de octubre de 1735 con el nombre Joseph Miguel María Flores de la Torre y Vallarta

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Hola Daniel, Could you share the link to where you found this document? If not at Familysearch, where can interested members view the record??

Thanks again for your hard work and dedication at NR!

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

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Hi everyone,
To view the priesthood document, it is under
1731-1735 FHL Source Film 167999 - Mexico GenealogySource film: 167999222 miguel flores de la torre y vallarta - priesthood / jalostotitlan

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Daniel Mendez Camino

Juana Navarro de Gabay y Arias de Sotelo y Valderrama-Moctezuma Y Petronila Arias Sotelo y Valderrama de Moctezuma

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Hola. ¿Saben de la existencia de algún documento que compruebe que Juana era hija de Petronila?

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Hace unos días estuve en la presentación de un libro sobre Ecatepec. Presentado por la antropóloga María de la Asunción Gracía Samper, con el apoyo del INBA y del centro de estudios Mesoamericanos. Ella asegura la existencia de Petronila y de Juana. Y habla de la primera en su libro San Cristobal Ecatepec. Ahí mismo conocí a otro descendiente de Petronila que compartió conmigo la dispensa matrimonial. Intentaré subir el documento a esta página.
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Dear Members,

I am trying to tie up some loose ends. I am arriving late to the whole Juana Navarro conversation. I do not have anything new to contribute. But I am looking forward to hearing if Amelie received the dispensa we have all been waiting for. As always, I agree that we need primary sources.

The purpose of my post is to try to firm some things up with primary sources, and ask some questions where I do not know how we have arrived at some conclusions. From Armando Antuaño’s transcription, it is proven, by the dispensa listed below, that María Gabai and Francisca Gabai were full sisters, daughters of Martín Navarro and Petronila de Montezuma.

Dispensa Matrimonial de Bartolomé Rodríguez Bajo y Tomasa de la Rosa Ulloa

From this same dispensa, it is shown that María Ruiz de Esparza was the daughter of Francisca Gabai. Searching on Nuestros Ranchos, it appears that people believe Lope Ruiz de Esparza was the father. Question #1, can someone please show me a primary

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Hola Sergio,

First, the surname “Gabai” was written by some scribes as “Gabbadi.” The surname “Vaulus” was all over the place, too, sometimes written “Valdus.”

1. That Maria Ruiz de Esparza was the daughter of Lope Ruiz: on 25 Dec 1621 baptized was “Maria, hija de Pedro Tarasco y de Isabel su muger Tarasca, fue su madrina Ma Ruiz de Esparca hija de Lope Ruiz de Esparca su padre.”

She is also established as the daughter of Francisca Gabai in the dispensa of Joseph de Torres and Elvira de Ulloa, which names Francisca Gabai as the sister of Cristobal Navarro.

2. As per her testamento, dated 14 Jun 1677 in Aguascalientes, Juana de Siordia was the daughter of Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus and Maria de Gabai. This document can supposedly downloaded at the Aguascalientes Acervo Colonial Digital del Archivo Historico, but you have to have MS Internet Explorer to open any document.

3. Lope Ruiz de Esparza, who was married to Francisca Gabai, was the son of another Lope Ruiz de Esparza cc

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As Ophelia Marquez and I prepared to share our Jaime Holcombe letters, we would occasionally add our comments as a footnote. Sometimes additional information was newly available, or perhaps we didn't agree with him or perhaps we just wanted to expand. So we tacked on our comments at the end of the letter, always in a different type font.

The comment regarding the 1651 death of Juana Navarro, wife of Benito de Islas, was taken from extractions of unmicrofilmed Teocaltiche records provided to me by Dr. J. Leon Helguera (who had received them from a very reliable researcher). To my knowledge, Jaime never saw those extractions. I introduced this particular extraction as raw data, without further comments, because I did not have (and still do not have) anything more to identify this couple.

Per Dr. Helguera, the extractions (1641-1733) he generously provided were incomplete. There were more very early death records in Teocaltiche! Unfilmed! So on August 1997 I went to the Notaria

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Hi Mary Lou,

Thank you so much for providing us with this information. Your dropbox has helped me so much in my research. I really appreciate all that you have done for us.

Danny

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Mary Lou I am interested in these files what is the name of the file in the reference materials? Thank you so much!

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Hola Amelie,

Bienvenido al grupo.

He solicitado la misma documentación en otros foros, pero todavía nadie me ha respondido. Lo que me lleva a creer que no existe ninguna documentación que compruebe que 1) Martín Navarro y Petronila de Moctezuma tuvieron una hija de nombre Juana Navarro que estaba casada con Benito de Isla, y 2) que Juana Navarro fue la madre de Magdalena de Lavezares y María de Isla y Moctezuma, y ​​3) que Juana Navarro y Benito de Isla fueron los padres de María de Isla, esposa de Cristóbal Martínez Lozano.
Por lo tanto, es mi opinión, que estas relaciones son teorías que aún no se han probado. Pero a medida que suceden las cosas con Internet, se han convertido en mitos urbanos sin ninguna base real.
Espero que alguien pueda demostrar que estoy equivocado. I dare you!

Por lo demás, hasta el momento sólo existe un documento que nombra a Martín Navarro y Petronila de Moctezuma, y ​​es la dispensa de Bartolomé Rodríguez y Tomasa de Ulloa, que establece que Martín

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Hi Manny,

MaryLou Montagna says that Juana Navarro was the wife of Benito de Isla, and says she was buried in Teocaltiche on 28 Dec 1651. She also names the albaceas of her will were Antonio de Ruvalcaba and Miguel Martínez de Alarcón, vecinos de Teocaltiche. And, says it was unmicrofilmed, but the only way she would know this information is if her and Jaime Holcomb saw the record. I don't know if the record named her parents, but if it named the children like Magdalena de Lavezares and Maria de Isla y Moctezuma that alone would pretty much confirm the accuracy

Danny

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Amelie, perdóname, voy a escribir en inglés; si me entiendes pues nada, si no o si tienes alguna duda, pregúntame.

Thank you for responding, Danny, and I hope you’re doing well! We had a discussion about these same families about 7 years ago, and nothing was ever determined. I even asked this very question 2 years ago, and I was referred to that same burial record - which really offers very little information. Here’s what it says:

“Juana Navarro, wife of Benito de Isla, was buried in Teocaltiche on 28 Dec 1651. The albaceas of her will were Antonio de Ruvalcaba and Miguel Martínez de Alarcón, vecinos de Teocaltiche. This information was extracted from an unmicrofilmed death record in Teocaltiche.”

In “Letters,” Holcombe made no comment about this entry, he didn’t even offer an opinion; he didn’t say that Juana Navarro was the mother of Magdalena de Lavezaris and the Maria de Isla’s, nor did he attempt to link her to Martin Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma. Unless he said these

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Hi Manny,

Wow, it's been 7 years? I was just a kid. I can't believe it's been that long ago. I definitely agree with you that every tree out there comes from this little bit of information. And, that it's not much to go on. And, that everything out there is just speculation. I also don't really like the dates given as it doesn't leave a lot of time for the marriages and the children to fit in the time table. But, part of the theory makes sense to me, of course, with no proof. Do you think there's no actual record of a Juana Navarro married to a Benito de Isla or that there's just no proof that this Juana Navarro married to a Benito de Isla is connected to Petronila de Moctezuma?

The part of the theory that makes sense to me is that we know from various sources that Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Isla y Moctezuma and Maria de Isla are siblings. We know that they all are the children of Benito de Isla and that at least one of them descends from and uses the name Moctezuma and

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Hola Manny y Alonso, estoy en la misma postura que ustedes y por eso sigo buscando. Hasta donde sé, Petronila tuvo puras hijas monjas, 3 creo recordar. Juana parece ser la oveja descarriada y por lo tanto hay pocos documentos sobre de ella. No estoy en casa durante un par de semanas, pero en cuanto vuelva voy a ver a una experta en los hijos de Moctezuma. Espero tenga información sobre Juana y Petronila. Seguiré en contacto. Es muy interesante lo que ustedes comentan. Muchas gracias. Saludos

Familia Mercado- Tlaltenango, Zacatecas

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Hello,

I'm looking for any informacion about 2 couples that I found in a Land Record in Tlaltenango. Both couples are mentioned in the history of the same property

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In 2017 I posted:

“ Genealogist Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada. states that Pedro Carillo's wife is Maria Mercado de Vasquez, daughter of Capitan Gines Vasquez de Mercado, and this is the line that makes the most sense when taking in all the information and the timelines. Others place his wife as an illegitimate daughter of Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia and his sister in law but this line is doubtful. In both cases she descends from Conquistador Bernadino Vasquez de Tapia. But one line bypasses Capitan Gines Vasquez del Mercado.

The reason that people mix up the lines is that there is marriage between very close relatives. Capitan Gines Vasquez de Mercado's wife is his first cousin. Licienciado Gines Vasquez de Mercado's sister is married to Bernardino Vasquez de Tapia. To top it off, Bernardino is related to Licienciado Gines Vasquez de Mercado's wife, Ines Vasquez. What happens is that people got confused as to how they are related and then screwed up the line. So Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia

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I would be interested as well because I am a descendant of Ines Rangel de Acuna and Juan Mercado.

I know there are Acuna's and Mercado's in the Fresnillo census. Also I think Sebastian de Mercado and Ana de Santillian or relatives are in the marriage despensa book.

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Bernardo Carillo Dávila is the son of Pedro Carillo and Isabel Luna (Aka Delgadillo). Juana Mercado is listed as “expuesta en la casa De Sebastian Mercado”. Captain Sebastian Mercado raised Juana. I recall reading In another record that when Juana married that it was admitted that she was marrying her cousin. The surname was also written as Vasquez De Mercado.

I previously posted:

“Juana Mercado
Submitted by R.A.Ricci (not verified) on Wed, 2017-04-05 16:34.
Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado, son of Pedro Carillo D'avila and Maria Vasquez de Mercado takes in and raises a baby girl that is left on his "" doorstep". It is assumed that this baby girl is Sebastian's born out of wedlock. "Expuesta" is the word used. The Baby is Named Juana Vasquez de Mercado and when she Is of age, she marries a cousin. When she is married, it is acknowledged that she is family and not just adopted.”

Sebastian Vasquez De Mercado is married to Leonor Gonzalez.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000

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Susana, You have Ana Santillan as the widow of Sebastian where another record names her as Leonor Gonzalez. Leonor Gonzalez is also identified as his widow so I believe that Leonor and Ana are the same person. Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado’s mother’s ancestry is confusing because of the the Tangled web of Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia having three relationships and bis being uncle and father in law to Capitán Ginés. Also confusing the issue is that Ginés is a junior. So when the records say he descends from Ginés they could mean the senior Ginés who was famous in Spain for his charity. 

What we know for sure is that he descends from Bernardo Vasquez de Tapia and the senior Ginés Vasquez de Mercado. 

You can find the 2017 thread of this discussion here on nuestrosranchos: 

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23831 

It was admitted that Juana was biological family, and not just adopted. Juana was a first cousin once removed (segundo con tercer grado) of her spouse, Juana Mercado was a first

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Hello Rick,
I'm looking for Juana Mercado (wife of Capitan Bernardo Carrillo Davila)

You stated:
“Juana Mercado
Submitted by R.A.Ricci (not verified) on Wed, 2017-04-05 16:34.
Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado, son of Pedro Carillo D'avila and Maria Vasquez de Mercado takes in and raises a baby girl that is left on his "" doorstep". It is assumed that this baby girl is Sebastian's born out of wedlock. "Expuesta" is the word used. The Baby is Named Juana Vasquez de Mercado and when she Is of age, she marries a cousin. When she is married, it is acknowledged that she is family and not just adopted.”

What is the source for this information?. I read the dispensas from the previous post and I couldn't find it. (maybe I didn't read well).

thank you

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I have this if it helps you.wife of 9th Great Uncle of Chet Castanon.record shows that Juana Mercado was raised as a daughter el Capitan Sebastian Mercado..Ordenes  from la Sagrada Mitra 1615-1699dated 17 April 1681 in Guadalajarawitness Antonio de Condomasea Espanol from this city age 70 more or lesswho said  he has known Lorenso Carrillo Davila for 8 years more or lessLorenso Carrillo Davila clerico de menor ordenes from real de Fresnillo no age givenparents: el Capitan Bernardo Carrillo living and Juana Mercado deceased from Jerezpaternal grandparents: Pedro Carrillo and Ysabel de Luna both deceasedmat grn: Juana Mercado who was expuesta at the home of Capitan Sebastian Mercado who raised her.note? record mentions Lorenso Carrillo de Abila el moso?source: 168680 Ordenespage 7 Familysearch online.marriage dispensation 3rd degree igualTrunk.. Pedro Carrillo DavilaBernardo Carrillo Davila......Ana Carrillo Davila..1st Nicolasa Carrillo Davila...l...Petronila Felix de Arellano..Juan de

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Hi Rick,

I'm just reentering the site and found this which seems to be a very interesting discovery. Would you kindly provide me the information that could lead me to the document where Juana de Mercado is mentioned as expósita of Sebastian de Mercado and Sebastian de Mercado as son of Pedro Carrillo de Ávila and married to Leonor González?

I have Sebastian as the husband of Ana de Santillán and possibly, too, of María Beltrán de Acuña.

I also have Bernardo Carrillo de Ávila as the son of the third Pedro Carrillo de Ávila and the first Catalina Cid Caldera. The second Pedro Carrillo de Ávila was married to Juana de Pinedo and some of their children were born in the newly founded San Luis Potosí at the end of the XVI century. The first Pedro Carrillo de Ávila was married to Sancha de Mercado, or Sancha de Belmar, the natural daughter of Bernardino Vázquez de Tapia, the conqueror.

Thank you very much,
Héctor

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Rick,
I wonder if Pedro Carillo D'avila is related Maria Carillo Davila that married Nicolas Gonzalez de Isla, and mother of Sebastian Gonzalez de Isla. Sebastian married Maria Rodriguez in Tlaltenango in 1709 (Tlaltenango Matrimonios 1626-1723, Film 443967, Image 67). Nicolas (b ~1635) is from Nochistlan, son of Diego & Cecilia Vasquez de Sandoval, but I haven't found any other information about Nicolas' marriage or residence.

Any chance that you Maria is a sister of Pedro?

Thanks,
Arturo

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Hi Rudy,

Welcome to the group. I'm not familiar with the areas you mentioned but, hopefully, others are. If you need help with a specific person just let everyone know who you're stuck on and maybe they might be familiar with that person

Danny

introduction of the Vázquez del Mercado family

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Hello everyone, I am Ramón E Sánchez Vázquez del Mercado, I am 62 years old and for more than 10 years I have dedicated a lot of time to the genealogy referring to the surname Vázquez del Mercado, my

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I am also working on this line. It is my direct paternal ancestor. I have reached Juan Vasquez de Mercado cc Ines Rangel de Acuna but am stuck there. Glad to see someone else is working on the line too!

Alex Mercado

Fresnillo, Zacatecas ---Where Are The Records???

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Looking for my 4th GGrandfather Cipriano Puente born in Fresnillo in 1787 but the records don't go back that far for that location.

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It might be that the books are lost or destroyed, it might be that they haven’t yet been microfilmed or digitized (hopefully that’s the case). There are still the padrones:

1648: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-WSTN?i=416&cat=23…

1770: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-W3HV?i=204&cat=23…

1838: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K7-WSTR?i=430&cat=23…

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Diego Otxoa Garibai (aka Diego Ochoa-Garibay) married to Juana Nunez de Sotomayor

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1). Queen of England and France, Eleanor of Aquitane (b.abt1122), (d.1/Apr/1204) + Henry II Plantagenet, King of England
2). Princess of England, Leonore Plantagenet Queen consort of Castilla (b.13/Oct/1162, d.October/1214) + Alfonso VIII "el noble", King of Castilla
3). Berenguela I "la Grande", Queen of Castilla (d.8/Nov/1246) + Alfonso IX, "el Baboso" King of León and Galicia (b.15/Aug/1171), (d.24/Sep1230)
4). Alfonso de León, Señor de Molina y Mesa (b.1202) + Teresa Perez de Braganza [mistress]
Some genealogists name Urraca’s mother as Alfonso’s 3rd wife, Mayor Alfonso de Meneses.
5). Urraca Alfonso de Molina (b.abt 1233) + Garci Gomez de Carillo, señor de Ormasa
6). Garcia de Carillo.Señor de Ormasa y Mazuelo, (b. ca. 1266) + Elvira Alvarez de Osorio
7). Juana Garcia Carillo y Álvarez Osorio + Diego Gutierrez de Ceballos
8). Elvira Alvarez de Ceballos and Fernan Perez de Ayala, IX Sr. De Ayala
9). Juana Garcia de Ayala (Aka Fernández de Ayala aka de Ayala) married in

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Nuno Álvares Pereira conocido como “ San Nuno de Santa María” y también como “Protector de Portugal” es hermano de un ancestro de Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor, esposa De Diego Ochoa Garibay.

Leonor Alfonso de Guzmán, en su testamento fechado el 24 de abril de 1341, dejó la siguiente manda: Ytem mando a Sol Martinez que anda con mi fijo Don Johan, cinquenta maravedis.

The “testamento” was written in French and the meaning of the French words was that she was leaving the money for Sol who was "carrying" her son Juan's child.

So although Juan de la Cerda did not leave a Legal male heir, Sol Martinez did give him an illegitimate son named Martin Gonzalez de la Cerda. Juan de la Cerda is grandson to the king.

Martin Gonzalez de la Cerda married Violante Gonçalves Pereira who was the illegitimate daughter of Alvaro Gonçalves Pereiral . Iria’s brother, San Nuño de Santa María, is a famous saint, known as the “Protector de Portugal” , His baptismal name is Nuñez Álvarez Pereira.

Martin

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Hi Rick,

For your records, this is the 17 Apr 1660 IM for Juan Perez Garfias cc Maria Valdes, who were at 4/4, descending from Diego Ochoa Garibay and his half-sister, Magdalena Garibay:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG94-F6?mode=g&i=864&wc=3N…

Diego Ochoa Garibay-1-Magdalena de Garibay
Juan Bautista Garibay-2-Juan Ochoa Garibay
Geronima Garibay-3-Josefa Abrego
Juan Perez Garfias-4-Maria Valdes

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Hello Rick,

Would this be another son of Diego Ochoa Garibay cc Juana Núñez?

On 15 Aug 1613, baptized was Ana hija de Lazo ?? y de Cata Ximenes su muger, fueron sus padrinos Martin de Garibay y Juana Núñez su madre (right image).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GY3K-JP?mode=g&i=9&wc=3NTR…

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Thank you Manny for adding more pieces to the family tree. Your contributions have filled many holes in the rompedecabezas.

Thanks again and have a Happy Memorial Day weekend!
Rick A. Ricci

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Ricci,

First of all, thanks for all of your work, it is greatly appreciated. I started working on my ancestry last year and as of now I have been able to trace it back to 11 generations (Jalisco, Nueva Galicia, Espana). I'm a descendant of Martin de Ochoa y Garibay Ibarlucea ( 11th great grandfather). I see that you have some information on his mother's side (Juana Ibanez de Esteibar) but I was wondering if you knew Juan Otxoa's background.

My direct line:

Enrique Ochoa Cardenas nacido en Colima, Colima 1988
-Mi padre: Enrique Ochoa Casillas nacido en Pihuamo, Jalisco 1964
-Mi abuelo: Jesus Apolinario Ochoa Magana. Pihuamo, Jalisco 1923
-Bisabuelo: Enrique Ochoa Ochoa. Pihuamo, Jalisco 1882
-2do Bisabuelo: Jose Luis Apolinario Ochoa Urzua. Tecalitlan, Jalisco 1837
-3er Bisabuelo: Jose Francisco de Ochoa Mendoza . Tecalitlan, Jalisco 1789.
-4to Bisabuelo: Diego Eugenio de la Trinidad de Ochoa Padilla. Tamazula, Jalisco 1754.
-5to Bisabuelo: Joseph Francisco de Ochoa Garibay y

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Dear Enrique,

I have Juan Otxoa de Ybarlucea (born about 1490) (in Spanish:Juan Ochoa de Ibarlucea) as the son of Martin Otxoa Ybarlucea from Elorrio. Martin Otxoa Ybarlucea was an Escribano. It is most likely that Martin Ochoa is a converso. Though it is a high probability that Martin is Juan's father, it is not conclusive. I still need to do more research to say that it is 100% that he is his father.

In the Jewish culture, all men were required to read and write. It was a requirement that they be able read the Torah. Most non-Jewish people in those years were not literate. The Black Plague killed off many escribanos as they also became infected when they went to visit the sick to record their last testaments and their deaths. Since readers and writers were scarce, the more escribanos that died from the plague, the more Jews and conversos were recruited to take their place.

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Wow. Thanks again for the info Rick. I'll add this to my tree.

You're right about my 5th great grandfather's name: Joseph Francisco Ochoa y Oseguera, I copied his wife's name by mistake when I wrote the comment. Good catch.

I'm interested in reading your book once it comes out.

Happy Holidays!

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6to Bisabuelos : Maria Coria Villaseñor and Miguel Geronimo Padilla De La Torre

Miguel Geronimo Padilla De La Torre is the son of Manuel Padilla and Juana De la Torre. He was baptized on 23/Oct/1701
No grandparents listed. I have not been successful in finding more information on Manuel Padilla and Juana De La Torre.

christening: 29 January 1730 ZAPOTLAN EL GRANDE, CIUDAD GUZMAN, JALISCO, MEXICO
father: Miguel Padilla
mother: Maria De Coria

Miguel Geronimo de Padilla
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records
Miguel Geronimo Padilla Torre
Gender Male
Christening Date 23 Oct 1701
Christening Place Zapotlán el Grande, Ciudad Guzmán, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Manuel De Padilla
Mother's Name Juana De La Torre
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8V3-ZPX : 2 January 2015), Miguel Geronimo Padilla Torre, 23 Oct 1701; citing Ciudad Guzmán, Jalisco, Mexico, reference V 4 P 63; FHL microfilm 281,890.
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Dear Enrique,

-4to Bisabuelos: Diego Eugenio de la Trinidad de Ochoa Padilla. Tamazula, Jalisco 1754, and his second wife, Isabel Mendoza

It is believed by some people that Diego Eugenio de la Trinidad de Ochoa Padilla had two wives. The two wives had very similar names and more research needs to be done to discover whether they were actually two people or just one.

The two names are Maria Eulalia Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza and Maria Isabel Mendoza.

In the first town that they lived in the wife is named Eulalia Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza or Isabel Eulalia Hurtado de Mendoza. In the second town she is named Maria Isabel Mendoza or just Isabel Mendoza.

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Dear Enrique,

When I looked at your family tree I looked for other connections to my research. Even though you asked for Ochoa information, your family tree provided another piece to the Coria puzzle. Even though it was only a small piece to be added to the many pieces that I already have on the Coria family, it was a very welcome addition. Your small piece pushed me to go back and try again to solve the Coria dilemma. The pieces didn't seem to fit together until your added piece, plus a comment from Marcelina (Fabiola), helped me arrange the pieces so that it all makes sense.

Marcelina had stated that we should look at a couple of other places for more information. I had responded that I already had those sources. When I added your piece to the puzzle, I took another look at all the information that I had, and came up with a solution where all the pieces fit. I still need to revisit all the sources and make sure that there aren't any mistakes.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

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Hola a todos:

Mientras buscaba antecedentes de la familia Murguía localicé un libro sobre la familia Ochoa, tal vez les interese:

Está en PDF y se llama Un alacrán y dos ochoas. Genealogía de la familia Ochoa en Colima, visible en:

en www.culturacolima.gob.mx/imagenes/foroscolima/4/22pdf

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola de nuevo:

Buscando sobre la familia Murguía encontré otra referencia, en el libro Apuntes para la historia de Tangancícuaro de Martín Sámano, se incluye un testimonio de Juan Ochoa Garibay, página 37.
es. escribid.com/doc/23551798

Felicidades

Marcelina

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1. Charles II the bad Rey De Navarra and Juana De Francia o De Valois
2. Pierre de Nabarra Evreux, conde de Mortain (b. 31/Mar/1366, Évreux, Eure, Normandy, France; d. 29/July/1412) with Mistress Ana Martinez De Peralta (daughter of García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra) Pierre is married to another woman.
3. Pierre Perez De Peralta, señor De Aldonsilla, (known as “Mossen (Monsegneur) Pierre” [consejero real] Aka “Mosén Pierres de Peralta “el Viejo”. In 1416 he is named "ricohombre” in Navarra. Acting ambassador in París (1398, 1404, 1408 y 1409) in the conflict between the "armagnacs" y "borgoñones". Ambassador in Castilla (1412) and Aragón (1413 - 1414), ] ( He is often confused with his father, situation which repeats with his son “el menor or el joven”) [el mozo is more often reserved for “junior” and el menor or el joven is more often used for the third in line with similar names, ] He is married to Juana Ezpeleta y Garro, ( daughter of Ogier de Garo y Chatillon

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Someone asked me to explain the change in surnames in the Ochoa-Garibay pedigree.

If someone here in West Los Angeles asked where I live I would say Mar Vista. If I was in Northern California I would answer Los Angeles. if I was in another state, let's say a state clear across the country on the eastern coast, I would answer California. If I was in another country, I would answer the United States of America. This is how the surname sometimes changed from one generation to the next for Spaniards in the 15th and 16th centuries. The surnames didn't always change permanently. This was a naming pattern in these basque provinces. Some families kept their same surname even if they moved around. Some other families changed their surname often. In some families everyone changed their surname if one person changed his surname, in other families, every sibling may have a different surname.

Juan Martinez de Uncella de Mondragon de Aramayona de Alava
Ivan (Juan) son of Martin residing in the

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1). Martin Uncella ( born in the 1300's) is the father of

1.1) Ivan (Juan) Martinez Uncella (born about 1385) escribano de la villa (There is a story about him being banished by the king of Castilla that I go into more detail in my book). Ivan (Juan) is the father of

1.1.1). Martin Ibanez Uncella (born abt. 1430
Married to Juana Etxebarria (born abt 1435, daughter of Pedro Etxebarria, Señor del solar de Etxebarria. (Pedro is born on or before 1410 surname also later
spelled Echevarria.
They married and lived in Mondragon. Martin Ibanez Uncella and Juana Etxebarria are the parents of:

1.1.1.4). Teresa Ibanez de Uncella (born abt. 1465) married in Elorrio to Pedro Garcia de Esteibar ( born about 1465). Their marriage and life in Elorrio, Basque Country strongly influences the change in surname

Teresa Ibanez de Uncella and her husband Pedro Gartzia de Esteibar are the parents of:

1.1.1.4.1) Juana Ibanez de Esteibar (born abt. 1490) married to Juan Otxoa de Ybarlucea (born about

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Me gusta mucho este dicho que aparece en este articulo,
Un alacrán y dos ochoas.Genealogía de la familia Ochoa en Colima.por Enrique Ceballos Ramos.
Y veo que es muy cierto, por todos lados me encuentro a Ochoas y muchos de ellos parientes. Me interesaría conocer de estos Ochoas a partir de Gaspar Miguel Ochoa Padilla 9 enero 1764-X Originarios de Tamazula de Godiano Jalisco y mas puntual sobre los Ochoa Gutierrez de Tecalitlan, en tu libro llegaste a ellos?

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Hola Tere,

A mi tambien me gusta la frase del libro de Enrique Ceballos. En general hay parentesco entre los Ochoas de Colima y sur de Jalisco. Revise mi arbol genealogico y resulta que somos parientes lejanos. Mi 4to bisabuelo Diego Eugenio Ochoa Padilla (Tamazula 1754) era hermano mayor de Gazpar Miguel Ochoa Padilla. No tengo mucha informacion respecto a el, solo que caso con Maria Guadalupe de Orosco en 1784. Puedes ver el acta de matrimonio aqui: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCXB-BJQ

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Haciendo una investigación de los descendientes de los Ochoa Gutierrez me doy cuenta que hay muchos Ochoa casados con Ochoa, mi bisabuelo Rafael C Ochoa Gutierrez se caso con una sobrina Gertrudis Ochoa Ochoa hija de su media hermana y esta media hermana Maria de Jesus Ochoa de la Mora ella estaba estaba casada Ignacio Ochoa.... aparte hay otro monton mas. Después se caso Rafael O. G. con la media de hermana de su mujer o sea otra sobrina, pero ella era Castellanos Ochoa.
No pude abrir el enlace de "Lista de Pasajeros a indias" Entonces Martín fue el español que vino a America y no su hijo Diego? toda la familia dice que fue Diego y yo tenia la duda.

El libro ya salio? donde se consigue?

Saludos a los parientes lejanos y cercanos al corazón.

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Muchas gracias por tu información. Yo desciendo de
Diego Ochoa Garibay y Solis Y Juana Núñez de Sotomayor
Diego Ochoa Garibay Nuñez de Soto y Juana Bejines y Romero ( Zamora Mich)
Nicolas Ochoa Garibay y Benjines y María Jiménez Palomino y Luliana ( Zamora)
Joseph Ochoa Garibay Y Jimenez y Maria Ana Gutiérrez de Robles y Esqueda ( Zamora)
Bonifacio de Ochoa Garibay y Gutierrez y Antonia Oseguera y Maciel Betancourt.
1725 José Francisco de Sales de Ochoa Garibay y Oseguera, Juana Vicencia Guadalupe Padilla Coria (Tamazula)
1763 Gaspar Miguel Ochoa Garibay Padilla y Marcela Guadalupe Orozco Hurtado de Mendoza, (Tamazula - Cotija)

1791 Rafael Ochoa Orozco y 1-María del Carmen de la Mora Siordia (Tecalitlan)
Y 2-María del Rosario Gutiérrez Anguiano
1837 Rafel Cleofás Ochoa Gutierrez, y Gertrudis Ochoa y Ochoa ( Tecalitlan- Colima)
1867 Salvador Ochoa y Ochoa y Beatriz Montes de Oca Orozco ( Tecalitlan)
1916 Salvador Ochoa Montes de Oca y Matilde Magaña Quiroz

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I forgot to add that Francisca Ochoa Garibay y Nunez de Sotomayor had a second marriage to Alonso Romero Chavez. I descend from the first marriage many times. I also descend from Her brother Juan Ochoa. My wife also descends from the Ochoa Garibay family.

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Juan Otxoa de Ybarlucea (born about 1490) (in Spanish:Juan Ochoa de Ibarlucea) is most likely the son of Martin Otxoa Ybarlucea from Elorrio. Martin Otxoa Ybarlucea was an Escribano. I believe that he is the same escribano that works for the King. This would mean that Juan Otxoa Ybarluceas son was named after his grandfather. The grandfather is not found with the Garibai surname but the grandson Martin Otxoa Ybarlucea was also known as Machin Ochoa Garibay.

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By mistake in two places I named Maria solis as a parent with Diego when Juana Nunez de Sotomayor is what I meant to write

I wrote this mistake above where I list their children. Maria Solis is Diego Ochoa Garibays mother

I also made the same mistake when I mentioned that Diego and his wife may have more children then I am aware of. Again it should say Juana Nunez de Sotomayor and not Maria Solis.

Sorry for the errors,

Rick A Ricci

San Judas Tadeo, Villanueva Zacatecas

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Has anyone had any experience in researching records in The San Judas Tadeo church in Villanueva, Zacatecas? My wife and I are planning to visit there this summer.

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Hi, Just a followup on San Judas Tadeo Church, Villanueva; My in-laws and I visited the church 2 days ago. The church office is at the side of the church. The young lady at the desk was very pleasant and willing to look things up but the resources that they have on bautismos and matrimonios are limited. The church records are not digitized and apparently are not completely indexed. I had a couple of names and dates for matrimonios in the 1830s but she could not find it in the church index, even though I could see it online through Ancestry.com and familyserach.com copies of records. I think they would have let us see the originals if they could have found it in their index. Its worth a visit to see the church if nothing else. Beautiful to see on the inside.

The presidencia office of the municipio is on the opposite corner from the church. They have death records. We went there too late in the day to see anything though. It was on a Friday and I had to catch a flight out the next day

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Thanks for the update. Sounds like a great experience.

My in-laws live south of Villanueva. They can show me around and keep us out of trouble.

Introduction (Reynoso, Renteria, and Zermeno families)

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Hi All, I have been a member here since 2016, with Martin Renteria noted in the records of my wife, Judith Martinez, with her Martinez family very well established and recorded in the Coahuila and Nue

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Joseph Puentes

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Romero / Sanchez Family

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Hello everyone,

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Becky, Welcome to our group.

As noted with the previous comment, Jalpa is very difficult to gather older family info, as many records that are typically available in most parishes are just not available for Jalpa.

With that said, Apolonio Romero is the son of Antonio Romero and Benancia Cobarrubias. Whether this is your Apolonio Romero is still unclear.

There were not many Apolonio Romero's listed in all the available padrons for Jalpa. In the 1826 Padron, I believe all the smaller nearby areas (such as Santa Ysabel) were included in the Puesto of Acapepesco.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K8-KRZ3?i=83&cat=230…
On image 84 of 2000 are:
Antonio Romero - Listed first (Normally head of household)
Venancia Cobarrubias - Spouse
Likely children listed were:
Juana Maria Romero
Anna Maria Romero
Jose Apolonio Romero
Maria Josefa Romero
Maria Torivia Romero
The last two children were listed as P (Parbula), All others as A (Adult)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903

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Hello Becky,

Jalpa is a tough one, because of all of the holes in the church records. Doing a general search, those names appear nowhere else, so Apolonio and Maria Jesus were likely born and married in Jalpa. But as you know, there are no marriage records for Jalpa between 1838 and 1864 (marriage informations).

Have you looked at the padrones? These are censuses. They are not indexed, so you have to look through each page to find your names. They usually have head of household and the family group w/ages. I recommend going backwards in years: starting in 1885, look for Apolonio & Ma Jesus, then look at 1846, which was likely before they married - maybe you’ll find them living with their parents. “Apolonio Romero” is a rare name+surname combination, and he was probably the only one with this name in Jalpa during those years. Here are three padrones that he might appear in. There are earlier ones on the same roll:

1885
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K8-KTWB?i=550

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Possible origin of the Lopez Bueso family?

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Hola Primos,

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Recently, I found another clue as to Juan de Aguilar Solorzano's (cc Mariana Telles de Herrera & Luisa de Araiza Medina) parents. There's a very short document that explains the relationship between Buenaventura de Villasenor and Maria Petrona del Castillo:

Informacion matrimonial entre Buenaventura de Villasenor y Ortega y Maria Petrona del Castillo y de la Parra (Guadalajara, Jalisco - Enero 26, 1756

In it Buenaventura clearly states that his father and his future bride's father are 2nd cousins. Both of which are said to descend from Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano and Ana Ruiz Galindo! Like I said, it's a short document but there's enough information out there to figure out the parentesco (At least on the Villasenor side).

Starting with Buenaventura's side:

Tronco: Francisco de Aguilar Solorzano cc Ana Ruiz Galindo
Juan de Aguilar Solorzano cc Luisa de Araiza Medina
Juana de Aguilar Solorzano y Araiza cc Luis de Villasenor y Rico
Lorenzo de Villasenor y Aguilar cc Antonia de

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I went down the rabbit hole of investigating the roots of Mariana Gonzalez Lozano y Escobar. As I mentioned in my previous post, the dispensa for Lazaro Fernandez de Castaneda and Juana Alvarez de Castrejon y Covarrubias yielded the discovery that Mariana Gonzalez Lozano was the sister of Juana Gonzalez Lozano (Wife of Nicolas de Covarrubias y Velasco).

In looking at the children of Nicolas de Covarrubias and Juana Gonzalez Lozano (They baptized children in Ciudad Guzman and Sayula around the 1650s and 1660s), I found that there was a common couple that were the padrinos for some of their children. Specifically, Francisco Gonzalez Lozano & Isabel de Escobar (Who sometimes used the compound last name of Escobar de Munguia!) Munguia!!! While extremely tantalizing, it doesn't really prove that they were the parents of Mariana Gonzalez Lozano and Juana Gonzalez Lozano (Even if both of these sisters used Gonzalez Lozano and Escobar). Then I remembered that I found a dispensa a while back

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I found another dispensa that most likely involves the same Munguia/Gonzalez Lozano/Ruiz Galindo roots:

Dispensa matrimonial entre Pedro Michel y Ana de Covarrubias (Tecolotlan, Jalisco - Julio 7, 1719)

I don't know for sure as it doesn't really dive into the particulars as to what branches of the family were involved. However the dispensa is for "parentesco en cuarto grado de consanguinidad". Here's my attempt to flesh out the parentesco with help from the data I've been uncovering:

Starting with Pedro Michel's ancestry:

Tronco: Hernando de Munguia Villela cc Isabel de Escobar y Ruiz Galindo
Ana de Escobar y Munguia cc Andres Lopez Bueso
Nicolas Lopez Bueso y Munguia cc Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon
Maria de la Rosa Lopez de Bueso y Ocon cc Salvador Michel Ordones y Betancur
Pedro Michel Ordones y Bueso

Here's Ana de Covarrubias's ancestry:
Tronco: Hernando de Munguia Villela cc Isabel de Escobar y Ruiz Galindo
Isabel de Munguia Escobar cc Francisco Gonzalez Lozano
Maria Gonzalez

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Estimado Daniel:

Te felicito y te agradezco por tu investigación tan exhaustiva y los datos que de ella nos compartes. Has aportado una pista bastante reveladora sobre el origen de los López-Buezo, de la que muchos descendemos. Leí con interés el proceso inquisitorial abierto para el caso de Andrés López-Buezo, y su curiosa relación de los hechos.

En cuanto a algo que pueda aportar al debate, no es nuevo, pero sirve para volver a meditar a la luz de los descubrimientos.

Existe una dispensa, mencionada en el libro de Luz Montejano Hilton, que cita a Nicolás López-Buezo, hijo de Nicolás López-Buezo y Nicolasa Guerrero y Ocón, quien desea contraer nupcias con María de Isla y Araiza, hija de Fernando de Araiza y Antonia Téllez de Aguilar. Se encuentran relacionados por un parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual, por ser sus bisabuelas, hermanas legítimas. Fechada en Tecolotlán en 1681.

Sobre los citados Fernando de Araiza y Antonia Téllez de Aguilar no tengo más fuentes

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Buenos Dias Enrique,

Es un placer compartir con ustedes este nuevo descubrimiento. Gracias por tus comentarios y informacion. Me has dado mas pistas que puedo investigar para confirmar si los Lopez Bueso que nosotros conocemos en verdad estan relacionados con este Andres Lopez de Bueso. Ojala que pronto encontremos su testamento!

Gracias y Saludos Cordiales,

Daniel Serna Valencia

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Hola Daniel y Enrique!

Es un gusto saludarlos otra vez!

Daniel, es todo un hallazgo sobre Andres López Buezo. Busqué en Córdoba y en Antequera pero no hallé nada de que nos brinde más información por ahora.

Sin embargo, quería aportar una pista más sobre los ancestros de Antonia Téllez de Aguilar.
Existe una dispensa de Manuel Capacete y Sebastiana de Pamplona en Autlán. En la dispensa se dice que Juan de Aguilar tuvo a dos hijas, por lo cual el árbol queda así:
Tronco: Juan de Aguilar
Hermanas: Lucía de Aguilar y Antonia de Aguilar

Da. Lucía de Aguilar tuvo a María Vázquez del Alconcher; ésta tuvo a Gertrudis Capacete. Da. Gertrudis Capacete fue madre de Manuel Capacete

Da. Antonia de Aguilar tuvo a María de Isla Araiza y Telles de Aguilar (no es la misma que la esposa de Juan de Araiza y Medina). Pero es la misma que casó con Nicolás López Buezo, hijo a su vez de Nicolás López Buezo y Nicolasa Guerreo y Ocón. Ahora, María de Isa Araiza y Tellez de Aguilar tuvo a por lo menos

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Hello All,

It's been a while since I started this thread. For the past couple of years I've been collecting clues and I think I'm closer to establishing the link between Nicolas Lopez-Buezo (cc Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon) and his possible father Andres Lopez-Buezo (cc Ana de Munguia y Escobar).

While no document has yet surfaced that clearly shows that Nicolas is the son of Andres and Ana, there are some clues that help figure this out. The first clue is the dispensa that has already been mentioned before between Nicolas Lopez de Buezo y Guerrero and Maria de Araiza Isla y Aguilar:

Dispensa Matrimonial de Nicolas Lopez de Buezo y Maria de Araiza y Isla (Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico - 3 Agosto, 1681)

Unfortunately, the dispensa doesn't (clearly) state how the consanguinity applies to the bride and groom. It's only mentions that the "bisabuelas" of the bride and groom were sisters. If we look at the parents of those involved, they are:

Nicolas is the son of Nicolas Lopez de Buezo and

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Daniel,

I find you suggestions very interesting. I do have a question though. Reading both the Vita e Moribus of Juan de Araiza Medina Aguilar and the Capellania of Andres de Quevedo, I was not able to corroborate who the mother of Antonia Téllez de Aguilar Solórzano y Quevedo is. I did find her father, as Juan de Aguilar Solórzano and that he was married twice, once to Luisa de Araiza, daughter of Juan de Araiza Medina I, and Maria de Isla Lozano. His second wife is the woman I cannot identify. It also clearly gives her grandfather as Antonio de Quevedo. Interestingly this testimony is given by Francisco de Velasco y Zúñiga, who says he was married to a Luisa de Quevedo, and I think was probably the same one as was later married to Elvira de Guzmán.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DG9Z-Z8?i=290&cc=18745…
Can you point me to the image that gives the name of the mother of Antonia de (Telles) Aguilar (Solórzano) y Quevedo?

I may have more to contribute y once

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Thank you for your reply Sergio. Unfortunately, I don't have a link to a document that clearly states the name of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano's first wife. Witnesses in the capellania did confirm that Juan de Aguilar was married twice. It's inferred given that Juan and Mariana had a child named Pedro de Aguilar Solorzano who married twice (1st to Gertrudis de Araiza Medina and second to Ana Diaz de Corona). Aside from that no other clue/document states Mariana's name as Juan's first wife.

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Daniel,

I am continuing to try to trace these lines with you and confirm what you have found by comparing to the primary sources I have.

The link you give for the Vita e Moribus of Nicolás de Aguilar Solórzano seems like is the same one for the Info Matrimonial for Francisco de Aguilar listed above. Could you please repost the link only for the Vita e Moribus?

I also wanted to thank you, because I had been searching for the ordination papers of Lic. Juan de Araiza Medina y Aguilar, and you did! He was a priest in the 1690s in Autlan and I had been trying to figure out how he fit into the picture to my ancestor Juan de Araiza y Medina Guzmán (?-1665). Interestingly his parents Fernando/Hernando de Araiza y Medina Lozano and Antonia Telles de Aguilar Solórzano y Quevedo had a first son Juan who died in infancy. But your vita y moribus proves they had two different Juans. This is the first

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68J3-H69?i=183&wc=6809…

But

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Woops, looks like a bad copy and paste. Here's the link to the information for Br. Nicolas de Aguilar Solorzano: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DVBD-R?i=301&wc=3JWL-YWG%3A171935001%2C171974101%2C179907901%3Fcc%3D1874591&cc=1874591

I'm glad you found the Moribus et Vita for el Lic. Juan de Araiza Medina y Aguilar useful. It was not easy to track down. I had to go through some of the books by hand as his name wasn't indexed properly in the Guadalajara Dispensas.

Regards,

Daniel

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Daniel,

Very quick question(before I try to post some more clues on the Ruiz Galindo line). On image 306 of the Vita e Moribus of Nicolás de Aguilar Solórzano, it gives his paternal grandfather as Cap. Juan de Aguilar Solórzano from the city of Colima. But the third witness also says that he knew "Fulano Galindo" maternal grandfather of Nicolás. Do you think this was his actual name, or more likely a fill-in name, but that his last name was Galindo? In modern Spanish, people will say "conocí a fulano de tal" which in English would be equivalent to "I knew so and so." Thoughts?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DVBZ-W?i=305&wc=3JWL-Y…

Thanks!

Sergio

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Hello Sergio,

I think the “fulano” most likely referred to someone whose last name was Galindo but they couldn’t remember the first/full name.

Regards,

Daniel

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Dear Daniel,
I can contribute a few things the Ruiz Galindo puzzle. There (as usual) appear to be multiple people (at least 3) with the same name around the same time.
In 1691 a Juan Ruiz Galindo (C) presented a marriage request along with his future father in Law Nicolás Caro y Rentería to marry Caro´s daughter María Caro y Rentería.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-DWPV-D?i=128&cat=…

The interesting thing about this, is that I already had both of them in my tree and had found their marriage, but could not prove who the parents were. Now we know. This document gives this Juan Ruiz Galindo’s parents as Antonio Ruiz Galindo and Sebastiana de la Campa, from Zapotitlán. I did not know about this older couple. Juan Ruiz Galindo (C ) also gives his age as 26, which places his birth around 1665. Unfortunately, it looks like Zapotitlán does not have older records, so that I likely a dead end wihtou other documents housed in Guadalajara (which is always

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Thank you very much for sharing this information Sergio. It does indeed help to untangle some of the Ruiz Galindo web. We're missing a lot of early information on this family. There certainly is a lack of records for Zapotitlan, Tuxcacuesco, Sayula, etc. which is where they appear to have lived and baptized their children.

I have found a couple of interesting tidbits I'd like to share:

There was a couple in Autlan that baptized their children around the 1660s and 1670s: Juan Tello de Grajeda (Tello de Sandoval y Grajeda) cc Mariana Corona (who sometimes used the surname of Ruiz de Castro). The parents of Mariana appear to be Diego Gonzalez de Corona cc Mariana Ruiz Galindo. The "Castro" is certainly interesting and might be a clue as to the earlier roots of the Ruiz Galindo family.

I also found an index listing pertaining to a Santo Oficio document where a person by the name of "Luis Galindo de Escobar" was interviewed by the Santo Oficio in Sayula on 11/27/1624:

https://www

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ok the website has needed to be updated for a few years now as the Drupal is way out of date.

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Make sure to include a return address so I can return your letter if I don't have 30 people donate

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I, too, would like to know if you received enough donations? This website has been so valuable to expanding my knowledge about my family, I would hate to think it ceases to exist because donations weren't forthcoming. Elisa

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Joseph,

I noticed the date on your request as 9-21-2021. Is this another request for donations?

Count me again Joseph if it is.

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Hello!

My name is Paula (Smiley) Flores and I thank you for accepting me into this group/forum. While I've been researching off and on for many years, I'm always looking for more information.

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Hello Paula (or do you prefer “Smiley”?)

Welcome to the group! Quite a few of us have families from the Nochistlan area (though mine are all pre-1700). I hope we can help you break down any brick walls that have hampered you!

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Necesito ayuda en estas lineas: Arce y Castilla, Sanchez de Orduna, Ruiz de Abendano y Rivera, Alfonso y Sosa-Castilla

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Hola Daniel:

Sobre la familia Arce son de Tepetitlán, Hidalgo. Pero realmente no he estudiado esa genealogía.

Doña María de Sosa y Castilla desciende del gobernador de las Islas Canarias, Don Lope de Sosa, también desciende de la casa real de Castilla.

Hay un genealogista llamado Jesús Mendoza Muñoz que ha estudiado la migración de las familias conquistadoras de la Sierra Gorda de Querétaro. En su libro La fundación de Peñamiller en la Sierra Gorda de Querétaro. Tiene al final un capítulo sobre las familias que obtuvieron más territorios.

1. Capitán Diego Sánchez de Orduña se casó con Doña María de Pinto y Cuéllar, fueron padres de:
2. Capitán Juan (Sánchez) de Orduña casado con doña Leonor Sosa y Castilla. Tenía 126 sitios de estancia para ganado, provenientes de la herencia de un pariente. Era regidor de la ciudad de México

María de Orduña Sosa y Castilla casó con Íñigo de Guevara Altamirano (enfermizo) y al morir éste (al parecer sin sucesión)se volvió a casar con el maestre

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Spanish Surname with del vs. Del

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Hello, I'm researching my grandmother's (maternal) line in the mid 1700s in SLP,and I just came across a clue of an additional name: Sacramento.

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In the case of this ancestor, “Sacramento” is part of her given name, “Maria Prudencia del Sacramento,” which is likely a name of one of the manifestations of the Virgin. So, the “d” in “del” is not capitalized. Her surname is “Rangel.”

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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